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This template ( Template:Fantasy) was considered for deletion on 14 August 2005. The result of the discussion was "keep". |
The template could definitely use some improvement, and without a doubt could be made a lot smaller. While the template itself is still young and obviously needs more fine-tuning, a new user here on Wikipedia is attempting to render all of that moot by just arbitrarily deleting the template. Why said user would want to delete rather than improve, and why said user would not discuss the issue before nominating it for deletion is unclear, but new users tend to do weird things. While I'm confident this user's vote to delete it will be the only one, it does tell us that the template needs some streamlining. -- Corvun 23:54, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
In general I don't think nav templates all that helpful, except when there are a group of subjects very closely linked, for example articles dealing with a single fantasy universe. I think normal links or possibly a see-also section in the article itself is generally the way to go. Many of these could be linked to from the main Fantasy article, and that should probably be linked to from everywhere you have put this template. I agree that wikipedia should be helpful to general users. I don't think this template helps to make it so. i think it gives the impression that the editor knows what subjects the reader is interested in , when that may not be correct, and when it is not, the template is not highly useful. DES (talk) 03:47, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
One user recently made a comment, stating that footers are less visually obtrusive than side navboxes. While this have the disadvantage of the reader not immediately knowing that the pages are part of a series, it has occurred to me that many of the sub-topics removed from this template could be re-incorporated, a lot less obtrusively, in a footer, which would also be able to keep such large bodies of information in a much smaller amount of space. There's nothing about these pages, I don't think, that requires they be presented as a series, and in fact presenting them as such might be disadventageous later on, if certain subjects, such as the history of fantasy, were to grow large enough that that splitting them into multiple pages would be desirable. In such a case, these "sub-subjects" might need a series template (in the hypothetical example of the history of fantasy, which would need to be presented chronologically), and this current series template would prevent that from being done.
So, anyone for turning this into a footer? -- Corvun 02:44, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
I was leaning towards voting for deletion at WP:TFD, but consensus already seemed to be to keep. Anyway, I've editted the template to a more conventional design, modeled after Template:Jesus. I particularly wanted to remove the image, since it doesn't really represent certain subgenres of fantasy (like Science fantasy and Superhero fantasy]]). I don't think any image can be that all-encompassing, so my suggestion would just be to leave it imageless. Coffee 07:14, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe the four links under fantasy subculture really flow with the rest of this template -- it's stretching a little far past general fantasy there. Is there any consensus to remove it? -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why there isn't a link to a list of fantasy games? By games, I mean video games, board games, role playing games (many Nintendo games as well as Dungeons and Dragons comes to mind). If there isn't a list, I request one be made. Jon Fawkes 02:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't Spectrum Fantastic Art be refered to in this article? It's an annual compilation of the "best" in fantastic art, judged each year by a jury of top artists in the industry. It regularly includes works by artists such as Brom, Michael Whelan, John Howe and many others. So far there are 14 volumes (released annually), and 15 is scheduled for release in the fall. The volumes are titled Spectrum followed by the volume number. That is, this year's volume will be titled Spectrum 15. Inclusion in Spectrum is highly sought after and extremely competitive. Each year thousands of artists respond to the call for entries with the hopes of getting in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asharrison ( talk • contribs) 21:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Anybody have any suggestions for a better lead image, one that's more of an icon, instead of some mediocre WoW character designs? Because that's what the current images look like. They seem a little too cartoonish, and too trite, not really showings wide enough sweep of this rather broad genre. oknazevad ( talk) 18:31, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Should a pretitle field be added to this template to make the purpose of the sidebar clear? I note that above an editor said they based this one on Template:Jesus which does use the pretitle. (Related post: Template talk:Internet#Pretitle?) Schazjmd (talk) 14:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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This template ( Template:Fantasy) was considered for deletion on 14 August 2005. The result of the discussion was "keep". |
The template could definitely use some improvement, and without a doubt could be made a lot smaller. While the template itself is still young and obviously needs more fine-tuning, a new user here on Wikipedia is attempting to render all of that moot by just arbitrarily deleting the template. Why said user would want to delete rather than improve, and why said user would not discuss the issue before nominating it for deletion is unclear, but new users tend to do weird things. While I'm confident this user's vote to delete it will be the only one, it does tell us that the template needs some streamlining. -- Corvun 23:54, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
In general I don't think nav templates all that helpful, except when there are a group of subjects very closely linked, for example articles dealing with a single fantasy universe. I think normal links or possibly a see-also section in the article itself is generally the way to go. Many of these could be linked to from the main Fantasy article, and that should probably be linked to from everywhere you have put this template. I agree that wikipedia should be helpful to general users. I don't think this template helps to make it so. i think it gives the impression that the editor knows what subjects the reader is interested in , when that may not be correct, and when it is not, the template is not highly useful. DES (talk) 03:47, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
One user recently made a comment, stating that footers are less visually obtrusive than side navboxes. While this have the disadvantage of the reader not immediately knowing that the pages are part of a series, it has occurred to me that many of the sub-topics removed from this template could be re-incorporated, a lot less obtrusively, in a footer, which would also be able to keep such large bodies of information in a much smaller amount of space. There's nothing about these pages, I don't think, that requires they be presented as a series, and in fact presenting them as such might be disadventageous later on, if certain subjects, such as the history of fantasy, were to grow large enough that that splitting them into multiple pages would be desirable. In such a case, these "sub-subjects" might need a series template (in the hypothetical example of the history of fantasy, which would need to be presented chronologically), and this current series template would prevent that from being done.
So, anyone for turning this into a footer? -- Corvun 02:44, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
I was leaning towards voting for deletion at WP:TFD, but consensus already seemed to be to keep. Anyway, I've editted the template to a more conventional design, modeled after Template:Jesus. I particularly wanted to remove the image, since it doesn't really represent certain subgenres of fantasy (like Science fantasy and Superhero fantasy]]). I don't think any image can be that all-encompassing, so my suggestion would just be to leave it imageless. Coffee 07:14, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe the four links under fantasy subculture really flow with the rest of this template -- it's stretching a little far past general fantasy there. Is there any consensus to remove it? -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 00:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why there isn't a link to a list of fantasy games? By games, I mean video games, board games, role playing games (many Nintendo games as well as Dungeons and Dragons comes to mind). If there isn't a list, I request one be made. Jon Fawkes 02:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't Spectrum Fantastic Art be refered to in this article? It's an annual compilation of the "best" in fantastic art, judged each year by a jury of top artists in the industry. It regularly includes works by artists such as Brom, Michael Whelan, John Howe and many others. So far there are 14 volumes (released annually), and 15 is scheduled for release in the fall. The volumes are titled Spectrum followed by the volume number. That is, this year's volume will be titled Spectrum 15. Inclusion in Spectrum is highly sought after and extremely competitive. Each year thousands of artists respond to the call for entries with the hopes of getting in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asharrison ( talk • contribs) 21:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Anybody have any suggestions for a better lead image, one that's more of an icon, instead of some mediocre WoW character designs? Because that's what the current images look like. They seem a little too cartoonish, and too trite, not really showings wide enough sweep of this rather broad genre. oknazevad ( talk) 18:31, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
Should a pretitle field be added to this template to make the purpose of the sidebar clear? I note that above an editor said they based this one on Template:Jesus which does use the pretitle. (Related post: Template talk:Internet#Pretitle?) Schazjmd (talk) 14:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)