This template is a great start. Thank you.
But it is going to get very cluttered with lines looking like:
Psalm 103 (102) Nun lob, mein Seel, den Herren (My Soul, Now Bless Thy Maker) Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven
referring to multiple items, some themselves containing the awkward "German text (English text)".
This is the English-language Wikipedia. Might I suggest that the principle items be English-language articles texts, and that any non-English articles be in a sublist.
This revision and this revision (based on one example entry) demonstrate two possibilities.
Feline Hymnic ( talk) 16:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Presumably the intention of the template is to include hymns and songs that feature in hymnals etc. for Christian worship. But at some point, questions will arise about other songs that may be outside that. For instance Rivers of Babylon. Should this be included (and why) or excluded (and why)? Is a set of inclusion criteria needed? Feline Hymnic ( talk) 16:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
How about the two hymns inspired by Psalm 8? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Instead of linking to the psalm encylopedia articles, why not link to Wikisource? I used the King James, but they also have a s:Bible_(World_English)/Psalms, and I would be fine with that, too. I put in Psalm 24 using the :s: template, so you can see if you like it our not.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 19:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, there are rules about it. No external links (that is external to English Wikipedia) in navboxes. Navboxes are for going from one English Wikipedia article to another. A few exceptions are maybe possible, but not like that. Why do I have to say things twice?
I think the same misunderstanding is still going on, about which I told elsewhere earlier today: navboxes are *not* glorified structured lists. They are what their name says: navigational aids. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 21:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Here are some possibilities. Nearly all come from an online database, some are based both on a psalm and on other Bible passages. I only listed the Psalms. I do not expect you to use all of these, it would overload the template. Rather, it is something for you to comb through.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 21:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Te Deum 89:26 Kyrie 51:1 Great Is Thy Faithfulness Psalm 89:1-2 On Eagle's Wings Psalm 91 The Hymn of Joy Psalm 5:11 and Psalm 8:3 Savior, Like a Shepherd Lead us Psalm 23 Lord of All Hopefulness Psalm 55:16-17 St_Clement_(hymn_tune) (The Day Thou Gavest) Psalm 113:2-4 God of Our Fathers Psalm 44:1-8 Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise Psalm 104:1-5, 31-35 Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne Psalm 145, Psalm 33, Psalm 40:5 (know only from translation, haven't checked the German) Pange lingua gloriosi proelium certaminis (Sing, My Tongue, the Glorious Battle) Psalm 98:1-2 Bereden väg för Herran (Prepare the Royal Highway) Psalm 24:7-10 Onward, Christian Soldiers Psalm 145:13 Finlandia_hymn#"Be_Still,_My_Soul" Psalm 42:4-11, Psalm 46:10 Doxology#"Praise_God,_from_whom_all_blessings_flow" Psalm 150 Wer weiß, wie nahe mir mein Ende Psalm 90:12 Our God, Our Help in Ages Past Psalm 90 and Psalm 46:1-3 God's Word Is Our Great Heritage Psalm 119:105, 111 Abide with Me Psalm 63:6-8, Psalm 73:23-26 All Creatures of Our God and King Psalm 65:8-13 All Glory, Laud and Honour Psalm 118:26 and Psalm 24:7-9 Praise to the Lord, the Almighty Psalm 103:1-11, Psalm 106:48 (or list as Lobe den Herren, den mächtigen König der Ehren ?) The God of Abraham Praise Psalm 142:4-6, Psalm 9:7-11 Brightest and Best of the Stars of the Morning Psalm 51:17 Ride On, Ride On in Majesty! Psalm 118:25-26 O Sacred Head, Now Wounded Psalm 22:6-8 Jesus Christ Is Risen Today Psalm 98 Holy God, We Praise Thy Name (or Großer Gott, wir loben dich ?) Psalm 31:1-4 Wir glauben all an einen Gott Psalm 145:15-16 Love Divine, All Loves Excelling Psalm 85:7-8 The King of Love My Shepherd Is Psalm 23 Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken Psalm 87, Psalm 48:1-14, Psalm 132:13-18 If Thou But Trust in God to Guide Thee / Wer nur den lieben Gott läßt walten Psalm 55:22 As Pants the Hart (Handel) Psalm 42 Erhalt uns, Herr, bei deinem Wort / Lord, Keep Us Steadfast in Your Word Psalm 119:5-10 How Great Thou Art Psalm 8 Lofsöngur Psalm 90 |
This is tangential to the template, raised here because participants seem interested in the topics of sung versions of the Psalms.
Should there be a WP article on the 2012 book " Psalms for All Seasons"? This USA publication seems to be quite widely known even over here in the UK, but could we find sufficient published independent reliable sources? Would it pass WP's notability guidelines? Or would any attempt to produce such an article not stand much chance of survival? Feline Hymnic ( talk) 11:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
It seems to me that there are likely hundreds, if not thousands, of hymns and songs that are based on Psalms, even in the strictest sense that they must be "based on" rather than just "include verses from". As such, this project is a very long way from completion, currently consisting of just over 20 hymns and songs (most of which are German, for some reason which is not particularly clear).
Given that the vast majority of Psalm articles already have a section for "hymns and musical settings" or something to that effect, which each tend to include a decent number of examples, I would suggest that we just use the Psalm articles themselves for listing musical uses, rather than copying out hundreds and hundreds of musical settings into this one unwieldy template. At the moment, it just looks rather bizarre to see the template on just a small handful of Psalm articles, almost laughably suggesting that "this Psalm and 20 others are the only ones to have been set to music, and each has only been set to music once or at most twice". For this reason, I'd suggest we consider deleting this template. Jel3456 ( talk) 18:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Re.
-- Francis Schonken ( talk) 04:45, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Re. "What's the intended purpose of the navbox?" – Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates might clarify (in a general way) the intended purpose of navboxes, like this one. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
This template is a great start. Thank you.
But it is going to get very cluttered with lines looking like:
Psalm 103 (102) Nun lob, mein Seel, den Herren (My Soul, Now Bless Thy Maker) Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven
referring to multiple items, some themselves containing the awkward "German text (English text)".
This is the English-language Wikipedia. Might I suggest that the principle items be English-language articles texts, and that any non-English articles be in a sublist.
This revision and this revision (based on one example entry) demonstrate two possibilities.
Feline Hymnic ( talk) 16:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Presumably the intention of the template is to include hymns and songs that feature in hymnals etc. for Christian worship. But at some point, questions will arise about other songs that may be outside that. For instance Rivers of Babylon. Should this be included (and why) or excluded (and why)? Is a set of inclusion criteria needed? Feline Hymnic ( talk) 16:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
How about the two hymns inspired by Psalm 8? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:49, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Instead of linking to the psalm encylopedia articles, why not link to Wikisource? I used the King James, but they also have a s:Bible_(World_English)/Psalms, and I would be fine with that, too. I put in Psalm 24 using the :s: template, so you can see if you like it our not.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 19:40, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, there are rules about it. No external links (that is external to English Wikipedia) in navboxes. Navboxes are for going from one English Wikipedia article to another. A few exceptions are maybe possible, but not like that. Why do I have to say things twice?
I think the same misunderstanding is still going on, about which I told elsewhere earlier today: navboxes are *not* glorified structured lists. They are what their name says: navigational aids. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 21:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Here are some possibilities. Nearly all come from an online database, some are based both on a psalm and on other Bible passages. I only listed the Psalms. I do not expect you to use all of these, it would overload the template. Rather, it is something for you to comb through.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 21:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Extended content
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Te Deum 89:26 Kyrie 51:1 Great Is Thy Faithfulness Psalm 89:1-2 On Eagle's Wings Psalm 91 The Hymn of Joy Psalm 5:11 and Psalm 8:3 Savior, Like a Shepherd Lead us Psalm 23 Lord of All Hopefulness Psalm 55:16-17 St_Clement_(hymn_tune) (The Day Thou Gavest) Psalm 113:2-4 God of Our Fathers Psalm 44:1-8 Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise Psalm 104:1-5, 31-35 Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne Psalm 145, Psalm 33, Psalm 40:5 (know only from translation, haven't checked the German) Pange lingua gloriosi proelium certaminis (Sing, My Tongue, the Glorious Battle) Psalm 98:1-2 Bereden väg för Herran (Prepare the Royal Highway) Psalm 24:7-10 Onward, Christian Soldiers Psalm 145:13 Finlandia_hymn#"Be_Still,_My_Soul" Psalm 42:4-11, Psalm 46:10 Doxology#"Praise_God,_from_whom_all_blessings_flow" Psalm 150 Wer weiß, wie nahe mir mein Ende Psalm 90:12 Our God, Our Help in Ages Past Psalm 90 and Psalm 46:1-3 God's Word Is Our Great Heritage Psalm 119:105, 111 Abide with Me Psalm 63:6-8, Psalm 73:23-26 All Creatures of Our God and King Psalm 65:8-13 All Glory, Laud and Honour Psalm 118:26 and Psalm 24:7-9 Praise to the Lord, the Almighty Psalm 103:1-11, Psalm 106:48 (or list as Lobe den Herren, den mächtigen König der Ehren ?) The God of Abraham Praise Psalm 142:4-6, Psalm 9:7-11 Brightest and Best of the Stars of the Morning Psalm 51:17 Ride On, Ride On in Majesty! Psalm 118:25-26 O Sacred Head, Now Wounded Psalm 22:6-8 Jesus Christ Is Risen Today Psalm 98 Holy God, We Praise Thy Name (or Großer Gott, wir loben dich ?) Psalm 31:1-4 Wir glauben all an einen Gott Psalm 145:15-16 Love Divine, All Loves Excelling Psalm 85:7-8 The King of Love My Shepherd Is Psalm 23 Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken Psalm 87, Psalm 48:1-14, Psalm 132:13-18 If Thou But Trust in God to Guide Thee / Wer nur den lieben Gott läßt walten Psalm 55:22 As Pants the Hart (Handel) Psalm 42 Erhalt uns, Herr, bei deinem Wort / Lord, Keep Us Steadfast in Your Word Psalm 119:5-10 How Great Thou Art Psalm 8 Lofsöngur Psalm 90 |
This is tangential to the template, raised here because participants seem interested in the topics of sung versions of the Psalms.
Should there be a WP article on the 2012 book " Psalms for All Seasons"? This USA publication seems to be quite widely known even over here in the UK, but could we find sufficient published independent reliable sources? Would it pass WP's notability guidelines? Or would any attempt to produce such an article not stand much chance of survival? Feline Hymnic ( talk) 11:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
It seems to me that there are likely hundreds, if not thousands, of hymns and songs that are based on Psalms, even in the strictest sense that they must be "based on" rather than just "include verses from". As such, this project is a very long way from completion, currently consisting of just over 20 hymns and songs (most of which are German, for some reason which is not particularly clear).
Given that the vast majority of Psalm articles already have a section for "hymns and musical settings" or something to that effect, which each tend to include a decent number of examples, I would suggest that we just use the Psalm articles themselves for listing musical uses, rather than copying out hundreds and hundreds of musical settings into this one unwieldy template. At the moment, it just looks rather bizarre to see the template on just a small handful of Psalm articles, almost laughably suggesting that "this Psalm and 20 others are the only ones to have been set to music, and each has only been set to music once or at most twice". For this reason, I'd suggest we consider deleting this template. Jel3456 ( talk) 18:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Re.
-- Francis Schonken ( talk) 04:45, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Re. "What's the intended purpose of the navbox?" – Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates might clarify (in a general way) the intended purpose of navboxes, like this one. -- Francis Schonken ( talk) 05:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)