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I'm having a little trouble with this one, so maybe someone can shed some light on it. When looking up original episode titles for anime, it's relatively easy since we have Anime News Network or the anime's official website to check for that, but for the original titles for the manga, I am finding it next to impossible to find original titles for Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl, and I'm sure it'll be just as bad for any other manga out there. What I want to know is, is there someway to make finding these original titles easier, or will 99% of manga chapter lists not include them?-- 十 八 21:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Lovely Complex#manga -- putting it in action with a list of just dates/ISBNs, and there's a big gap above the table -- one that grows, proportional to the number of rows used. — Quasirandom ( talk) 04:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
VolumeExtras doesn't seem to work as described. The template page says about VolumeExtras "If ChapterList is defined, this will occupy just under half its row; otherwise, it will occupy an entire row.". That isn't the case at the moment, instead the row seems to be missing. See List_of_Battle_Angel_Alita_chapters, which has VolumeExtras for every volume, but only those with ChapterList are currently displaying. 131.217.6.6 ( talk) 09:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
While doing a little research into ISBNs, I came across this entry on Amazon.co.jp for the first Kashimashi manga volume which lists two ISBNs: ISBN-10 and ISBN-13. What I want to know is what is the difference between these two, and which one should I use in a manga list (or should I just list both?).-- 十 八 11:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I just love making new discussions (laugh). I have a question as to how long the summaries should be. Should we try to keep them as relatively short as the typical episode summaries for anime episodes, therefore only 4-5 lines of text on average? I have found this to be incredibly difficult to do for manga summaries since most manga volumes contain around 6 chapters each, and writing a concise summary of the entire volume with six (on average) different stories is rather rough compared to the singular story of a single anime episode. I checked WP:NOVSTY#Plot summary which states "Size of the plot summary should be roughly proportional to the size of the plot. This is not always equivalent to the length of the work, since some plots are complex and dense while others are simple and straight-forward." Since the plot for six chapters combined comes out to be rather long and detailed, is it alright to write a summary which touches upon the important points of each chapter? In doing so, I can tell that it would take on average 10 sentences for a 6 chapter volume in order to write a concise summary of the entire volume, but this ends up looking rather bloated next to the summaries of anime episodes. So what's the guideline for this?-- 十 八 04:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
How should we handle titles of individual volumes? Most don't have them, but several of Watase's works do (FY, Ceres, Imadoki), as do some other series (Kenshin, etc). Putting with them the volume number results in a weird looking table. For FY, I've tried putting it as part of the volume extras, as one possible idea. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 04:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Should we give volume titles their own parameter? They seem to appear enough to warrant their own row. Maybe. — TangentCube, Dialogues 21:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I've no idea why but on [ this edit] the entry for the 3rd volume is breaking the table. Purging and previewing all show the same thing. it's not down to length, and I've checked the fields and formatting and don't see any issues. I've reverted to the next revision, where I removed the summary for the time being (my saved fixes after that weren't working). I'd appreciate feedback on the problem, it may just be wikipedia being rubbish randomly. I did fill the field with random data as a test, and had no problems. I also added half of the summary and had no problems, it's only when using the full summary that I have a problem. I've moved the summary to sandbox in the meantime. Dandy Sephy ( talk) 04:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
FYI, {{ Graphic novel list/sublist}} and {{ Graphic novel list/sublist/header}} can now be used to transclude this template in a manner similar to the way it is possible with {{ Japanese episode list/sublist}}. You can see it in action at List of One Piece manga volumes. Happy transcluding. -- Goodraise ( talk) 18:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the term "chapter" a bit of a misnomer, here? I would think "episode" is more accurate. Erigu ( talk) 01:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe I was trying to redefine "chapter"... Or at the very least, I don't believe I disagree with the definition you linked to... Maybe it was a bad choice of words on my part... What I meant was that sections like "chapters", "acts" or "arcs" can be of varying lengths within a given work, and that length is primarily motivated by the developments in the story. Whereas "episodes" (generally) are all of the same length for a given work, a length primarily motivated by the fact these sections are serialized (<- which, I think, would be the keyword, here). Basically, like your definition says, "episodes" are "installments" ( parts of a broadcast or published serial), whereas "chapters" aren't necessarily "installments". The former refers specifically to serialized works, and the latter doesn't. Here, it seems clear to me that we're talking about the former. Hence my initial comment. Erigu ( talk) 17:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I emphatically disagree with your assertion that "chapter divisions are primarily related to the plot, not publishing or broadcasting concerns" Well. Maybe I shouldn't have put it like that. Let's just say that "episode" specifically refers to installments of a serialized work, whereas "chapter" doesn't. That makes "episode" a better-fitted term for serialized installments. Using "chapter" in its stead can easily lead to some issues, as I demonstrated above with Berserk, and then again with the very examples you mentioned (Dumas and Dickens). I don't want to belabor this point; if dictionaries won't convince you, I'm not sure what will.I don't remember disagreeing with a dictionary definition so far.Aside: not all manga chapters are called "wa", which throws a wrench into your "original term" argument. I know that, and even mentioned an alternate term earlier ("kai"). Same thing for TV episodes, actually. But I fail to see how that "throws a wrench" into my argument, which is that "episode" is a better-fitted term for serialized installments than "chapter" is. I hope you're not advocating that we keep all these different terms. Of course not, as we're talking about a template and the overall terminology to use, here. Erigu ( talk) 07:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Installments can be chapters in and of themselves, or they can be composed of chapters; no problem. I see where you're coming from, but I think you're trying a bit too hard to line things up precisely. I can play the same game, which is why I pointed out that magazine installments of Berserk are chapters by definition.I object to "episode" in this context because it's just not common usage for print media. And there's also the unquantifiable factor of it "not sounding right"... you know, "iwakan". "Installment" would be fine, though I still think the distinction is unnecessary. When you say you want to include stuff like omake in a volume/chapter list, I'm not sure what purpose that would serve. But let's get back to your Berserk example. I would translate "hen" to "saga" or "arc" in this context. "shō" is a bit harder to find a nice word for: section? part? narrative? You wanted to translate "shō" to "chapter", but a "chapter" that spans several volumes, as is the case in Berserk, makes absolutely no sense. It just doesn't work. - mak o 10:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Just an example that would be less prosaic than "section". You seem to be holding on to your peculiar conception of "chapter". Have you encountered "chapters" anywhere in print (besides Berserk) that extend beyond a single volume? Is it really that common to have shō in a manga series? I do not recall any other work that further divides its plot arcs into shō. I have noticed several hen, but every example is a separate serialization. - mak o 10:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I suggest using "publication date" rather than "release date". - mak o 07:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Since the common practice is to use definition list formatting in VolumeExtras, I propose that ChapterList be modified to follow suit. The disparity in looks is most apparent in skins like Cologne Blue; however, Monobook and the newer skins will also show a slight difference in where "Chapter list" is positioned. The relevant change can be seen in this sandbox diff. 67.175.50.253 ( talk) 02:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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Is there any reason for this not to be changed to a definition term (via a semicolon) to match current practice on listing cover characters? 「
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05:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)...so, nobody's going to do this? 67.175.50.253 ( talk) 06:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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19:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)I think I came with this some time ago, but just in case: Since volume title is now the only thing we use for volume extras I thought that it could be moved along with the other chapters like this. Then chapter list could be renamed to content and volume title and chapter title could be used below.
That's just something I wanted to show. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 02:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
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1 | "The Tests of the Ninja" "Uzumaki Naruto!!" (うずまきナルト!!) |
March 3, 2000 ISBN 4-08-872840-7 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum |
August 16, 2003 ISBN 1-56931-900-6 |
2 | "The Worst Client" "Saiaku no irainin" (最悪の依頼人) |
June 2, 2000 ISBN 4-08-872878-0 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum |
December 26, 2003 ISBN 1-59116-178-9 |
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1 | "The Tests of the Ninja" "Uzumaki Naruto!!" (うずまきナルト!!) |
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For the first twelve years of his life, Naruto Uzumaki had to live a life without parents and endure the apparent unsolicited hate from the villagers of Konohagakure, never knowing what it was like to be loved or have friends as a result. On the day that he learns that the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox was sealed within him soon after his birth and is the reason he is alone in the world, Naruto's fortunes begin to change. In addition to finding a father-figure in the form of Iruka Umino, Naruto achieves his dream by finally becoming a ninja. In doing so, Naruto is added to Team 7 along with Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruno under the leadership of Kakashi Hatake. To see whether or not the three are ready to become ninja, Kakashi administers a test to see if they have what it takes. Each fails independently, leading Kakashi to believe they will never become ninja. | |||||
2 | "The Worst Client" "Saiaku no irainin" (最悪の依頼人) |
June 2, 2000 ISBN 4-08-872878-0 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum |
December 26, 2003 ISBN 1-59116-178-9 | ||
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Kakashi advises the three to start focusing on the team's well-being instead of their own, and in doing so they are able to pass the test. As one of the team's first missions, they are assigned to to escort a man named Tazuna to the Land of Waves. Along the way, the group is attacked by Zabuza Momochi, an assassin sent to kill Tazuna. Kakashi, with the help of Naruto, Sasuke, and his own Sharingan eye, is able to defeat Zabuza. Before he can finish Zabuza off, however, a masked boy named Haku arrives to take him away. In preparation for another of Zabuza's attacks, Kakashi decides to train Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. |
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1 | March 3, 2000 | ISBN 4-08-872840-7 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum | August 16, 2003 | ISBN 1-56931-900-6 | ||
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For the first twelve years of his life, Naruto Uzumaki had to live a life without parents and endure the apparent unsolicited hate from the villagers of Konohagakure, never knowing what it was like to be loved or have friends as a result. On the day that he learns that the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox was sealed within him soon after his birth and is the reason he is alone in the world, Naruto's fortunes begin to change. In addition to finding a father-figure in the form of Iruka Umino, Naruto achieves his dream by finally becoming a ninja. In doing so, Naruto is added to Team 7 along with Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruno under the leadership of Kakashi Hatake. To see whether or not the three are ready to become ninja, Kakashi administers a test to see if they have what it takes. Each fails independently, leading Kakashi to believe they will never become ninja. | ||||||
2 | June 2, 2000 | ISBN 4-08-872878-0 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum | December 26, 2003 | ISBN 1-59116-178-9 | ||
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Kakashi advises the three to start focusing on the team's well-being instead of their own, and in doing so they are able to pass the test. As one of the team's first missions, they are assigned to to escort a man named Tazuna to the Land of Waves. Along the way, the group is attacked by Zabuza Momochi, an assassin sent to kill Tazuna. Kakashi, with the help of Naruto, Sasuke, and his own Sharingan eye, is able to defeat Zabuza. Before he can finish Zabuza off, however, a masked boy named Haku arrives to take him away. In preparation for another of Zabuza's attacks, Kakashi decides to train Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. |
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, I'll probably be all for it, though (balancing columns would be a breeze - simply move the second parameter call up or down in the list). One other thing I'm not liking (but this is really nitpicking, so feel free to ignore me) is that in the with-titles example, the bullets in the second column line up really nicely with the boundary between columns (on this 1440x900 monitor, at least), but in the sans-title example, they fall a little to the left of the boundary. It would look much better if the right line of bullets got offset to the right by 2% (and, to keep everything looking nice, the with-titles case would require the date/ISBN columns to be reduced from 25% to 24% each). 「
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I've went ahead and synced the main template, its header, and the documentation with what I put together in the sandboxes. I'm fairly confident that this won't cause major breakage, but if it does, make sure to revert my changes to both the main and the header template. To aid in the transition, I've created two categories that the template populates with pages in need of updating: Category:Articles still using VolumeExtras and Category:Articles still using OneLanguage. Articles in the former category may contain slightly ugly tables. Articles in the later will only have unnecessarily long source code. Good raise 09:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
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is undefined, and preventing floating elements (images and infoboxes) from overlapping the table). Feel free to revert or further tweak any of my changes; I'll take a closer look at the code later to see if I can make any actual code improvements. 「
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|OriginalTitle=
cannot be automatically italicized, because Kanji titles for example are not supposed to be in italics. The documentation says to use |TranslitTitle=
in case transliteration is unnecessary. It's not the most intuitive solution, I admit. Anyone got a better idea how to handle this?
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I knew I should have kept tabs on this discussion, but I'd been too busy to track it down. The current changes make List of Yotsuba&! chapters formatting, a featured list that was using the fact that the Volume Extras were next to the chapters to improve reader understanding. With the dates below, it much harder to connect them with the chapters. — Quasirandom ( talk) 14:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Did something change with the recent updates that would keep the template from being able to be on the same line as the Infoboxes? It used to be that if you put the width at around 70%, the template would sit beside the infobox in cases like Afro Samurai, where there isn't enough content above it yet. Now, however, it continues having blank space. Thoughts? -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 00:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
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already. Thoughts? 「
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07:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)Multiple English release dates and ISBNs weren't ever very pretty in the tables, but since the recent changes, I find them particularly deranging. If consensus is to keep them, I'll try to adjust the template to accommodate the additional information, but personally I think we should only give the date of the first English language publication regardless of where it happened, as that is the only date of historic significance. Regards, Good raise 22:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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01 | Sakura and Syaoran Return! Tsubasa o Sagasu Shōnen no Tabi ga Hajimaru!! (「翼」を探す少年の旅が始まる!!) | August 12, 2003
[1] 978-4-06-363277-4 | April 27, 2004 (NA)
[2] — August 3, 2006 (UK) [3] [[Special:BookSources/978-0-345-47057-7+%28NA%29%3Cbr+%2F%3E%7F%27%22%60UNIQ--templatestyles-0000002D-QINU%60%22%27%7F%5B%5BISBN+%28identifier%29%7CISBN%5D%5D%26nbsp%3B%5B%5BSpecial%3ABookSources%2F981-260-153-8+%7C981-260-153-8%5D%5D+%28SG%29%3Cbr+%2F%3E%7F%27%22%60UNIQ--templatestyles-0000002E-QINU%60%22%27%7F%5B%5BISBN+%28identifier%29%7CISBN%5D%5D%26nbsp%3B%5B%5BSpecial%3ABookSources%2F0-09-950412-X+%7C0-09-950412-X%5D%5D+%28UK%29 |978-0-345-47057-7 (NA) ISBN 981-260-153-8 (SG) ISBN 0-09-950412-X (UK)]] Parameter error in {{ ISBNT}}: invalid character | ||
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I would like some suggestions on how to make With_the_Light#Manga less ugly. This series has the particularity to have each English volume containing two Japanese tankōbon making a very messy and somewhat not digest list. Thanks -- KrebMarkt 22:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
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1 | July 19, 2001 [4] | ISBN 4-253-10433-9 | September 2007 [5] | ISBN 978-0-7595-2356-2 | 1 |
2 | February 21, 2002 [6] | ISBN 4-253-10434-7 | |||
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I imported all of the manga articles and their templates from Wikipedia to the manga wikia awhile back, but this one template just doesn't work at all. [2] Every article that uses it, just ends up with html code that spews out as unreadable nonsense. No one over there has been able to figure out how to fix it. Anyway to load up the information without using html code? Dream Focus 08:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Do you think we should change this to just all Book series? I've noticed light novels and other books have been using the this template to and thought maybe series of novels would work out fine too. What do you guys think? Bread Ninja ( talk) 20:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Example: Arakawa_Under_the_Bridge#Volumes_list
I think the table would look substantially better if we didn't add these unnecessary hacks. -- Bxj ( talk) 00:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
No. | Release date | ISBN |
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01 | August 25, 2005[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1481-2 |
02 | December 25, 2005[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1576-5 |
03 | May 25, 2006[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1683-0 |
04 | December 25, 2006[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1836-0 |
05 | May 25, 2007[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2018-9 |
06 | December 25, 2007[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2162-9 |
07 | May 25, 2008[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2267-1 |
08 | December 25, 2008[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2430-9 |
09 | September 25, 2009[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2686-0 |
10 | April 24, 2010[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2858-1 |
11 | October 25, 2010[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-3037-9 |
In this case, which is also the most simple one, we certainly don't need the colored line or lines. For that matter, we don't need it or them in any case. They do, however, serve a purpose in some applications of the template. They can divide clearly where one list entry ends and the next begins. Example And they can provide whole sets of articles with a coherent look. Example That said, I wouldn't object to making the addition of colored lines optional, at least for the header. Good raise 07:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Well, what's "ugly" and what isn't, is always a matter of opinion. As far as your example case goes, and provided that, as you suggest, width is set to be handled automatically, I'd agree. There are, however, cases in which I find center aligned text for some columns to be quite appealing. Example So, conditional support on this matter from me. Good raise 07:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Actually, we do need to touch width in some cases. If we don't at least allow for it, multiple of these tables on the same page would end up in different sizes. As it stands, there's no way to set the template to determine its width automatically. Making fixed width optional is of course a simple matter. I am, however, not yet convinced, one way or the other, that disabling it by default is the way to go. The alternative would be to allow |width=
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I am going to wikify the sandbox version in the hope of reducing the post-expand include size. (see WP:TLIMIT) The following is from the source (HTML) of Template:Graphic novel list/testcases.
NewPP limit report Preprocessor node count: 99517/1000000 Post-expand include size: 1265767/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 473535/2048000 bytes Expensive parser function count: 0/500
If nothing else this should reduce any HTML errors. – Allen4 names 19:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Unwanted closing braces are appearing ( example link) when this template is used and I do not know why. If this is a problem with the template please fix it. – Allen4 names 05:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Seeing as how the bolding of episode titles was removed from {{ Japanese episode list}}, shouldn't the same be for this template? In this case, it's the volume titles that are being bolded.-- 十 八 20:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
I'm having a little trouble with this one, so maybe someone can shed some light on it. When looking up original episode titles for anime, it's relatively easy since we have Anime News Network or the anime's official website to check for that, but for the original titles for the manga, I am finding it next to impossible to find original titles for Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl, and I'm sure it'll be just as bad for any other manga out there. What I want to know is, is there someway to make finding these original titles easier, or will 99% of manga chapter lists not include them?-- 十 八 21:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Lovely Complex#manga -- putting it in action with a list of just dates/ISBNs, and there's a big gap above the table -- one that grows, proportional to the number of rows used. — Quasirandom ( talk) 04:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
VolumeExtras doesn't seem to work as described. The template page says about VolumeExtras "If ChapterList is defined, this will occupy just under half its row; otherwise, it will occupy an entire row.". That isn't the case at the moment, instead the row seems to be missing. See List_of_Battle_Angel_Alita_chapters, which has VolumeExtras for every volume, but only those with ChapterList are currently displaying. 131.217.6.6 ( talk) 09:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
While doing a little research into ISBNs, I came across this entry on Amazon.co.jp for the first Kashimashi manga volume which lists two ISBNs: ISBN-10 and ISBN-13. What I want to know is what is the difference between these two, and which one should I use in a manga list (or should I just list both?).-- 十 八 11:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I just love making new discussions (laugh). I have a question as to how long the summaries should be. Should we try to keep them as relatively short as the typical episode summaries for anime episodes, therefore only 4-5 lines of text on average? I have found this to be incredibly difficult to do for manga summaries since most manga volumes contain around 6 chapters each, and writing a concise summary of the entire volume with six (on average) different stories is rather rough compared to the singular story of a single anime episode. I checked WP:NOVSTY#Plot summary which states "Size of the plot summary should be roughly proportional to the size of the plot. This is not always equivalent to the length of the work, since some plots are complex and dense while others are simple and straight-forward." Since the plot for six chapters combined comes out to be rather long and detailed, is it alright to write a summary which touches upon the important points of each chapter? In doing so, I can tell that it would take on average 10 sentences for a 6 chapter volume in order to write a concise summary of the entire volume, but this ends up looking rather bloated next to the summaries of anime episodes. So what's the guideline for this?-- 十 八 04:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
How should we handle titles of individual volumes? Most don't have them, but several of Watase's works do (FY, Ceres, Imadoki), as do some other series (Kenshin, etc). Putting with them the volume number results in a weird looking table. For FY, I've tried putting it as part of the volume extras, as one possible idea. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 04:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Should we give volume titles their own parameter? They seem to appear enough to warrant their own row. Maybe. — TangentCube, Dialogues 21:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I've no idea why but on [ this edit] the entry for the 3rd volume is breaking the table. Purging and previewing all show the same thing. it's not down to length, and I've checked the fields and formatting and don't see any issues. I've reverted to the next revision, where I removed the summary for the time being (my saved fixes after that weren't working). I'd appreciate feedback on the problem, it may just be wikipedia being rubbish randomly. I did fill the field with random data as a test, and had no problems. I also added half of the summary and had no problems, it's only when using the full summary that I have a problem. I've moved the summary to sandbox in the meantime. Dandy Sephy ( talk) 04:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
FYI, {{ Graphic novel list/sublist}} and {{ Graphic novel list/sublist/header}} can now be used to transclude this template in a manner similar to the way it is possible with {{ Japanese episode list/sublist}}. You can see it in action at List of One Piece manga volumes. Happy transcluding. -- Goodraise ( talk) 18:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the term "chapter" a bit of a misnomer, here? I would think "episode" is more accurate. Erigu ( talk) 01:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe I was trying to redefine "chapter"... Or at the very least, I don't believe I disagree with the definition you linked to... Maybe it was a bad choice of words on my part... What I meant was that sections like "chapters", "acts" or "arcs" can be of varying lengths within a given work, and that length is primarily motivated by the developments in the story. Whereas "episodes" (generally) are all of the same length for a given work, a length primarily motivated by the fact these sections are serialized (<- which, I think, would be the keyword, here). Basically, like your definition says, "episodes" are "installments" ( parts of a broadcast or published serial), whereas "chapters" aren't necessarily "installments". The former refers specifically to serialized works, and the latter doesn't. Here, it seems clear to me that we're talking about the former. Hence my initial comment. Erigu ( talk) 17:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I emphatically disagree with your assertion that "chapter divisions are primarily related to the plot, not publishing or broadcasting concerns" Well. Maybe I shouldn't have put it like that. Let's just say that "episode" specifically refers to installments of a serialized work, whereas "chapter" doesn't. That makes "episode" a better-fitted term for serialized installments. Using "chapter" in its stead can easily lead to some issues, as I demonstrated above with Berserk, and then again with the very examples you mentioned (Dumas and Dickens). I don't want to belabor this point; if dictionaries won't convince you, I'm not sure what will.I don't remember disagreeing with a dictionary definition so far.Aside: not all manga chapters are called "wa", which throws a wrench into your "original term" argument. I know that, and even mentioned an alternate term earlier ("kai"). Same thing for TV episodes, actually. But I fail to see how that "throws a wrench" into my argument, which is that "episode" is a better-fitted term for serialized installments than "chapter" is. I hope you're not advocating that we keep all these different terms. Of course not, as we're talking about a template and the overall terminology to use, here. Erigu ( talk) 07:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Installments can be chapters in and of themselves, or they can be composed of chapters; no problem. I see where you're coming from, but I think you're trying a bit too hard to line things up precisely. I can play the same game, which is why I pointed out that magazine installments of Berserk are chapters by definition.I object to "episode" in this context because it's just not common usage for print media. And there's also the unquantifiable factor of it "not sounding right"... you know, "iwakan". "Installment" would be fine, though I still think the distinction is unnecessary. When you say you want to include stuff like omake in a volume/chapter list, I'm not sure what purpose that would serve. But let's get back to your Berserk example. I would translate "hen" to "saga" or "arc" in this context. "shō" is a bit harder to find a nice word for: section? part? narrative? You wanted to translate "shō" to "chapter", but a "chapter" that spans several volumes, as is the case in Berserk, makes absolutely no sense. It just doesn't work. - mak o 10:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Just an example that would be less prosaic than "section". You seem to be holding on to your peculiar conception of "chapter". Have you encountered "chapters" anywhere in print (besides Berserk) that extend beyond a single volume? Is it really that common to have shō in a manga series? I do not recall any other work that further divides its plot arcs into shō. I have noticed several hen, but every example is a separate serialization. - mak o 10:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I suggest using "publication date" rather than "release date". - mak o 07:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Since the common practice is to use definition list formatting in VolumeExtras, I propose that ChapterList be modified to follow suit. The disparity in looks is most apparent in skins like Cologne Blue; however, Monobook and the newer skins will also show a slight difference in where "Chapter list" is positioned. The relevant change can be seen in this sandbox diff. 67.175.50.253 ( talk) 02:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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Is there any reason for this not to be changed to a definition term (via a semicolon) to match current practice on listing cover characters? 「
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05:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)...so, nobody's going to do this? 67.175.50.253 ( talk) 06:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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19:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)I think I came with this some time ago, but just in case: Since volume title is now the only thing we use for volume extras I thought that it could be moved along with the other chapters like this. Then chapter list could be renamed to content and volume title and chapter title could be used below.
That's just something I wanted to show. Regards. Tintor2 ( talk) 02:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
No. | Title | Original release | English release |
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1 | "The Tests of the Ninja" "Uzumaki Naruto!!" (うずまきナルト!!) |
March 3, 2000 ISBN 4-08-872840-7 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum |
August 16, 2003 ISBN 1-56931-900-6 |
2 | "The Worst Client" "Saiaku no irainin" (最悪の依頼人) |
June 2, 2000 ISBN 4-08-872878-0 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum |
December 26, 2003 ISBN 1-59116-178-9 |
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1 | "The Tests of the Ninja" "Uzumaki Naruto!!" (うずまきナルト!!) |
March 3, 2000 ISBN 4-08-872840-7 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum |
August 16, 2003 ISBN 1-56931-900-6 | ||
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For the first twelve years of his life, Naruto Uzumaki had to live a life without parents and endure the apparent unsolicited hate from the villagers of Konohagakure, never knowing what it was like to be loved or have friends as a result. On the day that he learns that the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox was sealed within him soon after his birth and is the reason he is alone in the world, Naruto's fortunes begin to change. In addition to finding a father-figure in the form of Iruka Umino, Naruto achieves his dream by finally becoming a ninja. In doing so, Naruto is added to Team 7 along with Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruno under the leadership of Kakashi Hatake. To see whether or not the three are ready to become ninja, Kakashi administers a test to see if they have what it takes. Each fails independently, leading Kakashi to believe they will never become ninja. | |||||
2 | "The Worst Client" "Saiaku no irainin" (最悪の依頼人) |
June 2, 2000 ISBN 4-08-872878-0 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum |
December 26, 2003 ISBN 1-59116-178-9 | ||
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Kakashi advises the three to start focusing on the team's well-being instead of their own, and in doing so they are able to pass the test. As one of the team's first missions, they are assigned to to escort a man named Tazuna to the Land of Waves. Along the way, the group is attacked by Zabuza Momochi, an assassin sent to kill Tazuna. Kakashi, with the help of Naruto, Sasuke, and his own Sharingan eye, is able to defeat Zabuza. Before he can finish Zabuza off, however, a masked boy named Haku arrives to take him away. In preparation for another of Zabuza's attacks, Kakashi decides to train Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. |
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1 | March 3, 2000 | ISBN 4-08-872840-7 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum | August 16, 2003 | ISBN 1-56931-900-6 | ||
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For the first twelve years of his life, Naruto Uzumaki had to live a life without parents and endure the apparent unsolicited hate from the villagers of Konohagakure, never knowing what it was like to be loved or have friends as a result. On the day that he learns that the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox was sealed within him soon after his birth and is the reason he is alone in the world, Naruto's fortunes begin to change. In addition to finding a father-figure in the form of Iruka Umino, Naruto achieves his dream by finally becoming a ninja. In doing so, Naruto is added to Team 7 along with Sasuke Uchiha and Sakura Haruno under the leadership of Kakashi Hatake. To see whether or not the three are ready to become ninja, Kakashi administers a test to see if they have what it takes. Each fails independently, leading Kakashi to believe they will never become ninja. | ||||||
2 | June 2, 2000 | ISBN 4-08-872878-0 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum | December 26, 2003 | ISBN 1-59116-178-9 | ||
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Kakashi advises the three to start focusing on the team's well-being instead of their own, and in doing so they are able to pass the test. As one of the team's first missions, they are assigned to to escort a man named Tazuna to the Land of Waves. Along the way, the group is attacked by Zabuza Momochi, an assassin sent to kill Tazuna. Kakashi, with the help of Naruto, Sasuke, and his own Sharingan eye, is able to defeat Zabuza. Before he can finish Zabuza off, however, a masked boy named Haku arrives to take him away. In preparation for another of Zabuza's attacks, Kakashi decides to train Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. |
|ChapterListCol1=
and |ChapterListCol2=
, I'll probably be all for it, though (balancing columns would be a breeze - simply move the second parameter call up or down in the list). One other thing I'm not liking (but this is really nitpicking, so feel free to ignore me) is that in the with-titles example, the bullets in the second column line up really nicely with the boundary between columns (on this 1440x900 monitor, at least), but in the sans-title example, they fall a little to the left of the boundary. It would look much better if the right line of bullets got offset to the right by 2% (and, to keep everything looking nice, the with-titles case would require the date/ISBN columns to be reduced from 25% to 24% each). 「
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I've went ahead and synced the main template, its header, and the documentation with what I put together in the sandboxes. I'm fairly confident that this won't cause major breakage, but if it does, make sure to revert my changes to both the main and the header template. To aid in the transition, I've created two categories that the template populates with pages in need of updating: Category:Articles still using VolumeExtras and Category:Articles still using OneLanguage. Articles in the former category may contain slightly ugly tables. Articles in the later will only have unnecessarily long source code. Good raise 09:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
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is undefined, and preventing floating elements (images and infoboxes) from overlapping the table). Feel free to revert or further tweak any of my changes; I'll take a closer look at the code later to see if I can make any actual code improvements. 「
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|OriginalTitle=
cannot be automatically italicized, because Kanji titles for example are not supposed to be in italics. The documentation says to use |TranslitTitle=
in case transliteration is unnecessary. It's not the most intuitive solution, I admit. Anyone got a better idea how to handle this?
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I knew I should have kept tabs on this discussion, but I'd been too busy to track it down. The current changes make List of Yotsuba&! chapters formatting, a featured list that was using the fact that the Volume Extras were next to the chapters to improve reader understanding. With the dates below, it much harder to connect them with the chapters. — Quasirandom ( talk) 14:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Did something change with the recent updates that would keep the template from being able to be on the same line as the Infoboxes? It used to be that if you put the width at around 70%, the template would sit beside the infobox in cases like Afro Samurai, where there isn't enough content above it yet. Now, however, it continues having blank space. Thoughts? -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 00:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
|Clear=no
). In addition, a custom width could override it automatically, similar to how it does to margin: auto;
already. Thoughts? 「
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07:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)Multiple English release dates and ISBNs weren't ever very pretty in the tables, but since the recent changes, I find them particularly deranging. If consensus is to keep them, I'll try to adjust the template to accommodate the additional information, but personally I think we should only give the date of the first English language publication regardless of where it happened, as that is the only date of historic significance. Regards, Good raise 22:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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01 | Sakura and Syaoran Return! Tsubasa o Sagasu Shōnen no Tabi ga Hajimaru!! (「翼」を探す少年の旅が始まる!!) | August 12, 2003
[1] 978-4-06-363277-4 | April 27, 2004 (NA)
[2] — August 3, 2006 (UK) [3] [[Special:BookSources/978-0-345-47057-7+%28NA%29%3Cbr+%2F%3E%7F%27%22%60UNIQ--templatestyles-0000002D-QINU%60%22%27%7F%5B%5BISBN+%28identifier%29%7CISBN%5D%5D%26nbsp%3B%5B%5BSpecial%3ABookSources%2F981-260-153-8+%7C981-260-153-8%5D%5D+%28SG%29%3Cbr+%2F%3E%7F%27%22%60UNIQ--templatestyles-0000002E-QINU%60%22%27%7F%5B%5BISBN+%28identifier%29%7CISBN%5D%5D%26nbsp%3B%5B%5BSpecial%3ABookSources%2F0-09-950412-X+%7C0-09-950412-X%5D%5D+%28UK%29 |978-0-345-47057-7 (NA) ISBN 981-260-153-8 (SG) ISBN 0-09-950412-X (UK)]] Parameter error in {{ ISBNT}}: invalid character | ||
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I would like some suggestions on how to make With_the_Light#Manga less ugly. This series has the particularity to have each English volume containing two Japanese tankōbon making a very messy and somewhat not digest list. Thanks -- KrebMarkt 22:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
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1 | July 19, 2001 [4] | ISBN 4-253-10433-9 | September 2007 [5] | ISBN 978-0-7595-2356-2 | 1 |
2 | February 21, 2002 [6] | ISBN 4-253-10434-7 | |||
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How does that look? Good raise 14:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
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I imported all of the manga articles and their templates from Wikipedia to the manga wikia awhile back, but this one template just doesn't work at all. [2] Every article that uses it, just ends up with html code that spews out as unreadable nonsense. No one over there has been able to figure out how to fix it. Anyway to load up the information without using html code? Dream Focus 08:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Do you think we should change this to just all Book series? I've noticed light novels and other books have been using the this template to and thought maybe series of novels would work out fine too. What do you guys think? Bread Ninja ( talk) 20:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Example: Arakawa_Under_the_Bridge#Volumes_list
I think the table would look substantially better if we didn't add these unnecessary hacks. -- Bxj ( talk) 00:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
No. | Release date | ISBN |
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01 | August 25, 2005[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1481-2 |
02 | December 25, 2005[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1576-5 |
03 | May 25, 2006[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1683-0 |
04 | December 25, 2006[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-1836-0 |
05 | May 25, 2007[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2018-9 |
06 | December 25, 2007[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2162-9 |
07 | May 25, 2008[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2267-1 |
08 | December 25, 2008[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2430-9 |
09 | September 25, 2009[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2686-0 |
10 | April 24, 2010[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-2858-1 |
11 | October 25, 2010[1] | ISBN 978-4-7575-3037-9 |
In this case, which is also the most simple one, we certainly don't need the colored line or lines. For that matter, we don't need it or them in any case. They do, however, serve a purpose in some applications of the template. They can divide clearly where one list entry ends and the next begins. Example And they can provide whole sets of articles with a coherent look. Example That said, I wouldn't object to making the addition of colored lines optional, at least for the header. Good raise 07:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Well, what's "ugly" and what isn't, is always a matter of opinion. As far as your example case goes, and provided that, as you suggest, width is set to be handled automatically, I'd agree. There are, however, cases in which I find center aligned text for some columns to be quite appealing. Example So, conditional support on this matter from me. Good raise 07:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Actually, we do need to touch width in some cases. If we don't at least allow for it, multiple of these tables on the same page would end up in different sizes. As it stands, there's no way to set the template to determine its width automatically. Making fixed width optional is of course a simple matter. I am, however, not yet convinced, one way or the other, that disabling it by default is the way to go. The alternative would be to allow |width=
to be set to "auto".
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I am going to wikify the sandbox version in the hope of reducing the post-expand include size. (see WP:TLIMIT) The following is from the source (HTML) of Template:Graphic novel list/testcases.
NewPP limit report Preprocessor node count: 99517/1000000 Post-expand include size: 1265767/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 473535/2048000 bytes Expensive parser function count: 0/500
If nothing else this should reduce any HTML errors. – Allen4 names 19:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Unwanted closing braces are appearing ( example link) when this template is used and I do not know why. If this is a problem with the template please fix it. – Allen4 names 05:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Seeing as how the bolding of episode titles was removed from {{ Japanese episode list}}, shouldn't the same be for this template? In this case, it's the volume titles that are being bolded.-- 十 八 20:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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Reason: MOS compliance. Good raise 01:04, 13 October 2012 (UTC)