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User:Pchc87 added the "Last win" and "Last Grand Prix" stats to the template recently (but filled in relevant the stats in the Michael Schumacher article only). I have a couple of questions:
Just wondering whether we should remove the "edit" link from the template, to discourage accidental editing and/or vandalism. DH85868993 00:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
While I was watching the Malaysian GP on Sunday, I was curious about the number of starts each driver had done before his first win. This got me thinking that other people might be interested in it as well. Do others think that this would be of enough interest in order to warrant a place in the infobox? If so, would starts before first pole also get a place? Rascalb ( talk) 18:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Must be added the option to reduce image size for files having poor resolution (see the ugly effect at Gerard Larrousse. -- '''Attilios''' ( talk) 21:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed a couple of instances recently where a driver's place of birth has been added to the birth_date field, e.g. here and here. Question 1: Do we want to see place of birth/death included in the F1 driver infobox? Question 2: If yes to question 1, are we happy for that to be achieved using the existing birth_date and death_date fields (as in the linked examples), or would we like to add new birth_place and death_place fields (as in {{ Infobox person}})? Discuss. DH85868993 ( talk) 02:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder if this infobox occupies too much screen space, especially for drivers who didn't achieve much in their F1 career (e.g. Gianmaria Bruni). Would it be preferable to display some of the statistics horizontally and/or provide the ability to hide the statistics, as is done in Template:Infobox motorcycle rider? DH85868993 ( talk) 02:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Some drivers wear characteristic helmets. Can we add a field to allow an image of a driver's helmet colours to be displayed, the same way we show jersey colours for football teams? -- Kwekubo ( talk) 15:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Is it to show how great a driver was? Mean we've been through 3 different point systems since the turn of the century and if it's to show a drivers greatness then it's flawed and irreverent. Mean you used to get a point for 6th then 8th and now 10th. Poles, wins and podiums are a greater marker of a drivers ability rather than the number of points they collected due to the different systems. Disability expert ( talk) 21:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
(moved from
Template talk:Infobox F1 driver/doc)
The formula 1 TV broadcasts use three letter abbreviations for every driver, and have done so for the past fifteen years at least. Wouldn't it make sense to show those abbreviations in the inbox, too?
Yoe (
talk)
12:29, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Note: List of Formula One drivers who have a achievd a podium finish has been nominated for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSSB ( talk • contribs) 12:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I recently created a new F1 list List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish and I noticed that on F1 driver info boxes where it says Wins it links to List of Formula One Grand Prix winners, where it says Pole Positions it links to List of Formula One polesitters etc. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do the same for List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish? SSSB ( talk) 19:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
| label18 = Podiums
| label18 = [[List of Formula One drivers who have a achievd a podium finish|Podiums]]
As we've seen on Tom Pryce talk page, 'Nationality' is offensive to some readers and editors, when used on biogs of drivers from countries such as Wales and Scotland. 'Representing' seems to be a better fit. If there's no objection, I'll change it. Sian EJ ( talk) 10:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see we are now in to the forum shopping part of this debate. Oh dear. There is one major fault with changing 'Nationality' to 'Licence' and that is one of it not being true. Go away and read the FIA International Sporting Code; the codiefied word, the word used in all documentation, and the word used by the vast majority of third party sources is 'Nationality'. In FIA World Championship events it is possible for a driver to hold a licence from one country and for them to be regarded as a 'national' of another, with attendant flag use and national anthem. It is not up to Wikipedia editors to start defining things in different ways simply because a tiny but vocal minority are "offended" by the sky being blue. Pyrop e 12:53, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
A lot of current drivers have websites but there is no way to link to them in the F1 driver infobox as there is in the person infobox. Should a field be added for official websites?
5225C (
talk)
00:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
It has recently come to my attention that the way we use |nationality =
in this infobox violates
MOS:INFOBOXUSE as us it to refer to sporting nationality, but other infoboxes use it to refer to personal nationality. It is therefore necessary for us to change the name of the parameter. I suggest that we change the parameter name to |representing =
. How this appears in the infobox is more complicated, as the idea that drivers represent their nations is disputed (as people argue that aren't explicitly chosen), I therefore suggest that it renders as
Competing as. Any thoughts or alternate suggestions?
SSSB (
talk)
09:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
|f1 nationality =
and continue on our merry way.
5225C (
talk •
contributions)
15:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)I do not understand why we should have engines section (What is next? Tyres? Fuels?), i.e. Ayrton Senna. For me it seems like complete WP:Trivia. Corvus tristis ( talk) 04:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be a field? I was looking at George Russell's stats to see how this had been handled, and was disappointed. Obviously his sprint win doesn't count as a Grand Prix race win, but surely it should be displayed in some way? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 01:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I propose the field Career points (adjusted for [[{{{current season}}} Formula One World Championship|{{{current season}}}]]) with {{{adjusted points}}}, below the current field for career points. These adjusted points can be found on the website formula1points, and grant a better insight into this statistic. 2001:1C03:4013:4900:D3D:209:225B:AF79 ( talk) 15:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
"also a more complete way of comparing newer drivers to their peers." What you would use the info for is irrelevant, the issue is that this stat looks WP:UNDUE - hownuseful you find it individually changes nothing. (As a side note, I think you are hitting on the head why this is uncommon - you can't realiatically compare Prost and Vettel in detail even if they had used the same points systems. The cars were completely different, so were the number of races, the strength of their opposition. This is why GOAT debates happen, there are too many factors for a the GOAT to be an undiputed fact.)
Sprints should be listed separately with sprint poles and sprint race entries and sprint race wins listed separately. PicturePerfect666 ( talk) 18:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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User:Pchc87 added the "Last win" and "Last Grand Prix" stats to the template recently (but filled in relevant the stats in the Michael Schumacher article only). I have a couple of questions:
Just wondering whether we should remove the "edit" link from the template, to discourage accidental editing and/or vandalism. DH85868993 00:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
While I was watching the Malaysian GP on Sunday, I was curious about the number of starts each driver had done before his first win. This got me thinking that other people might be interested in it as well. Do others think that this would be of enough interest in order to warrant a place in the infobox? If so, would starts before first pole also get a place? Rascalb ( talk) 18:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Must be added the option to reduce image size for files having poor resolution (see the ugly effect at Gerard Larrousse. -- '''Attilios''' ( talk) 21:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed a couple of instances recently where a driver's place of birth has been added to the birth_date field, e.g. here and here. Question 1: Do we want to see place of birth/death included in the F1 driver infobox? Question 2: If yes to question 1, are we happy for that to be achieved using the existing birth_date and death_date fields (as in the linked examples), or would we like to add new birth_place and death_place fields (as in {{ Infobox person}})? Discuss. DH85868993 ( talk) 02:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder if this infobox occupies too much screen space, especially for drivers who didn't achieve much in their F1 career (e.g. Gianmaria Bruni). Would it be preferable to display some of the statistics horizontally and/or provide the ability to hide the statistics, as is done in Template:Infobox motorcycle rider? DH85868993 ( talk) 02:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Some drivers wear characteristic helmets. Can we add a field to allow an image of a driver's helmet colours to be displayed, the same way we show jersey colours for football teams? -- Kwekubo ( talk) 15:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Is it to show how great a driver was? Mean we've been through 3 different point systems since the turn of the century and if it's to show a drivers greatness then it's flawed and irreverent. Mean you used to get a point for 6th then 8th and now 10th. Poles, wins and podiums are a greater marker of a drivers ability rather than the number of points they collected due to the different systems. Disability expert ( talk) 21:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
(moved from
Template talk:Infobox F1 driver/doc)
The formula 1 TV broadcasts use three letter abbreviations for every driver, and have done so for the past fifteen years at least. Wouldn't it make sense to show those abbreviations in the inbox, too?
Yoe (
talk)
12:29, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Note: List of Formula One drivers who have a achievd a podium finish has been nominated for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSSB ( talk • contribs) 12:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I recently created a new F1 list List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish and I noticed that on F1 driver info boxes where it says Wins it links to List of Formula One Grand Prix winners, where it says Pole Positions it links to List of Formula One polesitters etc. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to do the same for List of Formula One drivers who have achieved a podium finish? SSSB ( talk) 19:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
| label18 = Podiums
| label18 = [[List of Formula One drivers who have a achievd a podium finish|Podiums]]
As we've seen on Tom Pryce talk page, 'Nationality' is offensive to some readers and editors, when used on biogs of drivers from countries such as Wales and Scotland. 'Representing' seems to be a better fit. If there's no objection, I'll change it. Sian EJ ( talk) 10:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see we are now in to the forum shopping part of this debate. Oh dear. There is one major fault with changing 'Nationality' to 'Licence' and that is one of it not being true. Go away and read the FIA International Sporting Code; the codiefied word, the word used in all documentation, and the word used by the vast majority of third party sources is 'Nationality'. In FIA World Championship events it is possible for a driver to hold a licence from one country and for them to be regarded as a 'national' of another, with attendant flag use and national anthem. It is not up to Wikipedia editors to start defining things in different ways simply because a tiny but vocal minority are "offended" by the sky being blue. Pyrop e 12:53, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
A lot of current drivers have websites but there is no way to link to them in the F1 driver infobox as there is in the person infobox. Should a field be added for official websites?
5225C (
talk)
00:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
It has recently come to my attention that the way we use |nationality =
in this infobox violates
MOS:INFOBOXUSE as us it to refer to sporting nationality, but other infoboxes use it to refer to personal nationality. It is therefore necessary for us to change the name of the parameter. I suggest that we change the parameter name to |representing =
. How this appears in the infobox is more complicated, as the idea that drivers represent their nations is disputed (as people argue that aren't explicitly chosen), I therefore suggest that it renders as
Competing as. Any thoughts or alternate suggestions?
SSSB (
talk)
09:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
|f1 nationality =
and continue on our merry way.
5225C (
talk •
contributions)
15:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)I do not understand why we should have engines section (What is next? Tyres? Fuels?), i.e. Ayrton Senna. For me it seems like complete WP:Trivia. Corvus tristis ( talk) 04:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be a field? I was looking at George Russell's stats to see how this had been handled, and was disappointed. Obviously his sprint win doesn't count as a Grand Prix race win, but surely it should be displayed in some way? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 01:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I propose the field Career points (adjusted for [[{{{current season}}} Formula One World Championship|{{{current season}}}]]) with {{{adjusted points}}}, below the current field for career points. These adjusted points can be found on the website formula1points, and grant a better insight into this statistic. 2001:1C03:4013:4900:D3D:209:225B:AF79 ( talk) 15:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
"also a more complete way of comparing newer drivers to their peers." What you would use the info for is irrelevant, the issue is that this stat looks WP:UNDUE - hownuseful you find it individually changes nothing. (As a side note, I think you are hitting on the head why this is uncommon - you can't realiatically compare Prost and Vettel in detail even if they had used the same points systems. The cars were completely different, so were the number of races, the strength of their opposition. This is why GOAT debates happen, there are too many factors for a the GOAT to be an undiputed fact.)
Sprints should be listed separately with sprint poles and sprint race entries and sprint race wins listed separately. PicturePerfect666 ( talk) 18:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)