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I tried out this infobox on Angelbachtal. I see a couple minor problems.
The German version of this template assigns all articles to "Kategorie: Ort in {Bundesland}", while the English wiki has three different categories to cover this: "Category: Cities/Towns/Villages in (state)" even though there is no clear delination between such locations in Germany. It is reasonably easy to automatically assign entires to these categories, but what should be the rationale for assignment?
Apart from teething problems regarding the new template, this issue is perhaps the most important thing that needs to be addressed before widespread use of this template can commence. - 52 Pickup 13:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
This, according to the German wiki, qualifies a town to be known as a de:Großstadt, which is considered to be the closest German word that describes "city" in English (in terms of differentiating it from a town). Meanwhile, List of cities in Germany follows its German equivalent ( de:Liste der Städte in Deutschland) and has a different list (separate to those categorised) and says:"There is no legal distinction between towns and cities in Germany. This category contains articles about settlements with more than 100,000 inhabitants. Smaller German settlements are in the Towns in Germany category."
This, I imagine, includes all locations with more than 100,000 inhabitants plus many others (see also Town#Germany).EN:"Only municipalities with independent administration and that have the Stadtrecht (city rights) are included."
DE:"Die Liste der Städte in Deutschland enthält eine vollständige Auflistung aller 2075 Städte in Deutschland in alphabetischer Reihenfolge (Stand: 27. November 2006). Es sind nur die (verwaltungsrechtlich selbständigen) Gemeinden aufgeführt, die das Stadtrecht besitzen. Auf die einzelnen Bundesländer entfallen folgende Anzahlen:"
I guess the categories are not perfect. See for instance Category:Cities by country, Category:Towns by country, Category:Municipalities by country, and the not so densely populated Category:Villages in Germany. I think it's better to disable automatic categorisation for now. Technically, if we use "town" as translation for "Stadt", and "city" for "Großstadt", the List of cities in Germany should be renamed List of towns in Germany. And is there a good translation for "Ortsteil" and "Stadtteil"? I see all kinds of translations, including the wonderful "city-part". Markussep 09:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
The trouble with "district" is that it's used for Kreise. Maybe "borough" is better. Or "village", if it's a separate, rural settlement. I wouldn't call Rheydt a village. So we get the following system then:
Maybe we should merge some of these categories, but we can discuss that on the project page later. Markussep 10:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh my God! Now you know how a German feels when he is trying to understand the britsh system(s) of local government! I will try to explain the German system: There are three "Gebietskörperschaften" (maybe to translate best with: area muncipalities, if that makes any sense to you) plus the EU. So the hierachy is like this:
"1. EU " 2. The Federal Republik of Germany 3.The (16) Federal States (including Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen) 4. municipalities (including all districts, cities (without Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen(without Bremerhaven with is a city of its own in the Federal State Bremen.), towns and municipalities.
In NRW the political subdivisions are: 1. The Federal State (Bundesland) with its elected Parliament and a Primeminister and several Ministers. 2. The Regierungsbezirke (supervising authorities) (no elected council) with a "Regierungspräsident" as its chiefexecutive. Supervising all districts, cities, towns and municipalities in its area. They are named after the town or city in which they are based, like Arnsberg (supervising the eastern Ruhr Area and the Sauerland with Dortmund, Hamm, Hagen, District Unna ...etc.)or Münster. 3.
They are formed by several independant towns and/or municipalities.
Both cities and districts have their own registration plates. Ex.: HAM for Hamm (HAM-M 333) and UN for Unna (UN-X 111)towns and municipalities in the district Unna are using the UN opn the reg-plates.
4. Towns and municipalities: They have elected councils with a mayor as its head. In NRW and most of the other Federal States they are part of a district like Unna (the district council is based in the town Unna and so the ditrict (Kreis) is named after it.) because the are to small to attend to all their duties alone, like waste management or Schools etc.. 5. The cities and some towns and municipalities have Bezirke with their own elected councils (Bezirksvertretungen).The councils have a Bezirksvorsteher (some kind of nearly a mayor, haven't found a Translation) In case of the city Hamm there are seven of them, Hamm, Bockum-Hövel, Heessen (former towns), Rhynern, Uentrop, Herringen and Pelkum (former municipalities). These smaller local councils are for advising the town- or citycouncils and the Oberbürgermeister.
The townrights (Stadtrechte) means in the old style the right to build citywalls and having their own jugdement and jugdes, sometimes even to mint and so on. In the modern political system of Germany, they lost their function.
This means you can get the title by asking for it, in case your municipality has a bit of an urban charakter. With the title town (Stadt) comes nothing it is just the title.
The status "Großstadt" City is changing the duties of the former town. A city has to attend to all duties of a district by itself.
"Ortsteil/Stadtteil" both are not political subdivisions they're only parts of a town or city (Stadtteil) or a municipality. Like Hövel a part of the Bezirk (maybe quarter?)Bockum-Hövel in the city Hamm.
"Ort" means place or site or town or village, even city etc. The german category (Ort in Bundesland) just gives a hint in which Federal State the town or what ever is located it doesn't categorize the political sub division!
Village means 10 or more houses (Bavarian Law). Kleinstadt ("small sized" town) means more than 5000 and less than 20.000 inhabitants. Mittelstadt ("medium sized" town) means more than 20.000 and less than 100.000 inhabitants. Großstadt ("City") more than 100.000 inhabitants. (81 in Germany by 2005) Millionenstadt ("City") with more than 1.000.000 inhabitants. (Berlin, Hamburg, München, sometimes Köln)sometimes also called Metropole.
amtsfreie Gemeinden = kreisfreise Städte (word by word: district free towns) and in some states even smaller towns are free of beeing part of a district.
amtsangehörige Gemeinden/Städte = municipalities or towns which are part of a district.
I hope that will help you, with this problem so far. You can find me here-- Gabriel-Royce 21:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC) German native!
Hello, I've just seen it. Which categories do we need here? I think it would be okay just to use the following system:
Orte (maybe Settlement or Places as translation? Any other ideas?) in Germany
Subs: Orte in NRW and so on. => Sub:Orte in NRW
SubSubs: Cities in NRW, Towns in NRW, Municipalities in NRW, Ortsteile in NRW
Berlin Hamburg and Bremen should be combined with neighbouring States like Brandenburg and Berlin => Subcat: Orte in Brandenburg and Berlin.
Municipalties could include Sub Sub Subcategories for Amt, Samtgemeiden and so on.
Districts should stay for themselves as Category Districts in Ger. Subs for the Fed. States.
If there are Question, please ask on my talk page, because I'm a bit busy with my Exams in Forestry, and only briefly passing by until 13. February. -- Gabriel-Royce 23:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Template talk:Infobox Town DE#Information deliberately left out of this template shows a list of things that Infobox Town DE does not include, some of these things are currently displayed by this template. Some of these fields are not shown in the German one either, but contain the information as metadata (that is, you can fill in the fields but that data is not displayed). At the moment, all fields are visible because the template is still in its early days, but which ones are not worth displaying here? - 52 Pickup 21:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
It is: Bürgermeister oder Oberbürgermeister oder Landrat (male version) or Bürgermeisterin, Oberbürgermeisterin oder Landrätin (female). You can write it in German as : Bürgermeister/in and so on as male and female Version written in one or use the generic masculinum (generisches Maskulinum) with is just the male version of the word. (sometimes considered to be discourteous)-- Gabriel-Royce 22:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Ups, wie peinlich! Naja, kommt vor!-- Gabriel-Royce 16:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have also tried this info box on Dossenheim, which is nearly complete. imars 07:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The template does not work if you add numbers with the format X,XXX. Why? Bye and good work. -- Attilios 13:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Why aren't the coordinates in the article header any more? It doesn't make sense to include them a second time only to solve that problem. In case you don't see the problem, see this change and the one before and after. -- 32X 17:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Adding template to Edingen-Neckarhausen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Imars ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
I find it ridiculous that one should work here with all these German words. How users can tackle them? :Others
-- Attilios 12:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I added the template to Eppelheim and Epfenbach. Is it useful for me to announce where I have used this template since it is still under construction? imars 07:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I am having trouble with the graphic for the Wappen for Gaiberg. It works in the German info box. I can click on the placeholder for the image. But the image will not display. Could this be an error with the infobox? imars 11:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I repeat, we should find a way to show inhabitants (say, more than 1,000) in the correct way specified at WP:Manual of Style. Solution would be to add a new field for density, taking the value from the de.wikipedia. Also, headers shouldn't be in capitals. Bye, and good work. -- Attilios 11:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The extensive discussion above on auto-categorising this template doesn't seems to have settled the vexed question of what to do with the "stadt"s, but would there by any objection to having it feed into a single kreis-level category for each such? (We already have some of these, e.g. ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Marburg-Biedenkopf. Alai 01:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the use of the parameter "Art" is making mediawiki think the template {{ Art}} is being transcluded onto articles. [1]. This was noticed doing some image maintenance. I can fix it if you want, but I don't know what parameter people would prefer. :) - cohesion 03:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
To reduce the amount of external links within articles, the pop_source field is being phased out by pop_ref. While pop_source required just a weblink, pop_ref requires full referencing (including ref tags). For an example, see Cologne. When adding data in this field, it is also necessary to make sure that the page has a references section.
The pop_source variable has now been disabled and any articles still using it have been placed into this category - Category:Germany articles requiring maintenance under section "I". - 52 Pickup 12:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to change from using {{ coor d}} to using {{ coord}}. The latter has a display property, which can be display=inline, display=title or display=inline,title. "inline" would replace the former template literally, but using both values also displays the coordinates in the title bar. Could someone more familiar with the intricacies of this template oblige, please? Andy Mabbett 17:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I just added the infobox to Marsberg, partially to try it, partially as incentive to do something about the stub, but it's giving me Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "�" in the elevation section, and I can't figure out why. There are no "?"'s, and no unknown sections, so... what's causing it? How do I fix it?
And while I'm at it, can anyone check the two sets of coordinates (one's commented out) in Obermarsberg to see which are more accurate? - Bbik 00:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at the page for Delmenhorst. The location map doesn't work properly. -- Valentinian T / C 11:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted Gemeinde now, but the problem will be there again in case someone types in the Art:Gemeinde. Is it a general problem or just in that specific article?-- Gabriel-Royce 12:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
This conversation was originaly held on my talk page. The Problem is unsolved. Any ideas?-- Gabriel-Royce 08:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
One problem I experienced is the automatic linking of personal names. If mayor Klaus Müller is linked to somebody completely different with the same name, that's a bit of a problem. 84.141.172.250 ( talk) 18:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I have just set the geographical co-ordinates to display both within the infobox and on the title bar. This would have been done ages ago, but the coord template was having problems. Only when co-ordinates are in the title bar will they be picked up by other programs such as Google Earth. It doesn't work if the co-ordinates are placed within the article. Not sure how long until the Wikipedia layer on Google Earth refreshes itself, but soon all entries using this infobox will be displayed on Google Earth.
There is one problem. Various articles have manually added a separate co-ordinates template. This causes an ugly overlap at the title bar. So could you please delete these extra templates as you find them. Thanks. - 52 Pickup 18:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi 52 Pickup, I have a request for the infobox. Could you make the infobox link directly to the right Samtgemeinde, Amt, Verbandsgemeinde, Verwaltungsgemeinschaft etc.? The German infobox uses the "bare" Amt etc. name, e.g. |Verwaltungsgemeinschaft = Elbe-Heide, and links to standard article titles like [[Verwaltungsgemeinschaft Elbe-Heide]]. We have a slightly different standard, we use the "bare" name if it's not ambiguous, and titles like Loreley (Verbandsgemeinde) if it's ambiguous. That would save us a lot of editing. Thanks, Markussep Talk 09:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it intentional, that I have to place a manual ref-tag in pop_ref? Agathoclea 09:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Greetings from WikiProject Disambiguation! Currently, [[ urban]] is one of the words we are working on. There are a large number of hits for German cities which I want to link to [[ urban area]], but I can't trace down exactly where the link occurs. It appears to be in {{ Infobox German Location}}, but I can't find exactly where. I made an attempted fix, but the effect was quite counterintuitive. Could sumbuddy help me out here? — Randall Bart (talk) 14:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
17-September-2007: I am setting the default "mark=" image file for the pointer as the (redundant) copy, Image:Red_pog2.svg (identical to the original pointer), to bypass the ongoing image-cache problems during September 15-17, 2007. Only the original red-dot image ( Image:Red_pog.svg) has been disappearing at size 8x8 pixels: the blue dot ( Image:Blue_pog.svg) and redundant red-dot "Red_pog2.svg" have been reliable when 8x8 pixels. - Wikid77 11:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: I am working on a new version of Infobox_German_Location which allows English parameter names for the German parameters (such as "district" same as "Kreis" or "mayor" same as "Bürgermeister"). The English names also match those used in Template:Infobox_Town_DE to allow copy-paste of those infobox lines into Infobox_German_Location. The new version is currently being tested before release. - Wikid77 04:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: Many templates, such as Infobox_German_Location, have been written in the typical one-liner style, with much of the source code written as a long string of nested "{{..}}" expressions, rather than as indented source code. The effect of the one-liner coding has been rambling expressions:
However, it is possible to write the template code in a more structured, indented style, to align if-statements and others, such as when checking to display the mayor's name:
{{#ifexist: {{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|}}}}}} |<!--then-wikilink-->[[{{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|}}} }}}]] |<!--else-nolink-->{{ #ifeq:{{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|<noinclude>x</noinclude>}}}}}}|x |<!--then-say-text-->{{{Bürgermeister or mayor}}} |<!--else-show-name-->{{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|}}} }}} }}<!--endifeq--> }}<!--endifexist-->
Decades of computer-language design has shown that coding 2 nested if-statements as indented, across 8 lines, is preferable to a compact "one-liner" string that wraps onto only 3 lines of text. Although the source code becomes over twice as long, it is easier for others to read and modify, for inserting more if-statements within the indented structure. Many people writing the one-liner templates, as a wrapped string of source code, know full well how to write structured, indented source code, but there has been a wiki sub-culture of one-liner coding that has dominated the writing of templates. It takes time to re-write and clarify all that condensed one-liner coding.
The current coding of template Infobox_German_Location has involved many one-liner sections; however, the template code can be re-written to use the more structured, indented-code style, over time. - Wikid77 04:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: The template code can be indented onto separate lines; however, the double-brace "{{" typically cannot be indented past column 1 on a line, so the "#if
" or "#ifeq
" must be indented apart from the "{{" double-brace. Leaving the double-brace at the end of the previous line might be the easiest split:
<!--previous line--> {{ #ifexpr: {{{Az}}} < {{{Bz}}} |<!--then-show--> Yes, Az lower than Bz={{{Bz}}}. |<!--else-show--> No, Az NOT lower than Bz. }}<!--endifexpr-->
In the above example, the double-brace "{{" is left on the previous line, separated from the indented "#ifexpr
" on the subsequent line. Indenting a double-brace can cause the whole line to be treated as a quote-box, as follows:
{{#ifexpr: {{{A}}}={{{B}}} <!--this indented line became this box-->
Since an indented double-brace might be treated as a quote-box, the double-brace could be left on the previous line, split from the indented "#ifexpr" line. - Wikid77 04:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: Okay, yes, working on the wiki templates can be very difficult. Detailed templates, such as the Infobox_German_Location, involve so many details that they rarely get properly tested and restructured for logical sequence, compared to the work needed to develop professional software. In a sense, these templates would not have been available at this time, due to the many man-hours needed for the full complex development, so these are "impossible templates" which wouldn't even exist now, except at this current level of "stub" or " prototyping" software. Please encourage experienced computer programmers to help develop these templates, because the MediaWiki language is only a beta-level technology, and disciplined designers are needed to engineer better templates patched for that beta-level language. Thanks. - Wikid77 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that some districts in Schleswig-Holstein do not get an automatic link in the infobox, see for instance Heide (district Dithmarschen), Westerland, Germany (Nordfriesland), Eutin (Ostholstein), Rendsburg (Rendsburg-Eckernförde), Schleswig, Schleswig-Holstein (Schleswig-Flensburg), Bad Segeberg (Segeberg), Itzehoe (Steinburg) and Bad Oldesloe (Stormarn). Any idea why that is, and how to fix it? Markussep Talk 16:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Same for the Oder-Spree district in Brandenburg, see Wiesenau, Marburg-Biedenkopf in Hesse (e.g. Marburg) and Vulkaneifel in Rhineland-Palatinate ( Daun, Germany). I see a pattern: they're all districts without " (district)" in the page name. Markussep Talk 11:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Look at Worms, Germany: it takes up more than two-thirds of the width of the page! I don't know how to fix this, but I'm sure the template could be thinner and still contain all the same information. Does anyone know how to change it? Terraxos 15:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
26-Oct-2007: I fixed the template coding bug (from 21Oct2007) that put an extra "{{{width" prefix at the top of the code. It is important to NOT modify Template:Infobox_German_Location as the live version, without prior testing in a separate copy. For editing, please create (edit) a copy as "User:XXX/Template:Infobox_German_Location" and test against your username "XXX" (in edit-preview mode, without saving live articles during testing). The live template is used in nearly 3,000 articles, with 500 more expected. - Wikid77 11:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
26-Oct-2007: Some wiki-servers might be running an older version of the template "Infobox_German_Location" perhaps as a cached file. Regardless of whatever cache files, the current templates can be accessed by editing an article (unchanged) and clicking Show-Preview. The wiki "Show Preview" option reveals how the stored article will appear once all cache-files and wiki-servers are updated to reflect the current changes. I realize the bizarre wide-screen infoboxes (spanning 2/3 of screen) are irritating, but they seem to be temporary leftovers which should go away soon. Again, edit a file (without changing) and click bottom "Show Preview" to see how an article would look after Wikipedia stabilizes. That's the only sanity I can recommend with these bizarre cache-file, multi-server confusions. - Wikid77 22:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
There was a change some time ago which caused a COA of "kein" to be displayed as unknown rather than as none. With the current flurry of activity on the template it might be worth looking at. Agathoclea 21:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The automatic categorization goes wrong somehow, see for instance Lörrach, and Category:Municipalities in for a collection of problem articles. It seems the template has a problem with square brackets around the state name, see for instance this diff. Markussep Talk 14:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I just had to go to German parameters to fix a faulty density in Füssen. Is this a general issue? Agathoclea ( talk) 12:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a writeup already about which template to use if the place is not a municipality like Rueckers? Agathoclea ( talk) 10:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
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Please use default values for coordinate values, as {{
coord}} displays an error with empty arguments. This is seen on many articles, e.g.
Dillenburg, where lat_sec and lon_sec are empty or missing. I suggest:
<!-- ----------------------------------- Generate "Coord" function -->{{#if: {{{lat_deg|<noinclude>x</noinclude>}}} | {{Coord|{{{lat_deg|}}}|{{{lat_min|}}}|{{{lat_sec|}}}|N|{{{lon_deg|}}}|{{{lon_min|}}}|{{{lon_sec|}}}|E |display=title |type:{{
changed to:
<!-- ----------------------------------- Generate "Coord" function -->{{#if: {{{lat_deg|<noinclude>x</noinclude>}}} | {{Coord|{{{lat_deg|51}}}|{{{lat_min|00}}}|{{{lat_sec|00}}}|N|{{{lon_deg|9}}}|{{{lon_min|00}}}|{{{lon_sec|00}}}|E |display=title |type:{{
51°N,9°E are the coordinates on the Germany article, Thanks – Leo Laursen – ☏ ⌘ 10:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Please consider changing the "European city infobox templates" category to "German subdivision infobox templates", for finer-grain specification. -- Adoniscik( t, c) 04:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
As can be seen above in section #One-liner coding, this template seems to automatically link the name of the mayor if there happens to be an article of that name. The apparent idea is
Now it seems to me that these three goals are impossible to fulfill at the same time:
So to me it seems better to leave the decision whether to create a link or not up to the editor. Or, if at en we really consider all mayors of any town notable, the template should link the mayor no matter if the article exists. Or is there anything I haven't noticed? Salutes, -- dealerof salvation 05:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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I think an optional field for demonyms would be expedient. Demonyms are normally created with the -er suffix but cities like Saarbrücken, Hannover, Emden, Bremen or Dresden have irregular or uncertain demonyms and therefore displaying them in such cases would be an advantage. Geo-Loge ( talk) 11:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:FLAGS, I was bold and removed the little Germany flag icon as it didn't seem to add anything not already implied by the word Germany. Feel free to disagree and to bring your encyclopedic reasons why we need the flag here. -- John ( talk) 21:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Parameter "population as of" is displayed as e.g. 31/12/2006, which is incompatible with WP:DATE. GregorB ( talk) 13:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
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Please remove class="adr"
from:
--> class="infobox geography vcard" style="width:23em; text-align:left;"
|- class="adr"
as it's redundant and breaks the hCard microformat. Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I think, this map is better than location map.svg the one in use. Would you like to change it? SteMicha ( talk) 17:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to fix the following error in this template.
Where it prints out the thing that says "Elevation 500-600", that is what it prints, with a hyphen, instead of 500–600, with a correct ndash. Can someone do that? Michael Hardy ( talk) 05:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
246 #if: {{{elevationmax|}}} 247 |<!--then "-" max-->-{{formatnum:{{{elevationmax}}}}} m ({{ ^ 248 formatnum:{{#expr: 0{{{Höhe|{{{elevation|}}}}}}*3.281 round 0}}}}-{{ ^
Michael Bednarek ( talk) 07:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.
I've done this edit, and it worked for the elevation in feet, but the one in meters still has a stubby little hyphen instead of an ndash. Michael Hardy ( talk) 14:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Bingo. Details matter..... Michael Hardy ( talk) 19:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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The parameter year places the location (for example,
Wiesbaden and
Mainz) into the non-existant category "Settlements established in year", rather than "Year establishments". Can this be repaired?--
Texas Whitt (
talk)
20:01, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
This is English Wikipedia, although this template is for German-related articles, the parameters should still be defined internally in English shouldn't they? -- 212.44.61.185 ( talk) 11:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Markup like {{lang|de|Baden-Württemberg}}
causes an "Invalid state: "Baden-Württemberg" error (
example). Can this be fixced?
Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing);
Andy's talk;
Andy's edits
21:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
lang=""
and XHTML xml:lang
attributes it uses, exist?|native_name
and |native_name_lang
; the latter solely to apply the relevant HTML attributes.
Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing);
Andy's talk;
Andy's edits
13:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Can we fix this? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Lately, the location map has not been working. However, when doing a preview, it shows up. Any ideas?-- CSvBibra ( talk) 22:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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#time:d/m/Y
should be changed to
#time:j F Y
for compliance with WP:DATE. GregorB ( talk) 21:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if you would think about changing the current layout of the box in coordination with most of the othe rinfoboxes to have a larger map underneath the coat of arms. The current layout renders it that the map is so small it is the same size as the coat of arms which on most wikipedia settlements is at least 200 px while the coat of arms often well under 100 px. Most of the time the map is four times larger at least than the coat of arms, not the same size. For instance on Hockenheim you'd expect the map to be roughly the same size as a the photograph. Add to the map a thick locator pin that we currently have rather than the thinner pin used on the French communes map for instance and it makes the scale of the map awkward especially as we now have much higher quality pin maps. How about flags and coat of arms go side by side on top and you display a decent sized map underneath as with most other countries on here. As for as I can see it is only a hadnful of countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland and perhaps Norway that insist on keeping the coat of arms sized minitature locator map. Any thoughts? Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Anything from between 200px-270px would look a great deal better in my view. WHat I would do is adjust the box so the coat of arms goes under the photograph at a smaller px and doesn't have its own sectio,n just a label Coat of arms and then you put the location map underneath at around 270px in a section, excatly the same size as the photo and possibly get it to annetate to pin on the map like it does on most places. The result would be a map and photo alignment with France which works very well I think at 270px. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC) Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Here is an example. Note I am not propsing to use infobox settlement of course, just to change the proportions of the map vs coat of arms like in the example given Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
220 is good for me too. How do we make the change? Without a doubt 100x120px for a pin map is painfully small. It shouldn't really be the same size as the coat of arms!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
To request a change, just put {{ editprotected}} here with exact details of the desired change. If it's at all complicated, make a copy of the template at Template:Infobox German location/sandbox with the desired changes, and ask for an admin to synchronize it. Stifle ( talk) 22:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi the proposal is almost done at User:Dr. Blofeld/Germany using Template:Infobox German location/sandbox. Just need to shrink the COA to around 80px and get the map to display the title like with France. What do you think? Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Without scrolling? Thats pretty normal, I use cologne blue most of the time so I always have to scroll down. A lot of existing ones like Berne etc actually have the map at the bottom which in my view is pretty bad. The layout in the proposal is very similar in size and proportion to most countries on here. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC) I've made the adjustments, shrunk the COA a little and added an anetated caption for the place and shrunk the size of the pin so it now looks like User:Dr. Blofeld/Germany with a decent locator. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Hi, looks like the region code for Brandenburg is wrong, see here. Could someone please change it from "BR" to "BB"? -- ulm ( talk) 19:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
As for instance this page shows, there is an issue with coordinates on some usages of this infobox. This is because of interpretation details that are a bit obscure. The simple explanation is that an empty value != a value of 0. Currently the code for this infobox reads:
{{Coord|{{{lat_deg|}}}|{{{lat_min|00}}}|{{{lat_sec|0}}}|N|{{{lon_deg|}}}|{{{lon_min|00}}}|{{{lon_sec|0}}}|E |display=title |type
In my opinion this should be changed to:
{{Coord|{{{lat_deg|}}}|{{#if:{{{lat_min|}}}|{{{lat_min}}}|00}}|{{#if:{{{lat_sec|}}}|{{{lat_sec}}}|0}}|N |{{{lon_deg|}}}|{{#if:{{{lon_min|}}}|{{{lon_min}}}|00}}|{{#if:{{{lon_sec|}}}|{{{lon_sec}}}|0}}|E |display=title |type
This should make the code more robust. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 23:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
{{Infobox German location/sandbox
|Art = Stadt
|image_photo = Zitadelle-Spandau-Torhaus groß.JPG
|image_caption =
|Wappen = Wappen Hockenheim.png
|lat_deg = 49 |lat_min = 19 |lat_sec = 05
|lon_deg = 08 |lon_min = 32 |lon_sec = 50
|Lageplan =
|Bundesland = Baden-Württemberg
|Regierungsbezirk = Karlsruhe
|Landkreis = Rhein-Neckar-Kreis
|Höhe = 102
|Fläche = 34.84
|Einwohner = 20787
|Stand = 2005-12-31
|PLZ = 68754–68766
|PLZ-alt = 6832
|Vorwahl = 06205
|Kfz = HD
|Gemeindeschlüssel = 08 2 26 032
|Adresse = Rathausstraße 1<br />68766 Hockenheim
|Website = [http://www.hockenheim.de/ www.hockenheim.de
|Bürgermeister = Dieter Gummer
|Bürgermeistertitel = Oberbürgermeister
}}
It has been requested that this template be updated and replaced by a new version, which you can find at Template:Infobox German location/sandbox. The differences between the two versions can be examined at this link. If there are no objections, I will replace the template in a few days. Stifle ( talk) 10:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
It will look like it does on the right now. The names of the towns will now feature on the map. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I agree Markus, it looks a little too big at 220px. I;d recommend 170px-180px although the map of Poland is a similar shape and they have that rendered even larger. I think your px adjustment is much improved. It looks perfect on the right now. I think 80px is still a fair size for coat of arms, besides which this is a neutral encyclopedia, not a way to exhibit German pride!. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
This infobox uses {{ km2 to mi2}} template - which, strictly speaking, isn't deprecated, but its output ("km²") violates WP:UNITS (should be "km2"). So,
{{km2 to mi2|{{{Fläche|{{{area|0}}}}}}|abbr=yes|wiki=no}}
should be replaced with
{{convert|{{{Fläche|{{{area|0}}}}}}|km2|abbr=on}}
Comments? GregorB ( talk) 19:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Two changes per above discussion:
km<sup>2</sup>
).
GregorB (
talk)
20:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)Hi. I noticed we have some new locators like File:Schleswig-Holstein location map.svg. What would you say about using regional pin locators in the infoboxes?
I've created the maps, see Category:Germany location map templates. Perhaps we could reprogramme the infobox to read the state e.g Bavaria and automatically use Template:Location map Germany Bavaria.svg etc. I think better detail is given on regional maps although the national map is very useful but you can see where it is nationally anywway when you click on the globe. Maybe two pin maps would bloat the box but maybe we could have them at a size where they coexist alongside each other I dunno. I definately think using the regional maps would be an improvement though. What do you think? Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean? I thought you would have been interested. Evidently they think they are needed on German wikipedia as the maps were created by Germans! Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
{{Infobox German location/sandbox
|Art = Stadt
|image_photo = Zitadelle-Spandau-Torhaus groß.JPG
|image_caption =
|Wappen = Wappen Hockenheim.png
|lat_deg = 49 |lat_min = 19 |lat_sec = 05
|lon_deg = 08 |lon_min = 32 |lon_sec = 50
|Lageplan =
|Bundesland = Baden-Württemberg
|Regierungsbezirk = Karlsruhe
|Landkreis = Rhein-Neckar-Kreis
|Höhe = 102
|Fläche = 34.84
|Einwohner = 20787
|Stand = 2005-12-31
|PLZ = 68754–68766
|PLZ-alt = 6832
|Vorwahl = 06205
|Kfz = HD
|Gemeindeschlüssel = 08 2 26 032
|Adresse = Rathausstraße 1<br />68766 Hockenheim
|Website = [http://www.hockenheim.de/ www.hockenheim.de
|Bürgermeister = Dieter Gummer
|Bürgermeistertitel = Oberbürgermeister
}}
I reckon there is enough room to have both the national map and regional map coexisting side my side without making the infobox any wider, at present there is alot of space at the sides. You'd need captions though e.g location in bavaria. Maybe the maps would be reduced to 160px but I'm sure we could get more national and regional maps to fit. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Iwas thinking something like below. We'd have to reduce the national map size perhas to 150 or 160 to fit.
Here's my 2 cents: obviously both maps could be useful - national map for people not really that familiar with geography of Germany (a majority, myself included), and regional map for people who want more detail. But two maps simultaneously could be awkward. Is there a way to show a single map, and provide some sort of mechanism whereby a user could toggle between the national and the regional map? And if there is, would that be a good solution? GregorB ( talk) 16:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Well we could see how it looks with two maps first and then see what Kirill can do. Remember that the maps will be smaller in the box and would be shrunk to a level where it doesm't look too cluttered. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
On balance I would prefer the regional map. I think it's especially suitable for regional topics e.g. local sights, towns and villages and geographical features that are not internationally known. If someone doesn't know where e.g. Bavaria is, they can link to the relevant article. -- Bermicourt ( talk) 15:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I prefer regional maps over the national one, but see the need to have a national map for those unfamiliar with Germany's states. To solve this one just needs to include a small national map as a legend in the corner of the regional ones, with the respective state depicted in the regional map highlighted in the national map. Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The template no longer handles the latest changes to its opposite number on German Wikipedia. Specifically the following fields don't seem to be recognised (shown together with their suggested displayed field name or purpose:
It is recommended that the old fields are also retained to avoid changing the 100s of existing article fields.
Comments on the above are welcome. But then can someone unlock the template and make the necessary changes, ensuring the template translates fieldnames and options as appropriate. Or I can do it if given the appropriate access rights. -- Bermicourt ( talk) 11:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I propose merging the template {{ Infobox German location subdivision}} into {{ Infobox German location}}. Infobox German location subdivision was created because Infobox German location couldn't handle subdivisions, but now it can. I have created a template that could replace Infobox German location subdivision, and transcludes to Infobox German location. See {{ Infobox German location subdivision/sandbox}}, and User:Markussep/sandbox for some test cases. Some minor things need to be changed or added in Infobox German location, please add more:
Markussep Talk 14:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please replace this template with the version in the sandbox. This will remove a dummy coat of arms image and make the infobox suitable for subdivisions of Hamburg, Berlin and Bremen (e.g. Rothenburgsort). Markussep Talk 19:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I made a new sandbox version that includes more functionality from the I.G.l. subdivision template: when applicable, the main city/town/municipality and the borough (for quarters that are themselves part of city boroughs, like Wilhelmsburg in Hamburg, and Charlottenburg in Berlin) are listed under "Administration". It's debatable whether the "A borough of X" line under the infobox caption is still needed, I left it there for now. Comments? Markussep Talk 12:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. The difference is that for subdivisions the city/town/municipality and the borough are displayed under "Administration".
Markussep
Talk
11:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Ref.:
Infobox German location/testcases
The
sandbox version of this infobox template has been altered so that the latitude and longitude does not wrap, i.e., lat. on one line and long. on the next line. This was done by changing the Coord display= parameter from "title" to "inline". Then a separate link to the
Geographic coordinate system was added. Finally, the coordinates section was moved up to just below the top map.
If this looks good to everyone, and I haven't messed things up, then I propose we go to this version. All that will be necessary is to copy the sandbox version to the live version. I have the sandbox version in my own
personal sandbox just in case this public version is altered. If no one objects, I shall request the change to be made in a few days. Thank you very much!
—
Paine's
Climax
08:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please copy
Template:Infobox German location/sandbox to the
live version of this infobox. As seen on the
testcases page, this will move the coordinates from the very bottom of the infobox up to just under the map image. Thank you very much!
—
Paine's
Climax
00:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
In the most recent edit I changed the coordinates display parameter to "inline". The reason is that when "title" is used, the infoboxes in the articles don't look good in some
skins. To illustrate this, I added the "display=it" ("it" is a shortcut for "inline/title") back into the
sandbox of this template. Editors will be able to see on the
testcases page that it doesn't look good across all skins. The coordinates appear twice in the infobox in the
MySkin and the
Simple skins, they don't show anywhere in the top of the
Nostalgia skin version, and the title coordinates conflict with lines in the
Modern and the
Vector skins. So I'll leave it up to editors whether or not to switch back to the "display=it" (inline and title) command. Remember, the most important thing is for the articles to look good in the
Monobook skin, which I'll admit, it does look okay in Monobook. Monobook is the skin that all readers use who do not have a Wikipedia account and are not logged in. Here's wishing HAPPY HOLIDAYS! to all!
—
Ellsworth's
Climax
12:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
In the new {{ Infobox German location/sandbox}} version I fixed several inconveniences:
See User:Markussep/sandbox and Template:Infobox German location/testcases. Let me know if you notice any errors, otherwise I'll ask for the changes to go live. Markussep Talk 17:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will improve the way digital coordinates are handled, and fix some minor issues (see above).
Markussep
Talk
15:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I just tried to put the flag back into the infobox for Cologne, (which was there until recently when it used to use the international infobox) and now this infobox here doesnt give that option. Also, there are plenty of flags in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_of_municipalities_in_North_Rhine-Westphalia and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_of_municipalities_in_Germany, so it might be worth as an optional parameter. 94.220.249.108 ( talk) 14:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will make it possible to display flags in the infobox, and move the detailed map to a collapsable box.
Markussep
Talk
09:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I made a new {{ Infobox German location/sandbox}} version, that uses (a copy of) the German wikipedia database of population numbers, as of 31 December 2008. They're updated once a year. This new feature uses the "Gemeindeschlüssel" field, which is available in most of the infoboxes that were copied from German wikipedia. I've tried to make it as failsafe as possible, using a maintenance category to track errors. See the Template:Infobox German location/testcases page for examples. These are the changes I made. Comments? Markussep Talk 19:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will make it possible to use recent population numbers from a sourced database.
Markussep
Talk
20:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
If you're the only one updating the lists, do you have any recommendations for others? – Seeing that it is a lot for one person to be doing, especially since the infoboxes are reliant on your input. Is there anything that I or indeed other members of the project can do to help? Jared Preston ( talk) 22:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will add the correct date and reference for the population data.
Markussep
Talk
18:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
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I tried out this infobox on Angelbachtal. I see a couple minor problems.
The German version of this template assigns all articles to "Kategorie: Ort in {Bundesland}", while the English wiki has three different categories to cover this: "Category: Cities/Towns/Villages in (state)" even though there is no clear delination between such locations in Germany. It is reasonably easy to automatically assign entires to these categories, but what should be the rationale for assignment?
Apart from teething problems regarding the new template, this issue is perhaps the most important thing that needs to be addressed before widespread use of this template can commence. - 52 Pickup 13:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
This, according to the German wiki, qualifies a town to be known as a de:Großstadt, which is considered to be the closest German word that describes "city" in English (in terms of differentiating it from a town). Meanwhile, List of cities in Germany follows its German equivalent ( de:Liste der Städte in Deutschland) and has a different list (separate to those categorised) and says:"There is no legal distinction between towns and cities in Germany. This category contains articles about settlements with more than 100,000 inhabitants. Smaller German settlements are in the Towns in Germany category."
This, I imagine, includes all locations with more than 100,000 inhabitants plus many others (see also Town#Germany).EN:"Only municipalities with independent administration and that have the Stadtrecht (city rights) are included."
DE:"Die Liste der Städte in Deutschland enthält eine vollständige Auflistung aller 2075 Städte in Deutschland in alphabetischer Reihenfolge (Stand: 27. November 2006). Es sind nur die (verwaltungsrechtlich selbständigen) Gemeinden aufgeführt, die das Stadtrecht besitzen. Auf die einzelnen Bundesländer entfallen folgende Anzahlen:"
I guess the categories are not perfect. See for instance Category:Cities by country, Category:Towns by country, Category:Municipalities by country, and the not so densely populated Category:Villages in Germany. I think it's better to disable automatic categorisation for now. Technically, if we use "town" as translation for "Stadt", and "city" for "Großstadt", the List of cities in Germany should be renamed List of towns in Germany. And is there a good translation for "Ortsteil" and "Stadtteil"? I see all kinds of translations, including the wonderful "city-part". Markussep 09:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
The trouble with "district" is that it's used for Kreise. Maybe "borough" is better. Or "village", if it's a separate, rural settlement. I wouldn't call Rheydt a village. So we get the following system then:
Maybe we should merge some of these categories, but we can discuss that on the project page later. Markussep 10:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh my God! Now you know how a German feels when he is trying to understand the britsh system(s) of local government! I will try to explain the German system: There are three "Gebietskörperschaften" (maybe to translate best with: area muncipalities, if that makes any sense to you) plus the EU. So the hierachy is like this:
"1. EU " 2. The Federal Republik of Germany 3.The (16) Federal States (including Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen) 4. municipalities (including all districts, cities (without Berlin, Hamburg and Bremen(without Bremerhaven with is a city of its own in the Federal State Bremen.), towns and municipalities.
In NRW the political subdivisions are: 1. The Federal State (Bundesland) with its elected Parliament and a Primeminister and several Ministers. 2. The Regierungsbezirke (supervising authorities) (no elected council) with a "Regierungspräsident" as its chiefexecutive. Supervising all districts, cities, towns and municipalities in its area. They are named after the town or city in which they are based, like Arnsberg (supervising the eastern Ruhr Area and the Sauerland with Dortmund, Hamm, Hagen, District Unna ...etc.)or Münster. 3.
They are formed by several independant towns and/or municipalities.
Both cities and districts have their own registration plates. Ex.: HAM for Hamm (HAM-M 333) and UN for Unna (UN-X 111)towns and municipalities in the district Unna are using the UN opn the reg-plates.
4. Towns and municipalities: They have elected councils with a mayor as its head. In NRW and most of the other Federal States they are part of a district like Unna (the district council is based in the town Unna and so the ditrict (Kreis) is named after it.) because the are to small to attend to all their duties alone, like waste management or Schools etc.. 5. The cities and some towns and municipalities have Bezirke with their own elected councils (Bezirksvertretungen).The councils have a Bezirksvorsteher (some kind of nearly a mayor, haven't found a Translation) In case of the city Hamm there are seven of them, Hamm, Bockum-Hövel, Heessen (former towns), Rhynern, Uentrop, Herringen and Pelkum (former municipalities). These smaller local councils are for advising the town- or citycouncils and the Oberbürgermeister.
The townrights (Stadtrechte) means in the old style the right to build citywalls and having their own jugdement and jugdes, sometimes even to mint and so on. In the modern political system of Germany, they lost their function.
This means you can get the title by asking for it, in case your municipality has a bit of an urban charakter. With the title town (Stadt) comes nothing it is just the title.
The status "Großstadt" City is changing the duties of the former town. A city has to attend to all duties of a district by itself.
"Ortsteil/Stadtteil" both are not political subdivisions they're only parts of a town or city (Stadtteil) or a municipality. Like Hövel a part of the Bezirk (maybe quarter?)Bockum-Hövel in the city Hamm.
"Ort" means place or site or town or village, even city etc. The german category (Ort in Bundesland) just gives a hint in which Federal State the town or what ever is located it doesn't categorize the political sub division!
Village means 10 or more houses (Bavarian Law). Kleinstadt ("small sized" town) means more than 5000 and less than 20.000 inhabitants. Mittelstadt ("medium sized" town) means more than 20.000 and less than 100.000 inhabitants. Großstadt ("City") more than 100.000 inhabitants. (81 in Germany by 2005) Millionenstadt ("City") with more than 1.000.000 inhabitants. (Berlin, Hamburg, München, sometimes Köln)sometimes also called Metropole.
amtsfreie Gemeinden = kreisfreise Städte (word by word: district free towns) and in some states even smaller towns are free of beeing part of a district.
amtsangehörige Gemeinden/Städte = municipalities or towns which are part of a district.
I hope that will help you, with this problem so far. You can find me here-- Gabriel-Royce 21:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC) German native!
Hello, I've just seen it. Which categories do we need here? I think it would be okay just to use the following system:
Orte (maybe Settlement or Places as translation? Any other ideas?) in Germany
Subs: Orte in NRW and so on. => Sub:Orte in NRW
SubSubs: Cities in NRW, Towns in NRW, Municipalities in NRW, Ortsteile in NRW
Berlin Hamburg and Bremen should be combined with neighbouring States like Brandenburg and Berlin => Subcat: Orte in Brandenburg and Berlin.
Municipalties could include Sub Sub Subcategories for Amt, Samtgemeiden and so on.
Districts should stay for themselves as Category Districts in Ger. Subs for the Fed. States.
If there are Question, please ask on my talk page, because I'm a bit busy with my Exams in Forestry, and only briefly passing by until 13. February. -- Gabriel-Royce 23:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Template talk:Infobox Town DE#Information deliberately left out of this template shows a list of things that Infobox Town DE does not include, some of these things are currently displayed by this template. Some of these fields are not shown in the German one either, but contain the information as metadata (that is, you can fill in the fields but that data is not displayed). At the moment, all fields are visible because the template is still in its early days, but which ones are not worth displaying here? - 52 Pickup 21:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
It is: Bürgermeister oder Oberbürgermeister oder Landrat (male version) or Bürgermeisterin, Oberbürgermeisterin oder Landrätin (female). You can write it in German as : Bürgermeister/in and so on as male and female Version written in one or use the generic masculinum (generisches Maskulinum) with is just the male version of the word. (sometimes considered to be discourteous)-- Gabriel-Royce 22:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Ups, wie peinlich! Naja, kommt vor!-- Gabriel-Royce 16:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have also tried this info box on Dossenheim, which is nearly complete. imars 07:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The template does not work if you add numbers with the format X,XXX. Why? Bye and good work. -- Attilios 13:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Why aren't the coordinates in the article header any more? It doesn't make sense to include them a second time only to solve that problem. In case you don't see the problem, see this change and the one before and after. -- 32X 17:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Adding template to Edingen-Neckarhausen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Imars ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
I find it ridiculous that one should work here with all these German words. How users can tackle them? :Others
-- Attilios 12:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I added the template to Eppelheim and Epfenbach. Is it useful for me to announce where I have used this template since it is still under construction? imars 07:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I am having trouble with the graphic for the Wappen for Gaiberg. It works in the German info box. I can click on the placeholder for the image. But the image will not display. Could this be an error with the infobox? imars 11:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I repeat, we should find a way to show inhabitants (say, more than 1,000) in the correct way specified at WP:Manual of Style. Solution would be to add a new field for density, taking the value from the de.wikipedia. Also, headers shouldn't be in capitals. Bye, and good work. -- Attilios 11:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The extensive discussion above on auto-categorising this template doesn't seems to have settled the vexed question of what to do with the "stadt"s, but would there by any objection to having it feed into a single kreis-level category for each such? (We already have some of these, e.g. ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Marburg-Biedenkopf. Alai 01:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the use of the parameter "Art" is making mediawiki think the template {{ Art}} is being transcluded onto articles. [1]. This was noticed doing some image maintenance. I can fix it if you want, but I don't know what parameter people would prefer. :) - cohesion 03:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
To reduce the amount of external links within articles, the pop_source field is being phased out by pop_ref. While pop_source required just a weblink, pop_ref requires full referencing (including ref tags). For an example, see Cologne. When adding data in this field, it is also necessary to make sure that the page has a references section.
The pop_source variable has now been disabled and any articles still using it have been placed into this category - Category:Germany articles requiring maintenance under section "I". - 52 Pickup 12:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to change from using {{ coor d}} to using {{ coord}}. The latter has a display property, which can be display=inline, display=title or display=inline,title. "inline" would replace the former template literally, but using both values also displays the coordinates in the title bar. Could someone more familiar with the intricacies of this template oblige, please? Andy Mabbett 17:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I just added the infobox to Marsberg, partially to try it, partially as incentive to do something about the stub, but it's giving me Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "�" in the elevation section, and I can't figure out why. There are no "?"'s, and no unknown sections, so... what's causing it? How do I fix it?
And while I'm at it, can anyone check the two sets of coordinates (one's commented out) in Obermarsberg to see which are more accurate? - Bbik 00:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Please take a look at the page for Delmenhorst. The location map doesn't work properly. -- Valentinian T / C 11:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted Gemeinde now, but the problem will be there again in case someone types in the Art:Gemeinde. Is it a general problem or just in that specific article?-- Gabriel-Royce 12:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
This conversation was originaly held on my talk page. The Problem is unsolved. Any ideas?-- Gabriel-Royce 08:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
One problem I experienced is the automatic linking of personal names. If mayor Klaus Müller is linked to somebody completely different with the same name, that's a bit of a problem. 84.141.172.250 ( talk) 18:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I have just set the geographical co-ordinates to display both within the infobox and on the title bar. This would have been done ages ago, but the coord template was having problems. Only when co-ordinates are in the title bar will they be picked up by other programs such as Google Earth. It doesn't work if the co-ordinates are placed within the article. Not sure how long until the Wikipedia layer on Google Earth refreshes itself, but soon all entries using this infobox will be displayed on Google Earth.
There is one problem. Various articles have manually added a separate co-ordinates template. This causes an ugly overlap at the title bar. So could you please delete these extra templates as you find them. Thanks. - 52 Pickup 18:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi 52 Pickup, I have a request for the infobox. Could you make the infobox link directly to the right Samtgemeinde, Amt, Verbandsgemeinde, Verwaltungsgemeinschaft etc.? The German infobox uses the "bare" Amt etc. name, e.g. |Verwaltungsgemeinschaft = Elbe-Heide, and links to standard article titles like [[Verwaltungsgemeinschaft Elbe-Heide]]. We have a slightly different standard, we use the "bare" name if it's not ambiguous, and titles like Loreley (Verbandsgemeinde) if it's ambiguous. That would save us a lot of editing. Thanks, Markussep Talk 09:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Is it intentional, that I have to place a manual ref-tag in pop_ref? Agathoclea 09:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Greetings from WikiProject Disambiguation! Currently, [[ urban]] is one of the words we are working on. There are a large number of hits for German cities which I want to link to [[ urban area]], but I can't trace down exactly where the link occurs. It appears to be in {{ Infobox German Location}}, but I can't find exactly where. I made an attempted fix, but the effect was quite counterintuitive. Could sumbuddy help me out here? — Randall Bart (talk) 14:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
17-September-2007: I am setting the default "mark=" image file for the pointer as the (redundant) copy, Image:Red_pog2.svg (identical to the original pointer), to bypass the ongoing image-cache problems during September 15-17, 2007. Only the original red-dot image ( Image:Red_pog.svg) has been disappearing at size 8x8 pixels: the blue dot ( Image:Blue_pog.svg) and redundant red-dot "Red_pog2.svg" have been reliable when 8x8 pixels. - Wikid77 11:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: I am working on a new version of Infobox_German_Location which allows English parameter names for the German parameters (such as "district" same as "Kreis" or "mayor" same as "Bürgermeister"). The English names also match those used in Template:Infobox_Town_DE to allow copy-paste of those infobox lines into Infobox_German_Location. The new version is currently being tested before release. - Wikid77 04:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: Many templates, such as Infobox_German_Location, have been written in the typical one-liner style, with much of the source code written as a long string of nested "{{..}}" expressions, rather than as indented source code. The effect of the one-liner coding has been rambling expressions:
However, it is possible to write the template code in a more structured, indented style, to align if-statements and others, such as when checking to display the mayor's name:
{{#ifexist: {{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|}}}}}} |<!--then-wikilink-->[[{{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|}}} }}}]] |<!--else-nolink-->{{ #ifeq:{{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|<noinclude>x</noinclude>}}}}}}|x |<!--then-say-text-->{{{Bürgermeister or mayor}}} |<!--else-show-name-->{{{Bürgermeister|{{{mayor|}}} }}} }}<!--endifeq--> }}<!--endifexist-->
Decades of computer-language design has shown that coding 2 nested if-statements as indented, across 8 lines, is preferable to a compact "one-liner" string that wraps onto only 3 lines of text. Although the source code becomes over twice as long, it is easier for others to read and modify, for inserting more if-statements within the indented structure. Many people writing the one-liner templates, as a wrapped string of source code, know full well how to write structured, indented source code, but there has been a wiki sub-culture of one-liner coding that has dominated the writing of templates. It takes time to re-write and clarify all that condensed one-liner coding.
The current coding of template Infobox_German_Location has involved many one-liner sections; however, the template code can be re-written to use the more structured, indented-code style, over time. - Wikid77 04:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: The template code can be indented onto separate lines; however, the double-brace "{{" typically cannot be indented past column 1 on a line, so the "#if
" or "#ifeq
" must be indented apart from the "{{" double-brace. Leaving the double-brace at the end of the previous line might be the easiest split:
<!--previous line--> {{ #ifexpr: {{{Az}}} < {{{Bz}}} |<!--then-show--> Yes, Az lower than Bz={{{Bz}}}. |<!--else-show--> No, Az NOT lower than Bz. }}<!--endifexpr-->
In the above example, the double-brace "{{" is left on the previous line, separated from the indented "#ifexpr
" on the subsequent line. Indenting a double-brace can cause the whole line to be treated as a quote-box, as follows:
{{#ifexpr: {{{A}}}={{{B}}} <!--this indented line became this box-->
Since an indented double-brace might be treated as a quote-box, the double-brace could be left on the previous line, split from the indented "#ifexpr" line. - Wikid77 04:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
23-Sep-2007: Okay, yes, working on the wiki templates can be very difficult. Detailed templates, such as the Infobox_German_Location, involve so many details that they rarely get properly tested and restructured for logical sequence, compared to the work needed to develop professional software. In a sense, these templates would not have been available at this time, due to the many man-hours needed for the full complex development, so these are "impossible templates" which wouldn't even exist now, except at this current level of "stub" or " prototyping" software. Please encourage experienced computer programmers to help develop these templates, because the MediaWiki language is only a beta-level technology, and disciplined designers are needed to engineer better templates patched for that beta-level language. Thanks. - Wikid77 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that some districts in Schleswig-Holstein do not get an automatic link in the infobox, see for instance Heide (district Dithmarschen), Westerland, Germany (Nordfriesland), Eutin (Ostholstein), Rendsburg (Rendsburg-Eckernförde), Schleswig, Schleswig-Holstein (Schleswig-Flensburg), Bad Segeberg (Segeberg), Itzehoe (Steinburg) and Bad Oldesloe (Stormarn). Any idea why that is, and how to fix it? Markussep Talk 16:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Same for the Oder-Spree district in Brandenburg, see Wiesenau, Marburg-Biedenkopf in Hesse (e.g. Marburg) and Vulkaneifel in Rhineland-Palatinate ( Daun, Germany). I see a pattern: they're all districts without " (district)" in the page name. Markussep Talk 11:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Look at Worms, Germany: it takes up more than two-thirds of the width of the page! I don't know how to fix this, but I'm sure the template could be thinner and still contain all the same information. Does anyone know how to change it? Terraxos 15:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
26-Oct-2007: I fixed the template coding bug (from 21Oct2007) that put an extra "{{{width" prefix at the top of the code. It is important to NOT modify Template:Infobox_German_Location as the live version, without prior testing in a separate copy. For editing, please create (edit) a copy as "User:XXX/Template:Infobox_German_Location" and test against your username "XXX" (in edit-preview mode, without saving live articles during testing). The live template is used in nearly 3,000 articles, with 500 more expected. - Wikid77 11:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
26-Oct-2007: Some wiki-servers might be running an older version of the template "Infobox_German_Location" perhaps as a cached file. Regardless of whatever cache files, the current templates can be accessed by editing an article (unchanged) and clicking Show-Preview. The wiki "Show Preview" option reveals how the stored article will appear once all cache-files and wiki-servers are updated to reflect the current changes. I realize the bizarre wide-screen infoboxes (spanning 2/3 of screen) are irritating, but they seem to be temporary leftovers which should go away soon. Again, edit a file (without changing) and click bottom "Show Preview" to see how an article would look after Wikipedia stabilizes. That's the only sanity I can recommend with these bizarre cache-file, multi-server confusions. - Wikid77 22:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
There was a change some time ago which caused a COA of "kein" to be displayed as unknown rather than as none. With the current flurry of activity on the template it might be worth looking at. Agathoclea 21:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The automatic categorization goes wrong somehow, see for instance Lörrach, and Category:Municipalities in for a collection of problem articles. It seems the template has a problem with square brackets around the state name, see for instance this diff. Markussep Talk 14:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I just had to go to German parameters to fix a faulty density in Füssen. Is this a general issue? Agathoclea ( talk) 12:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there a writeup already about which template to use if the place is not a municipality like Rueckers? Agathoclea ( talk) 10:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please use default values for coordinate values, as {{
coord}} displays an error with empty arguments. This is seen on many articles, e.g.
Dillenburg, where lat_sec and lon_sec are empty or missing. I suggest:
<!-- ----------------------------------- Generate "Coord" function -->{{#if: {{{lat_deg|<noinclude>x</noinclude>}}} | {{Coord|{{{lat_deg|}}}|{{{lat_min|}}}|{{{lat_sec|}}}|N|{{{lon_deg|}}}|{{{lon_min|}}}|{{{lon_sec|}}}|E |display=title |type:{{
changed to:
<!-- ----------------------------------- Generate "Coord" function -->{{#if: {{{lat_deg|<noinclude>x</noinclude>}}} | {{Coord|{{{lat_deg|51}}}|{{{lat_min|00}}}|{{{lat_sec|00}}}|N|{{{lon_deg|9}}}|{{{lon_min|00}}}|{{{lon_sec|00}}}|E |display=title |type:{{
51°N,9°E are the coordinates on the Germany article, Thanks – Leo Laursen – ☏ ⌘ 10:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Please consider changing the "European city infobox templates" category to "German subdivision infobox templates", for finer-grain specification. -- Adoniscik( t, c) 04:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
As can be seen above in section #One-liner coding, this template seems to automatically link the name of the mayor if there happens to be an article of that name. The apparent idea is
Now it seems to me that these three goals are impossible to fulfill at the same time:
So to me it seems better to leave the decision whether to create a link or not up to the editor. Or, if at en we really consider all mayors of any town notable, the template should link the mayor no matter if the article exists. Or is there anything I haven't noticed? Salutes, -- dealerof salvation 05:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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I think an optional field for demonyms would be expedient. Demonyms are normally created with the -er suffix but cities like Saarbrücken, Hannover, Emden, Bremen or Dresden have irregular or uncertain demonyms and therefore displaying them in such cases would be an advantage. Geo-Loge ( talk) 11:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:FLAGS, I was bold and removed the little Germany flag icon as it didn't seem to add anything not already implied by the word Germany. Feel free to disagree and to bring your encyclopedic reasons why we need the flag here. -- John ( talk) 21:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Parameter "population as of" is displayed as e.g. 31/12/2006, which is incompatible with WP:DATE. GregorB ( talk) 13:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
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Please remove class="adr"
from:
--> class="infobox geography vcard" style="width:23em; text-align:left;"
|- class="adr"
as it's redundant and breaks the hCard microformat. Thank you. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I think, this map is better than location map.svg the one in use. Would you like to change it? SteMicha ( talk) 17:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to fix the following error in this template.
Where it prints out the thing that says "Elevation 500-600", that is what it prints, with a hyphen, instead of 500–600, with a correct ndash. Can someone do that? Michael Hardy ( talk) 05:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
246 #if: {{{elevationmax|}}} 247 |<!--then "-" max-->-{{formatnum:{{{elevationmax}}}}} m ({{ ^ 248 formatnum:{{#expr: 0{{{Höhe|{{{elevation|}}}}}}*3.281 round 0}}}}-{{ ^
Michael Bednarek ( talk) 07:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you.
I've done this edit, and it worked for the elevation in feet, but the one in meters still has a stubby little hyphen instead of an ndash. Michael Hardy ( talk) 14:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Bingo. Details matter..... Michael Hardy ( talk) 19:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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The parameter year places the location (for example,
Wiesbaden and
Mainz) into the non-existant category "Settlements established in year", rather than "Year establishments". Can this be repaired?--
Texas Whitt (
talk)
20:01, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
This is English Wikipedia, although this template is for German-related articles, the parameters should still be defined internally in English shouldn't they? -- 212.44.61.185 ( talk) 11:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Markup like {{lang|de|Baden-Württemberg}}
causes an "Invalid state: "Baden-Württemberg" error (
example). Can this be fixced?
Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing);
Andy's talk;
Andy's edits
21:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
lang=""
and XHTML xml:lang
attributes it uses, exist?|native_name
and |native_name_lang
; the latter solely to apply the relevant HTML attributes.
Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing);
Andy's talk;
Andy's edits
13:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)Can we fix this? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Lately, the location map has not been working. However, when doing a preview, it shows up. Any ideas?-- CSvBibra ( talk) 22:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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#time:d/m/Y
should be changed to
#time:j F Y
for compliance with WP:DATE. GregorB ( talk) 21:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if you would think about changing the current layout of the box in coordination with most of the othe rinfoboxes to have a larger map underneath the coat of arms. The current layout renders it that the map is so small it is the same size as the coat of arms which on most wikipedia settlements is at least 200 px while the coat of arms often well under 100 px. Most of the time the map is four times larger at least than the coat of arms, not the same size. For instance on Hockenheim you'd expect the map to be roughly the same size as a the photograph. Add to the map a thick locator pin that we currently have rather than the thinner pin used on the French communes map for instance and it makes the scale of the map awkward especially as we now have much higher quality pin maps. How about flags and coat of arms go side by side on top and you display a decent sized map underneath as with most other countries on here. As for as I can see it is only a hadnful of countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland and perhaps Norway that insist on keeping the coat of arms sized minitature locator map. Any thoughts? Dr. Blofeld White cat 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Anything from between 200px-270px would look a great deal better in my view. WHat I would do is adjust the box so the coat of arms goes under the photograph at a smaller px and doesn't have its own sectio,n just a label Coat of arms and then you put the location map underneath at around 270px in a section, excatly the same size as the photo and possibly get it to annetate to pin on the map like it does on most places. The result would be a map and photo alignment with France which works very well I think at 270px. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC) Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Here is an example. Note I am not propsing to use infobox settlement of course, just to change the proportions of the map vs coat of arms like in the example given Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
220 is good for me too. How do we make the change? Without a doubt 100x120px for a pin map is painfully small. It shouldn't really be the same size as the coat of arms!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
To request a change, just put {{ editprotected}} here with exact details of the desired change. If it's at all complicated, make a copy of the template at Template:Infobox German location/sandbox with the desired changes, and ask for an admin to synchronize it. Stifle ( talk) 22:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi the proposal is almost done at User:Dr. Blofeld/Germany using Template:Infobox German location/sandbox. Just need to shrink the COA to around 80px and get the map to display the title like with France. What do you think? Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Without scrolling? Thats pretty normal, I use cologne blue most of the time so I always have to scroll down. A lot of existing ones like Berne etc actually have the map at the bottom which in my view is pretty bad. The layout in the proposal is very similar in size and proportion to most countries on here. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC) I've made the adjustments, shrunk the COA a little and added an anetated caption for the place and shrunk the size of the pin so it now looks like User:Dr. Blofeld/Germany with a decent locator. Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Hi, looks like the region code for Brandenburg is wrong, see here. Could someone please change it from "BR" to "BB"? -- ulm ( talk) 19:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
As for instance this page shows, there is an issue with coordinates on some usages of this infobox. This is because of interpretation details that are a bit obscure. The simple explanation is that an empty value != a value of 0. Currently the code for this infobox reads:
{{Coord|{{{lat_deg|}}}|{{{lat_min|00}}}|{{{lat_sec|0}}}|N|{{{lon_deg|}}}|{{{lon_min|00}}}|{{{lon_sec|0}}}|E |display=title |type
In my opinion this should be changed to:
{{Coord|{{{lat_deg|}}}|{{#if:{{{lat_min|}}}|{{{lat_min}}}|00}}|{{#if:{{{lat_sec|}}}|{{{lat_sec}}}|0}}|N |{{{lon_deg|}}}|{{#if:{{{lon_min|}}}|{{{lon_min}}}|00}}|{{#if:{{{lon_sec|}}}|{{{lon_sec}}}|0}}|E |display=title |type
This should make the code more robust. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 23:41, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
{{Infobox German location/sandbox
|Art = Stadt
|image_photo = Zitadelle-Spandau-Torhaus groß.JPG
|image_caption =
|Wappen = Wappen Hockenheim.png
|lat_deg = 49 |lat_min = 19 |lat_sec = 05
|lon_deg = 08 |lon_min = 32 |lon_sec = 50
|Lageplan =
|Bundesland = Baden-Württemberg
|Regierungsbezirk = Karlsruhe
|Landkreis = Rhein-Neckar-Kreis
|Höhe = 102
|Fläche = 34.84
|Einwohner = 20787
|Stand = 2005-12-31
|PLZ = 68754–68766
|PLZ-alt = 6832
|Vorwahl = 06205
|Kfz = HD
|Gemeindeschlüssel = 08 2 26 032
|Adresse = Rathausstraße 1<br />68766 Hockenheim
|Website = [http://www.hockenheim.de/ www.hockenheim.de
|Bürgermeister = Dieter Gummer
|Bürgermeistertitel = Oberbürgermeister
}}
It has been requested that this template be updated and replaced by a new version, which you can find at Template:Infobox German location/sandbox. The differences between the two versions can be examined at this link. If there are no objections, I will replace the template in a few days. Stifle ( talk) 10:04, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
It will look like it does on the right now. The names of the towns will now feature on the map. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I agree Markus, it looks a little too big at 220px. I;d recommend 170px-180px although the map of Poland is a similar shape and they have that rendered even larger. I think your px adjustment is much improved. It looks perfect on the right now. I think 80px is still a fair size for coat of arms, besides which this is a neutral encyclopedia, not a way to exhibit German pride!. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
This infobox uses {{ km2 to mi2}} template - which, strictly speaking, isn't deprecated, but its output ("km²") violates WP:UNITS (should be "km2"). So,
{{km2 to mi2|{{{Fläche|{{{area|0}}}}}}|abbr=yes|wiki=no}}
should be replaced with
{{convert|{{{Fläche|{{{area|0}}}}}}|km2|abbr=on}}
Comments? GregorB ( talk) 19:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
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Two changes per above discussion:
km<sup>2</sup>
).
GregorB (
talk)
20:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)Hi. I noticed we have some new locators like File:Schleswig-Holstein location map.svg. What would you say about using regional pin locators in the infoboxes?
I've created the maps, see Category:Germany location map templates. Perhaps we could reprogramme the infobox to read the state e.g Bavaria and automatically use Template:Location map Germany Bavaria.svg etc. I think better detail is given on regional maps although the national map is very useful but you can see where it is nationally anywway when you click on the globe. Maybe two pin maps would bloat the box but maybe we could have them at a size where they coexist alongside each other I dunno. I definately think using the regional maps would be an improvement though. What do you think? Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean? I thought you would have been interested. Evidently they think they are needed on German wikipedia as the maps were created by Germans! Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
{{Infobox German location/sandbox
|Art = Stadt
|image_photo = Zitadelle-Spandau-Torhaus groß.JPG
|image_caption =
|Wappen = Wappen Hockenheim.png
|lat_deg = 49 |lat_min = 19 |lat_sec = 05
|lon_deg = 08 |lon_min = 32 |lon_sec = 50
|Lageplan =
|Bundesland = Baden-Württemberg
|Regierungsbezirk = Karlsruhe
|Landkreis = Rhein-Neckar-Kreis
|Höhe = 102
|Fläche = 34.84
|Einwohner = 20787
|Stand = 2005-12-31
|PLZ = 68754–68766
|PLZ-alt = 6832
|Vorwahl = 06205
|Kfz = HD
|Gemeindeschlüssel = 08 2 26 032
|Adresse = Rathausstraße 1<br />68766 Hockenheim
|Website = [http://www.hockenheim.de/ www.hockenheim.de
|Bürgermeister = Dieter Gummer
|Bürgermeistertitel = Oberbürgermeister
}}
I reckon there is enough room to have both the national map and regional map coexisting side my side without making the infobox any wider, at present there is alot of space at the sides. You'd need captions though e.g location in bavaria. Maybe the maps would be reduced to 160px but I'm sure we could get more national and regional maps to fit. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Iwas thinking something like below. We'd have to reduce the national map size perhas to 150 or 160 to fit.
Here's my 2 cents: obviously both maps could be useful - national map for people not really that familiar with geography of Germany (a majority, myself included), and regional map for people who want more detail. But two maps simultaneously could be awkward. Is there a way to show a single map, and provide some sort of mechanism whereby a user could toggle between the national and the regional map? And if there is, would that be a good solution? GregorB ( talk) 16:35, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Well we could see how it looks with two maps first and then see what Kirill can do. Remember that the maps will be smaller in the box and would be shrunk to a level where it doesm't look too cluttered. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
On balance I would prefer the regional map. I think it's especially suitable for regional topics e.g. local sights, towns and villages and geographical features that are not internationally known. If someone doesn't know where e.g. Bavaria is, they can link to the relevant article. -- Bermicourt ( talk) 15:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I prefer regional maps over the national one, but see the need to have a national map for those unfamiliar with Germany's states. To solve this one just needs to include a small national map as a legend in the corner of the regional ones, with the respective state depicted in the regional map highlighted in the national map. Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The template no longer handles the latest changes to its opposite number on German Wikipedia. Specifically the following fields don't seem to be recognised (shown together with their suggested displayed field name or purpose:
It is recommended that the old fields are also retained to avoid changing the 100s of existing article fields.
Comments on the above are welcome. But then can someone unlock the template and make the necessary changes, ensuring the template translates fieldnames and options as appropriate. Or I can do it if given the appropriate access rights. -- Bermicourt ( talk) 11:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I propose merging the template {{ Infobox German location subdivision}} into {{ Infobox German location}}. Infobox German location subdivision was created because Infobox German location couldn't handle subdivisions, but now it can. I have created a template that could replace Infobox German location subdivision, and transcludes to Infobox German location. See {{ Infobox German location subdivision/sandbox}}, and User:Markussep/sandbox for some test cases. Some minor things need to be changed or added in Infobox German location, please add more:
Markussep Talk 14:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please replace this template with the version in the sandbox. This will remove a dummy coat of arms image and make the infobox suitable for subdivisions of Hamburg, Berlin and Bremen (e.g. Rothenburgsort). Markussep Talk 19:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
I made a new sandbox version that includes more functionality from the I.G.l. subdivision template: when applicable, the main city/town/municipality and the borough (for quarters that are themselves part of city boroughs, like Wilhelmsburg in Hamburg, and Charlottenburg in Berlin) are listed under "Administration". It's debatable whether the "A borough of X" line under the infobox caption is still needed, I left it there for now. Comments? Markussep Talk 12:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. The difference is that for subdivisions the city/town/municipality and the borough are displayed under "Administration".
Markussep
Talk
11:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Ref.:
Infobox German location/testcases
The
sandbox version of this infobox template has been altered so that the latitude and longitude does not wrap, i.e., lat. on one line and long. on the next line. This was done by changing the Coord display= parameter from "title" to "inline". Then a separate link to the
Geographic coordinate system was added. Finally, the coordinates section was moved up to just below the top map.
If this looks good to everyone, and I haven't messed things up, then I propose we go to this version. All that will be necessary is to copy the sandbox version to the live version. I have the sandbox version in my own
personal sandbox just in case this public version is altered. If no one objects, I shall request the change to be made in a few days. Thank you very much!
—
Paine's
Climax
08:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
{{
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Please copy
Template:Infobox German location/sandbox to the
live version of this infobox. As seen on the
testcases page, this will move the coordinates from the very bottom of the infobox up to just under the map image. Thank you very much!
—
Paine's
Climax
00:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
In the most recent edit I changed the coordinates display parameter to "inline". The reason is that when "title" is used, the infoboxes in the articles don't look good in some
skins. To illustrate this, I added the "display=it" ("it" is a shortcut for "inline/title") back into the
sandbox of this template. Editors will be able to see on the
testcases page that it doesn't look good across all skins. The coordinates appear twice in the infobox in the
MySkin and the
Simple skins, they don't show anywhere in the top of the
Nostalgia skin version, and the title coordinates conflict with lines in the
Modern and the
Vector skins. So I'll leave it up to editors whether or not to switch back to the "display=it" (inline and title) command. Remember, the most important thing is for the articles to look good in the
Monobook skin, which I'll admit, it does look okay in Monobook. Monobook is the skin that all readers use who do not have a Wikipedia account and are not logged in. Here's wishing HAPPY HOLIDAYS! to all!
—
Ellsworth's
Climax
12:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
In the new {{ Infobox German location/sandbox}} version I fixed several inconveniences:
See User:Markussep/sandbox and Template:Infobox German location/testcases. Let me know if you notice any errors, otherwise I'll ask for the changes to go live. Markussep Talk 17:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
{{
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Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will improve the way digital coordinates are handled, and fix some minor issues (see above).
Markussep
Talk
15:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I just tried to put the flag back into the infobox for Cologne, (which was there until recently when it used to use the international infobox) and now this infobox here doesnt give that option. Also, there are plenty of flags in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_of_municipalities_in_North_Rhine-Westphalia and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_of_municipalities_in_Germany, so it might be worth as an optional parameter. 94.220.249.108 ( talk) 14:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
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Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will make it possible to display flags in the infobox, and move the detailed map to a collapsable box.
Markussep
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09:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I made a new {{ Infobox German location/sandbox}} version, that uses (a copy of) the German wikipedia database of population numbers, as of 31 December 2008. They're updated once a year. This new feature uses the "Gemeindeschlüssel" field, which is available in most of the infoboxes that were copied from German wikipedia. I've tried to make it as failsafe as possible, using a maintenance category to track errors. See the Template:Infobox German location/testcases page for examples. These are the changes I made. Comments? Markussep Talk 19:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
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Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will make it possible to use recent population numbers from a sourced database.
Markussep
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20:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
If you're the only one updating the lists, do you have any recommendations for others? – Seeing that it is a lot for one person to be doing, especially since the infoboxes are reliant on your input. Is there anything that I or indeed other members of the project can do to help? Jared Preston ( talk) 22:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
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Please replace this template with the version in the
sandbox. This will add the correct date and reference for the population data.
Markussep
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18:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)