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In most cases where this template is used, it is counterproductive. I'm not only talking about the many display issues others mentioned above. But let's take a look at what it actually does: Its main function is displaying a tool tip saying "Pronunciation in IPA". Now let's look at the different cases when it is used, and if it makes sense.
Can anybody point to a really useful application of this template? If not then I'd propose to delete it. — Sebastian 05:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
<span class="IPA">
, or some other HTML element with the attribute.class="IPA"
added to the table attributes, instead of using multiple instances of template:IPA.<span class="IPA">
was very helpful. That settles the matter for the big tables. I overlooked that the class property was part of the template, too. I now see that the template has some use.We need it because Template:IPA is used for both screen output and print output. Observe:
We need custom anchors, so we can't use IPA2 or IPA3 in all cases. Sometimes you want to use square brackets instead of slashes as well. It's also nice to provide a visual cue on the IPA transcription itself, because that's where people would most likely point to first when they see something they don't recognize. -- Kjoon lee 10:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
There's one think I don't understand, though. Look, Template:IPA doesn't interfere with link titles. [ʃ] -- Kjoon lee 11:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The following was a reply to Sebastian's message of 15:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC); this headline was inserted after the reply.
There's still the problem with custom anchors for links. Sometimes you might want to link to different articles for different languages. You can't use custom link text (anchors) with the numbered templates, which is something you haven't addressed yet. There's also the problem between phonetic [] and phonemic // transcription, which both need to be available as choices. The IPA2 and IPA2 use only one variant each. As for combining the IPA with links,
<span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA"><a href="/info/en/?search=%C6%A9" title="Ʃ">[ʃ]</a></span> <a href="/info/en/?search=%C6%A9" title="Ʃ"><span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">[ʃ]</span></a>
I think the former (from [ʃ]) results in more elegant code. -- Kjoon lee 17:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, we don't have font names in the template anymore. I've updated bits of the talk page, and I would appreciate some help with this page and Template:IPA/doc. Thank you. :) -- Kjoon lee 16:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Please change the span title to "Pronunciation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" instead of "Pronunciation in IPA". —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)›
03:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually scratch that; let's change it to "Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" which is actually correct, and won't frustrate readers who think that if only they can try to click on the pop-up tooltip fast enough that they'll actually get to hear the pronunciation. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 03:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | ← | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 |
In most cases where this template is used, it is counterproductive. I'm not only talking about the many display issues others mentioned above. But let's take a look at what it actually does: Its main function is displaying a tool tip saying "Pronunciation in IPA". Now let's look at the different cases when it is used, and if it makes sense.
Can anybody point to a really useful application of this template? If not then I'd propose to delete it. — Sebastian 05:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
<span class="IPA">
, or some other HTML element with the attribute.class="IPA"
added to the table attributes, instead of using multiple instances of template:IPA.<span class="IPA">
was very helpful. That settles the matter for the big tables. I overlooked that the class property was part of the template, too. I now see that the template has some use.We need it because Template:IPA is used for both screen output and print output. Observe:
We need custom anchors, so we can't use IPA2 or IPA3 in all cases. Sometimes you want to use square brackets instead of slashes as well. It's also nice to provide a visual cue on the IPA transcription itself, because that's where people would most likely point to first when they see something they don't recognize. -- Kjoon lee 10:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
There's one think I don't understand, though. Look, Template:IPA doesn't interfere with link titles. [ʃ] -- Kjoon lee 11:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The following was a reply to Sebastian's message of 15:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC); this headline was inserted after the reply.
There's still the problem with custom anchors for links. Sometimes you might want to link to different articles for different languages. You can't use custom link text (anchors) with the numbered templates, which is something you haven't addressed yet. There's also the problem between phonetic [] and phonemic // transcription, which both need to be available as choices. The IPA2 and IPA2 use only one variant each. As for combining the IPA with links,
<span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA"><a href="/info/en/?search=%C6%A9" title="Ʃ">[ʃ]</a></span> <a href="/info/en/?search=%C6%A9" title="Ʃ"><span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA">[ʃ]</span></a>
I think the former (from [ʃ]) results in more elegant code. -- Kjoon lee 17:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, we don't have font names in the template anymore. I've updated bits of the talk page, and I would appreciate some help with this page and Template:IPA/doc. Thank you. :) -- Kjoon lee 16:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
{{
Editprotected}}
Please change the span title to "Pronunciation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" instead of "Pronunciation in IPA". —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)›
03:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually scratch that; let's change it to "Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" which is actually correct, and won't frustrate readers who think that if only they can try to click on the pop-up tooltip fast enough that they'll actually get to hear the pronunciation. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 03:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)