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The {{tl|Find A Grave}} template recommends to use this template instead and that it has different parameters but they're not documented (yet). OlEnglish ( talk) 20:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Since the discussion at
Template talk: Find A Grave was not to merge because of the use of the other template, could we please have this old old merge proposal template removed? Thanks.
Wildhartlivie (
talk)
22:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
The default is for the ID to be in the first parameter. However, the {{[[Template:Find A Grave|Find A Grave]]}} template takes the ID in the id parameter. Can we set this template up so that, if 1 is blank, it will use the id parameter instead? I think the syntax is {{{1|{{{id|{{{grid}}}}}}}}}
, but I wanted to ask before changing. —
C.Fred (
talk)
02:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
This is only useful for grave location, info on findagrave is notoriously inaccurate. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
As of today, the template {{ Find A Grave}} is deleted. So long, it's been good to see you! -- Alvestrand ( talk) 14:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Those who watch this template page may be interested in this discussion at the External Links Noticeboard regarding the appropriateness of external linking to the Find a Grave website. -- RL0919 ( talk) 16:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Having a template for linking this site is encouraging people to add links. Quoting the site disclaimer: "The Find A Grave web site may contain information that is created and maintained by a variety of sources both internal and external to Find A Grave. Some pages are unmoderated and may contain the personal opinions and other expressions of the persons who post the entries. Find A Grave does not control, monitor or guarantee the information contained in these pages or information contained in links to other external web sites, and does not endorse any views expressed or products or services offered therein. In no event shall Find A Grave be responsible or liable, directly or indirectly, for any damage or loss caused or alleged to be caused by or in connection with the use of or reliance on any content, goods, or services available on or through any page, site or resource."
They do not provide strictly (by the disclaimer, not any) editorially verified content (so it's a no go-source), nor do they provide additional information (for the objects I checked the findagrave article was always less comprehensive and shorter than ours) to our articles. They do however have something we don't – a fame-meter at the end, letting us rate the deceased person. Tasteful. The site also seems commercial, making ungrounded links spam-for-profit ("the worst kind of spam" :-). Discovered this template when I removed a (mypov: useless) link from Richard Pryor. Btd ( talk) 22:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned up the documentation a little, clarifying where the "#" parameter can be found, but it needs some explanation of the optional accessdate parameter: what is it? how is it used? Updating the example to include it would be helpful.-- BillFlis ( talk) 11:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I would like to modify this template to look a little more like a citation. Here is my suggestion. The current template looks like this: Henri Langlois at Find a Grave or sometimes like this Henri Langlois at Find a Grave Retrieved June 19, 2010.
I would like to modify the code so it displays more like this: "Henri Langlois". Find a Grave. February 7, 2003. Retrieved February 1, 2010.
Would anyone have a problem with this? -- Kumioko ( talk) 02:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll take a look and make the changes. I am hopeless at code. I just copy other templates.
As for findagrave's reliability and placement. It's a tricky one. It should not be used as an external link when there is already cited material in the article. And if there is a more reliable source for the grave, then it would be appropriate to use that. However, if the grave or burial is mentioned and is not cited, then using findagrave is acceptable. It is cited by others, and it has an editorial team, and is somewhat respected. It's not a top flight source for sure, but it's not casual either. It's really a case by case situation. Simply putting the findagrave template in EL without thought is not appropriate - there should be some consideration of the issues. If the grave location is not felt important enough to mention in the article, then listing it in EL may not be helpful, and can be seen as list clutter. There may be seen to be a conflict between WP:ELMAYBE#4 and WP:ELNO#1 and judgement is needed. As the main use of the template is to link people to a photograph of the gravestone in location, then its use as a source is acceptable. This is not about opinion or questionable facts - it's about linking to a verifiable fact. It is more helpful to the reader to have an inline link to the gravestone, than to have to scroll down to the EL section (which should mainly be used as a form of "further reading" list). I support careful use of the template as a helpful source. I am dubious of using it as an EL add-on where the contents of the article haven't been read first. SilkTork * YES! 18:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason for displaying the subjects name in quotation marks, and for using a full stop twice? I'm not sure which is the right way of displaying but it looks odd in articles that have other "at such-and-such site". Example Fred Astaire#External links shows him "at" Allmovie, Internet Broadway Database, Internet Movie Database and TCM Movie Database. The "at" Find a Grave is the only one to use punctuation. Was this intentional? Rossrs ( talk) 09:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Most other templates of this kind on Wikipedia include the word "at". For example, when the IMDb one is added to a page it reads "Person's Name at the Internet Movie Database". The Findagrave template should include the word "at" to be consistant with the others. Simon Peter Hughes ( talk) 13:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
We already have a blue link, why do we need scare quotes around the name, its a double emphasis that we avoid in Wikipedia. IMDB doesn't use quotes around the name. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 20:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
The question is, why do we use cite web for Find a grave and not for YouTube, IMDB, ect? I think that Find a grave template must be writed without using cite web. emijrp ( talk) 07:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
FYI, see Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Propriety of links to Findagrave.com. – xeno talk 15:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Since no one has removed the scare quotes from the Findgrave template we have two choices:
{{Find a Grave|1234|Henri Langlois}}
gives
Henri Langlois at
Find a Grave. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
03:45, 26 December 2012 (UTC)I see the problem. It is when you add the access date as a second parameter you get the scare quotes. I will just chop off the access date from the version I use. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 05:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I've just read and understand the various caveats/concerns for the current "memorial" template. With those issues in mind, I can still see a use for a parallel "cemetery" template ...in fact, there may be fewer concerns, as editing Find a Grave cemetery entries is much more tightly controlled than the editing of individual memorials.
So, I've created {{ Find a Grave cemetery}}. I haven't done anything very complex -- mainly because this is my first template -- but wanted to see what people thought of the idea before going any farther.
The main concern, in my mind, is the WP:ELNO question "does this point to content not already in the article?" to which I'd generally say "yes", that being the list of memorials at that cemetery, but of course that takes us back to the question of how well controlled the Find a Grave memorial content is.
The other place where I could see this or a variant being of use is for the "Find a Grave" field in {{ Infobox Cemetery}}.
I've added it to one article: Chapel of the Chimes (Hayward, California).
Comments?-- NapoliRoma ( talk) 03:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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Fix typo in Examples to read as follows:
<ref name="FG" >{{Find a Grave | grid = 94078737 | name = Sally Kristen Ride | date = July 23, 2012 | accessdate = September 23, 2012 | author = Marc J. Daniluke | work = American Astronaut }} </ref>
Only change is in the "work=" parameter. "American Astronaut" is the description on the particular page. (At present it reads "Astronauts".) Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 19:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
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Redrose64 (
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20:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
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If an admin could, please correct the capitalization of Find A Grave to Find a Grave. I've already taken care of the issue on the documentation page. Thank you in advance. —
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xplicit
03:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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From a discussion about inability to use Find a Grave under any circumstances and generally for External links at Talk:Rhoda Holmes Nicholls/Archive 1#Find a Grave:
It seems that the template page should be reworded.
Is there a definitive statement somewhere, because I would be happy to write a draft using the information I pasted above - or another source to help clarify this for users.
Thanks!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 21:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I asked for input from the Wikipedia talk:Find-A-Grave famous people and Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Thanks!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 21:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Just to summarize what I think the key points
Moved to
User:CaroleHenson/Find a Grave summary points to track changes
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are now based upon the discussion above, at Talk:Rhoda Holmes Nicholls/Archive 1, and Template:Find a Grave (also looked at RSN postings and Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#Find-a-Grave)
Reference:
External links:
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The points I'm unclear on are:
Thanks,-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 07:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
S. Rich, once again your background info is very helpful! I'm one of those people who has to "eat an elephant one bite at a time", so let me see if I can break this down:
--and I'll make the changes to the workpage just after this for your review to see if that looks right.-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 19:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
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Can we add the following related template to the See also section?
* {{Find a Grave cemetery|12345}} – for the index page to particular cemeteries.
This template links to the landing page for the particular cemetery}} Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 23:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I've nominated it for deletion, but can't add the notice because of page protection. Niteshift36 ( talk) 16:34, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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The template has started swallowing the bullet that is generally put in front of it when used in EL sections. One puts an asterisk in front of it, but no bullet appears when rendered. This is fairly new behavior, so must have resulted from some recent tweak to the template. BMK ( talk) 21:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm wondering—why does the template italicize "Find a Grave" in its output (" Find a Grave") when the title of the article itself is in plain text?— DocWatson42 ( talk) 07:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
|website=
at {{
Cite web}}. IMHO, and in line with the display at
Find a Grave itself, it should not be italicised. --
Michael Bednarek (
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Following the discussion above, please remove the italics for the term "Find a Grave". In other words: change
{{{work}}}}} at ''[[Find a Grave]]''
to
{{{work}}}}} at [[Find a Grave]]
Cheers, Michael Bednarek ( talk) 11:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
The {{tl|Find A Grave}} template recommends to use this template instead and that it has different parameters but they're not documented (yet). OlEnglish ( talk) 20:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotect}}
Since the discussion at
Template talk: Find A Grave was not to merge because of the use of the other template, could we please have this old old merge proposal template removed? Thanks.
Wildhartlivie (
talk)
22:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
The default is for the ID to be in the first parameter. However, the {{[[Template:Find A Grave|Find A Grave]]}} template takes the ID in the id parameter. Can we set this template up so that, if 1 is blank, it will use the id parameter instead? I think the syntax is {{{1|{{{id|{{{grid}}}}}}}}}
, but I wanted to ask before changing. —
C.Fred (
talk)
02:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
This is only useful for grave location, info on findagrave is notoriously inaccurate. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
As of today, the template {{ Find A Grave}} is deleted. So long, it's been good to see you! -- Alvestrand ( talk) 14:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Those who watch this template page may be interested in this discussion at the External Links Noticeboard regarding the appropriateness of external linking to the Find a Grave website. -- RL0919 ( talk) 16:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Having a template for linking this site is encouraging people to add links. Quoting the site disclaimer: "The Find A Grave web site may contain information that is created and maintained by a variety of sources both internal and external to Find A Grave. Some pages are unmoderated and may contain the personal opinions and other expressions of the persons who post the entries. Find A Grave does not control, monitor or guarantee the information contained in these pages or information contained in links to other external web sites, and does not endorse any views expressed or products or services offered therein. In no event shall Find A Grave be responsible or liable, directly or indirectly, for any damage or loss caused or alleged to be caused by or in connection with the use of or reliance on any content, goods, or services available on or through any page, site or resource."
They do not provide strictly (by the disclaimer, not any) editorially verified content (so it's a no go-source), nor do they provide additional information (for the objects I checked the findagrave article was always less comprehensive and shorter than ours) to our articles. They do however have something we don't – a fame-meter at the end, letting us rate the deceased person. Tasteful. The site also seems commercial, making ungrounded links spam-for-profit ("the worst kind of spam" :-). Discovered this template when I removed a (mypov: useless) link from Richard Pryor. Btd ( talk) 22:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned up the documentation a little, clarifying where the "#" parameter can be found, but it needs some explanation of the optional accessdate parameter: what is it? how is it used? Updating the example to include it would be helpful.-- BillFlis ( talk) 11:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I would like to modify this template to look a little more like a citation. Here is my suggestion. The current template looks like this: Henri Langlois at Find a Grave or sometimes like this Henri Langlois at Find a Grave Retrieved June 19, 2010.
I would like to modify the code so it displays more like this: "Henri Langlois". Find a Grave. February 7, 2003. Retrieved February 1, 2010.
Would anyone have a problem with this? -- Kumioko ( talk) 02:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll take a look and make the changes. I am hopeless at code. I just copy other templates.
As for findagrave's reliability and placement. It's a tricky one. It should not be used as an external link when there is already cited material in the article. And if there is a more reliable source for the grave, then it would be appropriate to use that. However, if the grave or burial is mentioned and is not cited, then using findagrave is acceptable. It is cited by others, and it has an editorial team, and is somewhat respected. It's not a top flight source for sure, but it's not casual either. It's really a case by case situation. Simply putting the findagrave template in EL without thought is not appropriate - there should be some consideration of the issues. If the grave location is not felt important enough to mention in the article, then listing it in EL may not be helpful, and can be seen as list clutter. There may be seen to be a conflict between WP:ELMAYBE#4 and WP:ELNO#1 and judgement is needed. As the main use of the template is to link people to a photograph of the gravestone in location, then its use as a source is acceptable. This is not about opinion or questionable facts - it's about linking to a verifiable fact. It is more helpful to the reader to have an inline link to the gravestone, than to have to scroll down to the EL section (which should mainly be used as a form of "further reading" list). I support careful use of the template as a helpful source. I am dubious of using it as an EL add-on where the contents of the article haven't been read first. SilkTork * YES! 18:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason for displaying the subjects name in quotation marks, and for using a full stop twice? I'm not sure which is the right way of displaying but it looks odd in articles that have other "at such-and-such site". Example Fred Astaire#External links shows him "at" Allmovie, Internet Broadway Database, Internet Movie Database and TCM Movie Database. The "at" Find a Grave is the only one to use punctuation. Was this intentional? Rossrs ( talk) 09:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Most other templates of this kind on Wikipedia include the word "at". For example, when the IMDb one is added to a page it reads "Person's Name at the Internet Movie Database". The Findagrave template should include the word "at" to be consistant with the others. Simon Peter Hughes ( talk) 13:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
We already have a blue link, why do we need scare quotes around the name, its a double emphasis that we avoid in Wikipedia. IMDB doesn't use quotes around the name. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 20:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
The question is, why do we use cite web for Find a grave and not for YouTube, IMDB, ect? I think that Find a grave template must be writed without using cite web. emijrp ( talk) 07:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
FYI, see Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Propriety of links to Findagrave.com. – xeno talk 15:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Since no one has removed the scare quotes from the Findgrave template we have two choices:
{{Find a Grave|1234|Henri Langlois}}
gives
Henri Langlois at
Find a Grave. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
03:45, 26 December 2012 (UTC)I see the problem. It is when you add the access date as a second parameter you get the scare quotes. I will just chop off the access date from the version I use. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 05:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I've just read and understand the various caveats/concerns for the current "memorial" template. With those issues in mind, I can still see a use for a parallel "cemetery" template ...in fact, there may be fewer concerns, as editing Find a Grave cemetery entries is much more tightly controlled than the editing of individual memorials.
So, I've created {{ Find a Grave cemetery}}. I haven't done anything very complex -- mainly because this is my first template -- but wanted to see what people thought of the idea before going any farther.
The main concern, in my mind, is the WP:ELNO question "does this point to content not already in the article?" to which I'd generally say "yes", that being the list of memorials at that cemetery, but of course that takes us back to the question of how well controlled the Find a Grave memorial content is.
The other place where I could see this or a variant being of use is for the "Find a Grave" field in {{ Infobox Cemetery}}.
I've added it to one article: Chapel of the Chimes (Hayward, California).
Comments?-- NapoliRoma ( talk) 03:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Find a Grave/doc has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Fix typo in Examples to read as follows:
<ref name="FG" >{{Find a Grave | grid = 94078737 | name = Sally Kristen Ride | date = July 23, 2012 | accessdate = September 23, 2012 | author = Marc J. Daniluke | work = American Astronaut }} </ref>
Only change is in the "work=" parameter. "American Astronaut" is the description on the particular page. (At present it reads "Astronauts".) Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 19:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
is usually not required for edits to the documentation, categories, or interlanguage links of templates using a
documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
20:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
{{
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If an admin could, please correct the capitalization of Find A Grave to Find a Grave. I've already taken care of the issue on the documentation page. Thank you in advance. —
Σ
xplicit
03:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
{{
Edit protected}}
From a discussion about inability to use Find a Grave under any circumstances and generally for External links at Talk:Rhoda Holmes Nicholls/Archive 1#Find a Grave:
It seems that the template page should be reworded.
Is there a definitive statement somewhere, because I would be happy to write a draft using the information I pasted above - or another source to help clarify this for users.
Thanks!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 21:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I asked for input from the Wikipedia talk:Find-A-Grave famous people and Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Thanks!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 21:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Just to summarize what I think the key points
Moved to
User:CaroleHenson/Find a Grave summary points to track changes
|
---|
are now based upon the discussion above, at Talk:Rhoda Holmes Nicholls/Archive 1, and Template:Find a Grave (also looked at RSN postings and Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#Find-a-Grave)
Reference:
External links:
|
The points I'm unclear on are:
Thanks,-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 07:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
S. Rich, once again your background info is very helpful! I'm one of those people who has to "eat an elephant one bite at a time", so let me see if I can break this down:
--and I'll make the changes to the workpage just after this for your review to see if that looks right.-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 19:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Find a Grave/doc has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Can we add the following related template to the See also section?
* {{Find a Grave cemetery|12345}} – for the index page to particular cemeteries.
This template links to the landing page for the particular cemetery}} Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 23:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I've nominated it for deletion, but can't add the notice because of page protection. Niteshift36 ( talk) 16:34, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The template has started swallowing the bullet that is generally put in front of it when used in EL sections. One puts an asterisk in front of it, but no bullet appears when rendered. This is fairly new behavior, so must have resulted from some recent tweak to the template. BMK ( talk) 21:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm wondering—why does the template italicize "Find a Grave" in its output (" Find a Grave") when the title of the article itself is in plain text?— DocWatson42 ( talk) 07:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
|website=
at {{
Cite web}}. IMHO, and in line with the display at
Find a Grave itself, it should not be italicised. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
10:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)![]() | This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Following the discussion above, please remove the italics for the term "Find a Grave". In other words: change
{{{work}}}}} at ''[[Find a Grave]]''
to
{{{work}}}}} at [[Find a Grave]]
Cheers, Michael Bednarek ( talk) 11:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)