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I have no real idea how the tree should look, only being a casual fan and all, so if it's wrong in any way, please feel free to correct, it was just unbearable to look at as it was. Poulsen 18:10, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I think the numerous issues surrounding the 'three unions' are too complicated to cover as an 'aside' in this template and thus the statement ought to be removed and covered fully in the Half-elven article.
It is just too much to explain that Imrazor/Mithrellas doesn't count because Mithrellas wasn't an 'Eldar' under the later 'Calaquendi' meaning of the term, Beren/Luthien does count because Luthien was born an 'elf' (though half-Maia) even though she had become mortal by the time she had Dior, Brandir and other half-elves mentioned in passing don't count either because they are from outdated drafts or presumably non 'Eldar' parents, Aragorn/Arwen does count even though Arwen was technically a half-elf who chose mortality and married a human - presumably because she had lived so long as an 'elf' before choosing mortality, and Dior/Nimloth - Earendil/Elwing - Elrond/Celebrian - Elros/Unnamed human wife don't count - presumably because the half-elves in those cases made their choices much earlier.
That's alot of twists and turns to maintain the 'only three unions' bit. Making the simple statement that 'there were only three' will just continue to attract contradiction and it doesn't make sense to explain the complex rationales behind it on this page. -- CBDunkerson 15:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The current preformatted text is rather ugly, so I had a go at replicating the family tree using the familytree template, like Template:Fëanor. It ended up being rather wide and long. Ideas for improvement are welcome. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Dammit! I didn't see this before. Nice waste of time. :/ -- Jordi· ✆ 17:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why are parts of this chart italicized? There appears to be no rhyme or reason to it, at least none that is readily discernable to the reader, which pretty much makes it useless and confusing even if it means something to the creator of the template. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
It has been suggested by Pb8bije6a7b6a3w at Talk:Beren to add some modifications to the template denoting half-elves, men, elves, etc. So I've made a test version with colour codes in my user sandbox. But there may be two problems: it may not be very indicative for colour-blind people, and I'm not sure whether there should be additional colours for Elrond's family so as to reflect their final choices. E.g. Elrond chose to become an elf while Arwen became a mortal to marry Aragorn; and the choice of her brothers is completely unknown. In general I do like the idea though. De728631 ( talk) 16:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
{{half-elven}}
to any articles where you think this should be displayed.
De728631 (
talk)
19:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)If you're going to use cross-hatching, may I suggest we do it in a way that is more than decorative? I don't quite see the purpose of it now. It would make more sense to do green/white cross-hatching for the half-elves, with some clear distinction as to the fate they chose. Double sharp ( talk) 03:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I made a few changes to the sandbox to try to make it a little easier for people with full color vision to read, while maintaining a bit of the cross-hatching for contrast. I also made the table structure more consistent to make future editing a bit easier. If nobody objects after a reasonable period, I'll apply it for real. — Xaonon ( Talk) 00:40, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
IP 99.111.205.17 wrote the following into the main template page: "This script does not display properly for some browsers and should be updated or replaced with an image file." Unfortunately they didn't mention what went wrong while displaying the template and which browsers are affected. I'm using Firefox 26 and I'm not having any problems here. De728631 ( talk) 17:53, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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I have no real idea how the tree should look, only being a casual fan and all, so if it's wrong in any way, please feel free to correct, it was just unbearable to look at as it was. Poulsen 18:10, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I think the numerous issues surrounding the 'three unions' are too complicated to cover as an 'aside' in this template and thus the statement ought to be removed and covered fully in the Half-elven article.
It is just too much to explain that Imrazor/Mithrellas doesn't count because Mithrellas wasn't an 'Eldar' under the later 'Calaquendi' meaning of the term, Beren/Luthien does count because Luthien was born an 'elf' (though half-Maia) even though she had become mortal by the time she had Dior, Brandir and other half-elves mentioned in passing don't count either because they are from outdated drafts or presumably non 'Eldar' parents, Aragorn/Arwen does count even though Arwen was technically a half-elf who chose mortality and married a human - presumably because she had lived so long as an 'elf' before choosing mortality, and Dior/Nimloth - Earendil/Elwing - Elrond/Celebrian - Elros/Unnamed human wife don't count - presumably because the half-elves in those cases made their choices much earlier.
That's alot of twists and turns to maintain the 'only three unions' bit. Making the simple statement that 'there were only three' will just continue to attract contradiction and it doesn't make sense to explain the complex rationales behind it on this page. -- CBDunkerson 15:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The current preformatted text is rather ugly, so I had a go at replicating the family tree using the familytree template, like Template:Fëanor. It ended up being rather wide and long. Ideas for improvement are welcome. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Dammit! I didn't see this before. Nice waste of time. :/ -- Jordi· ✆ 17:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why are parts of this chart italicized? There appears to be no rhyme or reason to it, at least none that is readily discernable to the reader, which pretty much makes it useless and confusing even if it means something to the creator of the template. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
It has been suggested by Pb8bije6a7b6a3w at Talk:Beren to add some modifications to the template denoting half-elves, men, elves, etc. So I've made a test version with colour codes in my user sandbox. But there may be two problems: it may not be very indicative for colour-blind people, and I'm not sure whether there should be additional colours for Elrond's family so as to reflect their final choices. E.g. Elrond chose to become an elf while Arwen became a mortal to marry Aragorn; and the choice of her brothers is completely unknown. In general I do like the idea though. De728631 ( talk) 16:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
{{half-elven}}
to any articles where you think this should be displayed.
De728631 (
talk)
19:52, 14 May 2013 (UTC)If you're going to use cross-hatching, may I suggest we do it in a way that is more than decorative? I don't quite see the purpose of it now. It would make more sense to do green/white cross-hatching for the half-elves, with some clear distinction as to the fate they chose. Double sharp ( talk) 03:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I made a few changes to the sandbox to try to make it a little easier for people with full color vision to read, while maintaining a bit of the cross-hatching for contrast. I also made the table structure more consistent to make future editing a bit easier. If nobody objects after a reasonable period, I'll apply it for real. — Xaonon ( Talk) 00:40, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
IP 99.111.205.17 wrote the following into the main template page: "This script does not display properly for some browsers and should be updated or replaced with an image file." Unfortunately they didn't mention what went wrong while displaying the template and which browsers are affected. I'm using Firefox 26 and I'm not having any problems here. De728631 ( talk) 17:53, 8 February 2014 (UTC)