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there is no "widespread confusion".
All it seems to do is use the magic word and the parameter. Surely it's redundant to simply using the magic word? -- kingboyk 21:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
<includeonly> [[Image:Important.svg|25px]] '''The correct syntax is <code>{{DEFAULTSORT:{{{1}}}}}</code>''' [[Template:DEFAULTSORT|More info]][[Image:Important.svg|25px]] </includeonly> <noinclude> This template was created because some editors wrongly use <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT|sortkey}} instead of the proper syntax {{DEFAULTSORT:sortkey}}</nowiki>. DEFAULTSORT is a [[Help:Magic words|magic word]], not a [[Help:Template|template]]. For more info, see [[Help:Categories#Default sort key]] and [[Help:Magic words#Miscellany]] </noinclude>
(←) I don't think such a thing should appear in articles as it would affect all ~600 pages where it is currently used and would just look unsightly and force people to fix something that isn't causing any problems. As far as fixing, it shouldn't be the only change made as there is no benefit to doing it and would be terribly minor. I have been fixing such occurrences using WP:AWB as I have had the fix integrated into the general fixes, and then running through the articles fixing spelling mistakes or performing other edits such as adding categories or stub templates or just fixing other things that are wrong at the same time. I do think however that it should be made more clear on the template page that this template shouldn't be used and that the magic word should be used instead. matt br 09:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
In order to prevent you can make a gadget that is turned on by default, and when save page is clicked it replaces template by magic word. I can't imagine a one-liner (because of nowiki tag etc.) but some smarter people might come up with it.--
Dixtosa (
talk)
10:39, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Should articles that currently have all categories individually sorted (such as article of names sorted with last name first) be edited to instead use this template or the magic word? Or does it really matter which method is used? — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 20:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I edited a page which already contained DEFAULTSORT in, then shortly after made another edit. You can see the diffs here: [1]. The only edit I made for the newer version was to add an endspoiler tag...and yet the DEFAULTSORT seems to have been applied, removed, and also removed my previous changes. I also didn't change the "Dead body|corpse" wikilink...what's going on?? Burns flipper 15:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
To reduce the use of this template and to get people to use the magic word, how about putting something like this on the template page:
![]() | Please read before use: Please use {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}. This means the magic word is used instead of this template. |
Any thoughts? matt br 11:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
![]() | Please use {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}, with a colon (":"), not a pipe symbol ("|"). This uses the magic word directly instead of using the template to call the magic word. |
Yeah, {{ warning}} is probably a bit forceful, but we still want to essentially say 'don't use this template'. How about using {{ important}}?
![]() | Please use {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}, with a colon (":"), not a pipe symbol ("|"). This uses the magic word directly instead of using the template to call the magic word. |
I think it's a bit more attention grabbing than {{ notice}}, but without some of the forcefulness of {{ warning}}. matt br 12:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
(Comment moved) "To reduce the use of this template..." I don't understand. What is the harm is using this template over the magic word? Are the magic words processed faster or something? I have been using this template instead of the magic word because I thought there was no real difference. Please explain. — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 22:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Please make one; I tire of having to type "DEFAULTSORT" in all-caps all the time (and have others correct it since "defaultsort:" doesn't work). Thanks. - Eep² 12:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Please add new interwiki for fr:Modèle:DEFAULTSORT
[[fr:Modèle:DEFAULTSORT]]
(I've already updated the French and Russian interwikis.)
62.147.36.186 13:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Can't we just get a bot to add all of these? Like look at the categories, if over half have the same LAST, FIRST pattern, then just add a DEFUALTSORT:LAST, FIRST and delete all the |LAST, FIRST s that are in the categories? DOes that make sense? -- Rajah 10:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
[[Category:1902 births|Laxness, Halldor]] [[Category:1998 deaths|Laxness, Halldor]] [[Category:Nobel laureates in Literature|Laxness, Halldor]] [[Category:Icelandic people]]
How exactly is this supposed to work? I just added the template to Jake Peavy. When I went to look at Category:San Diego Padres players, Peavy was displayed as "Jake Peavy" and under the P section. Am i correctly assuming that these articles are still displayed by page name but sorted by the defaultsort? Long levi 21:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
One advantage of using templates over magic words is that you can easily track use of the magic word via the template. You could, for instance, create a category called Category:Articles using the DEFAULTSORT magic word via the DEFAULTSORT template, or look at the transclusion list (in what links here) for this template. I am unaware of any equivalent way to do this for DEFAULTSORT. Is there a way to list all articles using DEFAULTSORT, and conversely to list all articles that lack DEFAULTSORT? Carcharoth 12:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Following on from the section at the top of the talk page, I see that less than 200 pages link to this template. May I ask if there is a bot that replaces tranclusions of this template with the magic word (ie. changing a | to a :) and leaves a note on the talk page of the person who incorrectly used the template, telling them to use the magic word, not the template? If not, that would seem to be one way to prevent any future confusion. Though the small list of what links here seems to suggest that people do now in general correctly use the magic word instead of the template, it would be best to guard against some future upswing in misuse. Carcharoth 13:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
#defaultsort "magic word"
{{
Editprotected}}
Please move the non-template material to
Template:DEFAULTSORT/doc (see
Template:Fact and
Template:Fact/doc for example) so that documentation can be edited without affecting template. Then add {{tfd|{{subst:PAGENAME}}}} to the top of the template, per
WP:TFD. —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)›
23:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
On one page, it just came up with a blue box with the options "view" and "edit", and then after. I removed the latter, but it still seemed that clicking on view or edit did not work properly. -- Beardo 01:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
There are several bots that do defaultsort where the existing category sort keys are in agreement. I know the operator of User:SmackBot has an approved task to do DEFAULTSORT for people stubs (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SmackBot XIII), but that only applies when "there is an unambiguous sort key given to existing categories". There is also Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BOTijo 5, but that too has the restriction "Only put DEFAULTSORT when all categories in article have the same SORT".
Essentially, these restrictions is because a human is needed to judge whether the name is of the form "GIVEN NAME, FAMILY NAME". You might think that the last name is the family name, but sometimes you have double surname that are not hyphenated, or you have some Asian names (and other countries as well) that are in the form "FAMILY NAME, GIVEN NAME", so they need to be sorted by the first word in the the title, not the last. It is possible that the category sort keys are wrong, but in that case the bots are only perpetuating errors, not introducing new ones.
I'm currently trying to gather more information on whether other bots exist and whether AWB has a DEFAULTSORT suggestion option. A lot of the information of DEFAULTSORT is scattered around different pages. Might it be an idea to have Wikipedia:DEFAULTSORT, as not everyone thinks to look here? The closest thing at the moment is Wikipedia:Categorization#Setting a default sort key. Could that be spun out into a subpage and bot details added? Carcharoth 18:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed this being added to a few talk pages. Personally, I don't see a point to this. It seems overly bureaucratic and picky, really no reason to do it. Other opinions? Wizardman 01:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Template:Lifetime -- Bejnar ( talk) 18:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
This question arises because of the use of Template:DEFAULTSORT. What is the English convention for alphabetization of names with a single letter following a given name? Some examples are Stevie B, Marga T, Eric B., and Schooly D. My contention is that, since these single letters are not legal surnames and, in some cases are not even derived from the surname initial (Stevie B and Schooly D), they should not be used for alphabetization. So, Stevie B would be sorted under Stevie, not B, Marga T under Marga, not T. If you have some input, please discuss it at WT:MOSBIO. — AjaxSmack 01:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I just got to this page to figure out what default sort is. This page is linked from User_talk:DefaultsortBot. I have no additional information as to what defaultsort is or what it does. Is it possible to link to a page that gives information as to what defaultsort is? PDBailey ( talk) 12:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
A simple question: Why are the first letters of all (or most) words entered as the sort key of {{ DEFAULTSORT}} frequently capitalized without any regard to proper English or even the name of the article? Here are a few examples, with the word(s) in question bolded:
Just wanted to know if there was any reason for this, if it really is necessary to retain improper capitalization (for the record, many articles do use the correct capitalization already), and if I might be missing something. -- Sgt. R.K. Blue ( talk) 21:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In English Wikipedia, sort order merges (ignores) case and diacritics. For example, "Baé", "Båf", "BaG" would be sorted in that order.Also I've never seen a bot add a sortkey. -- DB1729 talk 15:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Is it possible to detect all the articles about people that don't contain DEFAULTSORT ? I know many articles don't need the DEFAULTSORT key, but I want to know if it's possible to do that. — Ark25 ( talk) 13:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Please see this discussion about the Lifetime template. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be a good idea to create a clone of this template but with a different name, for example PDEFAULTSORT (P stands for Person) and to use it only in articles about people. Then it would be very easy to count the number of articles about people. — Ark25 ( talk) 23:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
How to apply the template for people who don't have a Western "First name + Family name"? I encounter this problem in relation with Ethiopian, Sudanese and South Indian names. Any takers? -- Soman ( talk) 07:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
{{
Indian name}}
we use the given name for Defaultsort, or at least that's how I've seen it done. —
Spaceman
Spiff
05:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)DEFAULTSORT on my edit did not work. Is there any problem? -- Tijd-jp ( talk) 14:08, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
My specific concern is about the article Bayram al-Tunisi which is its new name. It was moved from "Mahmud Bayram el-Tunsi". Everything updated except the DEFAULTSORT which still reflects the old name ({{DEFAULTSORT:Bayram el-Tunsi, Mahmud}}). I'm pretty sure I should change this, but I'm unsure about the proper formatting of the name. The simple formula "surname, forename" seems to be open to interpretation with Arabic names which include the definite article "al-". For example, here are several variations:
DEFAULTSORT | Page Title |
---|---|
DEFAULTSORT:Atrash, Farid al | Farid al-Atrash |
DEFAULTSORT:Attas, Syed Farid | Syed Farid al-Attas |
DEFAULTSORT:Sahlawi, Mohammad | Mohammad Al-Sahlawi |
DEFAULTSORT:Asiri, Khalid (!!) | Ibrahim al-Asiri |
DEFAULTSORT:Jaafari, Ibrahim | Ibrahim al-Jaafari |
DEFAULTSORT:Kashgari, Mahmud Al- | Mahmud al-Kashgari |
Are there any opinions about the "correct" way this should be done? Thanks for your attention. Akhooha ( talk) 17:50, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Please remove extra leading and trailing rows in display. -- 5.43.78.148 ( talk) 19:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I have been using the DEFAULTSORT tag to fix some errors in stub categories for American politicians; either fixing incorrect ones or in some cases adding the tag to articles that don't have it. However, instead of putting them in alphabetical sequence, this is what is happening: ex. is for Category:Tennessee politician stubs
where I would expect Howard to be between Horn and Dan Howell; it instead puts it at the end of the H listing. I double checked to make sure I hadn't misspelled the tag, and it looks right. Is there a coding problem I'm missing (I wouldn't necessarily be able to fix it)... also this seems to have started recently. Any help appreciated. -- FeanorStar7 ( talk) 04:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Template:SORTIERUNG:Lasorling. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 11#Template:SORTIERUNG:Lasorling until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
16:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
DEFAULTSORT:Chemet, Renée contains alphabet. should alphabets be in plain or can be accented like "é"? — ashtamatrikas ( talk • contrib • actions) 07:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
English Wikipedia groups accented characters together with their unaccented version, so pages starting with À, Á, Ä, will be listed under heading A.Unless I'm misunderstanding something, this means "é" will be interpreted as the equivalent to "e". (So it would read that sort key as "Chemet, Renee") -- DB1729 talk 13:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
In English Wikipedia, sort order merges (ignores) case and diacritics. For example, "Baé", "Båf", "BaG" would be sorted in that order.I read 'ignores' and thought it meant ignores the entire letter. 🤦 That's my bad. :3 F4U ( they/it) 13:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Is this just for article pages, or are we supposed to use DEFAULTSORT on redirects for former/birth names, etc., as well? 1980fast ( talk) 21:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
{{DEFAULTSORT:(surname), (given name)}}
for correct
category sorting of this person's name."
1980fast (
talk)
22:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
[[:Category:Redirects from birth names]]
Is {{ DEFAULTSORT}} supposed to be used on species pages? If so, is it supposed to be {{ DEFAULTSORT:Genus species}} or {{ DEFAULTSORT:Species, Genus}}? Thanks in advance. -- Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
![]() | This template was considered for deletion on 2007 August 5. The result of the discussion was "keep". |
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
DEFAULTSORT template. |
|
there is no "widespread confusion".
All it seems to do is use the magic word and the parameter. Surely it's redundant to simply using the magic word? -- kingboyk 21:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
<includeonly> [[Image:Important.svg|25px]] '''The correct syntax is <code>{{DEFAULTSORT:{{{1}}}}}</code>''' [[Template:DEFAULTSORT|More info]][[Image:Important.svg|25px]] </includeonly> <noinclude> This template was created because some editors wrongly use <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT|sortkey}} instead of the proper syntax {{DEFAULTSORT:sortkey}}</nowiki>. DEFAULTSORT is a [[Help:Magic words|magic word]], not a [[Help:Template|template]]. For more info, see [[Help:Categories#Default sort key]] and [[Help:Magic words#Miscellany]] </noinclude>
(←) I don't think such a thing should appear in articles as it would affect all ~600 pages where it is currently used and would just look unsightly and force people to fix something that isn't causing any problems. As far as fixing, it shouldn't be the only change made as there is no benefit to doing it and would be terribly minor. I have been fixing such occurrences using WP:AWB as I have had the fix integrated into the general fixes, and then running through the articles fixing spelling mistakes or performing other edits such as adding categories or stub templates or just fixing other things that are wrong at the same time. I do think however that it should be made more clear on the template page that this template shouldn't be used and that the magic word should be used instead. matt br 09:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
In order to prevent you can make a gadget that is turned on by default, and when save page is clicked it replaces template by magic word. I can't imagine a one-liner (because of nowiki tag etc.) but some smarter people might come up with it.--
Dixtosa (
talk)
10:39, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Should articles that currently have all categories individually sorted (such as article of names sorted with last name first) be edited to instead use this template or the magic word? Or does it really matter which method is used? — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 20:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I edited a page which already contained DEFAULTSORT in, then shortly after made another edit. You can see the diffs here: [1]. The only edit I made for the newer version was to add an endspoiler tag...and yet the DEFAULTSORT seems to have been applied, removed, and also removed my previous changes. I also didn't change the "Dead body|corpse" wikilink...what's going on?? Burns flipper 15:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
To reduce the use of this template and to get people to use the magic word, how about putting something like this on the template page:
![]() | Please read before use: Please use {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}. This means the magic word is used instead of this template. |
Any thoughts? matt br 11:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
![]() | Please use {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}, with a colon (":"), not a pipe symbol ("|"). This uses the magic word directly instead of using the template to call the magic word. |
Yeah, {{ warning}} is probably a bit forceful, but we still want to essentially say 'don't use this template'. How about using {{ important}}?
![]() | Please use {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}, with a colon (":"), not a pipe symbol ("|"). This uses the magic word directly instead of using the template to call the magic word. |
I think it's a bit more attention grabbing than {{ notice}}, but without some of the forcefulness of {{ warning}}. matt br 12:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
(Comment moved) "To reduce the use of this template..." I don't understand. What is the harm is using this template over the magic word? Are the magic words processed faster or something? I have been using this template instead of the magic word because I thought there was no real difference. Please explain. — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 22:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Please make one; I tire of having to type "DEFAULTSORT" in all-caps all the time (and have others correct it since "defaultsort:" doesn't work). Thanks. - Eep² 12:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Please add new interwiki for fr:Modèle:DEFAULTSORT
[[fr:Modèle:DEFAULTSORT]]
(I've already updated the French and Russian interwikis.)
62.147.36.186 13:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Can't we just get a bot to add all of these? Like look at the categories, if over half have the same LAST, FIRST pattern, then just add a DEFUALTSORT:LAST, FIRST and delete all the |LAST, FIRST s that are in the categories? DOes that make sense? -- Rajah 10:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
[[Category:1902 births|Laxness, Halldor]] [[Category:1998 deaths|Laxness, Halldor]] [[Category:Nobel laureates in Literature|Laxness, Halldor]] [[Category:Icelandic people]]
How exactly is this supposed to work? I just added the template to Jake Peavy. When I went to look at Category:San Diego Padres players, Peavy was displayed as "Jake Peavy" and under the P section. Am i correctly assuming that these articles are still displayed by page name but sorted by the defaultsort? Long levi 21:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
One advantage of using templates over magic words is that you can easily track use of the magic word via the template. You could, for instance, create a category called Category:Articles using the DEFAULTSORT magic word via the DEFAULTSORT template, or look at the transclusion list (in what links here) for this template. I am unaware of any equivalent way to do this for DEFAULTSORT. Is there a way to list all articles using DEFAULTSORT, and conversely to list all articles that lack DEFAULTSORT? Carcharoth 12:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Following on from the section at the top of the talk page, I see that less than 200 pages link to this template. May I ask if there is a bot that replaces tranclusions of this template with the magic word (ie. changing a | to a :) and leaves a note on the talk page of the person who incorrectly used the template, telling them to use the magic word, not the template? If not, that would seem to be one way to prevent any future confusion. Though the small list of what links here seems to suggest that people do now in general correctly use the magic word instead of the template, it would be best to guard against some future upswing in misuse. Carcharoth 13:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
#defaultsort "magic word"
{{
Editprotected}}
Please move the non-template material to
Template:DEFAULTSORT/doc (see
Template:Fact and
Template:Fact/doc for example) so that documentation can be edited without affecting template. Then add {{tfd|{{subst:PAGENAME}}}} to the top of the template, per
WP:TFD. —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)›
23:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
On one page, it just came up with a blue box with the options "view" and "edit", and then after. I removed the latter, but it still seemed that clicking on view or edit did not work properly. -- Beardo 01:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
There are several bots that do defaultsort where the existing category sort keys are in agreement. I know the operator of User:SmackBot has an approved task to do DEFAULTSORT for people stubs (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SmackBot XIII), but that only applies when "there is an unambiguous sort key given to existing categories". There is also Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BOTijo 5, but that too has the restriction "Only put DEFAULTSORT when all categories in article have the same SORT".
Essentially, these restrictions is because a human is needed to judge whether the name is of the form "GIVEN NAME, FAMILY NAME". You might think that the last name is the family name, but sometimes you have double surname that are not hyphenated, or you have some Asian names (and other countries as well) that are in the form "FAMILY NAME, GIVEN NAME", so they need to be sorted by the first word in the the title, not the last. It is possible that the category sort keys are wrong, but in that case the bots are only perpetuating errors, not introducing new ones.
I'm currently trying to gather more information on whether other bots exist and whether AWB has a DEFAULTSORT suggestion option. A lot of the information of DEFAULTSORT is scattered around different pages. Might it be an idea to have Wikipedia:DEFAULTSORT, as not everyone thinks to look here? The closest thing at the moment is Wikipedia:Categorization#Setting a default sort key. Could that be spun out into a subpage and bot details added? Carcharoth 18:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed this being added to a few talk pages. Personally, I don't see a point to this. It seems overly bureaucratic and picky, really no reason to do it. Other opinions? Wizardman 01:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Template:Lifetime -- Bejnar ( talk) 18:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
This question arises because of the use of Template:DEFAULTSORT. What is the English convention for alphabetization of names with a single letter following a given name? Some examples are Stevie B, Marga T, Eric B., and Schooly D. My contention is that, since these single letters are not legal surnames and, in some cases are not even derived from the surname initial (Stevie B and Schooly D), they should not be used for alphabetization. So, Stevie B would be sorted under Stevie, not B, Marga T under Marga, not T. If you have some input, please discuss it at WT:MOSBIO. — AjaxSmack 01:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I just got to this page to figure out what default sort is. This page is linked from User_talk:DefaultsortBot. I have no additional information as to what defaultsort is or what it does. Is it possible to link to a page that gives information as to what defaultsort is? PDBailey ( talk) 12:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
A simple question: Why are the first letters of all (or most) words entered as the sort key of {{ DEFAULTSORT}} frequently capitalized without any regard to proper English or even the name of the article? Here are a few examples, with the word(s) in question bolded:
Just wanted to know if there was any reason for this, if it really is necessary to retain improper capitalization (for the record, many articles do use the correct capitalization already), and if I might be missing something. -- Sgt. R.K. Blue ( talk) 21:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In English Wikipedia, sort order merges (ignores) case and diacritics. For example, "Baé", "Båf", "BaG" would be sorted in that order.Also I've never seen a bot add a sortkey. -- DB1729 talk 15:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Is it possible to detect all the articles about people that don't contain DEFAULTSORT ? I know many articles don't need the DEFAULTSORT key, but I want to know if it's possible to do that. — Ark25 ( talk) 13:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Please see this discussion about the Lifetime template. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:07, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be a good idea to create a clone of this template but with a different name, for example PDEFAULTSORT (P stands for Person) and to use it only in articles about people. Then it would be very easy to count the number of articles about people. — Ark25 ( talk) 23:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
How to apply the template for people who don't have a Western "First name + Family name"? I encounter this problem in relation with Ethiopian, Sudanese and South Indian names. Any takers? -- Soman ( talk) 07:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
{{
Indian name}}
we use the given name for Defaultsort, or at least that's how I've seen it done. —
Spaceman
Spiff
05:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)DEFAULTSORT on my edit did not work. Is there any problem? -- Tijd-jp ( talk) 14:08, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
My specific concern is about the article Bayram al-Tunisi which is its new name. It was moved from "Mahmud Bayram el-Tunsi". Everything updated except the DEFAULTSORT which still reflects the old name ({{DEFAULTSORT:Bayram el-Tunsi, Mahmud}}). I'm pretty sure I should change this, but I'm unsure about the proper formatting of the name. The simple formula "surname, forename" seems to be open to interpretation with Arabic names which include the definite article "al-". For example, here are several variations:
DEFAULTSORT | Page Title |
---|---|
DEFAULTSORT:Atrash, Farid al | Farid al-Atrash |
DEFAULTSORT:Attas, Syed Farid | Syed Farid al-Attas |
DEFAULTSORT:Sahlawi, Mohammad | Mohammad Al-Sahlawi |
DEFAULTSORT:Asiri, Khalid (!!) | Ibrahim al-Asiri |
DEFAULTSORT:Jaafari, Ibrahim | Ibrahim al-Jaafari |
DEFAULTSORT:Kashgari, Mahmud Al- | Mahmud al-Kashgari |
Are there any opinions about the "correct" way this should be done? Thanks for your attention. Akhooha ( talk) 17:50, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Please remove extra leading and trailing rows in display. -- 5.43.78.148 ( talk) 19:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I have been using the DEFAULTSORT tag to fix some errors in stub categories for American politicians; either fixing incorrect ones or in some cases adding the tag to articles that don't have it. However, instead of putting them in alphabetical sequence, this is what is happening: ex. is for Category:Tennessee politician stubs
where I would expect Howard to be between Horn and Dan Howell; it instead puts it at the end of the H listing. I double checked to make sure I hadn't misspelled the tag, and it looks right. Is there a coding problem I'm missing (I wouldn't necessarily be able to fix it)... also this seems to have started recently. Any help appreciated. -- FeanorStar7 ( talk) 04:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Template:SORTIERUNG:Lasorling. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 11#Template:SORTIERUNG:Lasorling until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
16:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
DEFAULTSORT:Chemet, Renée contains alphabet. should alphabets be in plain or can be accented like "é"? — ashtamatrikas ( talk • contrib • actions) 07:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
English Wikipedia groups accented characters together with their unaccented version, so pages starting with À, Á, Ä, will be listed under heading A.Unless I'm misunderstanding something, this means "é" will be interpreted as the equivalent to "e". (So it would read that sort key as "Chemet, Renee") -- DB1729 talk 13:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
In English Wikipedia, sort order merges (ignores) case and diacritics. For example, "Baé", "Båf", "BaG" would be sorted in that order.I read 'ignores' and thought it meant ignores the entire letter. 🤦 That's my bad. :3 F4U ( they/it) 13:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Is this just for article pages, or are we supposed to use DEFAULTSORT on redirects for former/birth names, etc., as well? 1980fast ( talk) 21:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
{{DEFAULTSORT:(surname), (given name)}}
for correct
category sorting of this person's name."
1980fast (
talk)
22:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
[[:Category:Redirects from birth names]]
Is {{ DEFAULTSORT}} supposed to be used on species pages? If so, is it supposed to be {{ DEFAULTSORT:Genus species}} or {{ DEFAULTSORT:Species, Genus}}? Thanks in advance. -- Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)