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Moving this to County Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown (the usual Irish format, rather than having the 'county' at the end). Edited to add: (Oops, forgot to sign - this was me, Bastun).
This turns out to be a wider problem than I had thought :( I have just been looking at Template:Irish county navigation box/doc, which has been extensively rewritten by Schcambo, and I'm afraid that the structure outlined there is far too complicated and amounts to original research. It also contains some basic flaws, such as relegating townlands to an "other" category, which is simply wrong. Please Schcambo, can you stop any further work in this are pending a wider discussion?
A note on the tempalte's talk page is a good idea, but it will only come to the attention of anyone who has the template watchlist, which is why you got no response. This discussion should be flagged up on WT:IE. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) âą ( contribs) 16:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Schcambo, I am not joking with you. The census is an exercise in collecting population data, but you are treating it as if it was an attempt to create a generalised structure for Irish geography. The census page to which you linked from Template:Irish county navigation box/doc explicitly rejects any such aim. It begins with the words "For census purposes" ... yet you are claiming that these definitions have a wider meaning "in the Irish context". If you read that CSO page, you'll see that the CSO itself doesn't follow the town council boundaries, so it should be clear even from that page that there are many competing definitions. Trying to use the CSO structure for other purposes creates absurdities such as your labelling on this template of Glencullen as a "town" but Blackrock as a village. (Do you know these places?)
That much could be described as using an inappropriate source, but this edit (which defines a village as having less than 1,000 inhabitants) is pure original research.
This whole issue has already been resolved for categorisation purposes by creating catchall categories of "towns and villages" such as Category:Towns and villages in County Kerry. That option should be considered for the templates, but this is all part of a wider issue relating to the template, and any further discussion on the generalities should take place on the template's talk page: Template talk:Irish county navigation box.
In the meantime, though, it is clear that Sarah777 was right to blank this template, because it is seriously wrong. I will now blank it again pending the development of some framework which allows this template to be recreated with some accuracy. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) âą ( contribs) 18:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Hope this makes sense! Sarah777 ( talk) 14:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
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Moving this to County Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown (the usual Irish format, rather than having the 'county' at the end). Edited to add: (Oops, forgot to sign - this was me, Bastun).
This turns out to be a wider problem than I had thought :( I have just been looking at Template:Irish county navigation box/doc, which has been extensively rewritten by Schcambo, and I'm afraid that the structure outlined there is far too complicated and amounts to original research. It also contains some basic flaws, such as relegating townlands to an "other" category, which is simply wrong. Please Schcambo, can you stop any further work in this are pending a wider discussion?
A note on the tempalte's talk page is a good idea, but it will only come to the attention of anyone who has the template watchlist, which is why you got no response. This discussion should be flagged up on WT:IE. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) âą ( contribs) 16:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Schcambo, I am not joking with you. The census is an exercise in collecting population data, but you are treating it as if it was an attempt to create a generalised structure for Irish geography. The census page to which you linked from Template:Irish county navigation box/doc explicitly rejects any such aim. It begins with the words "For census purposes" ... yet you are claiming that these definitions have a wider meaning "in the Irish context". If you read that CSO page, you'll see that the CSO itself doesn't follow the town council boundaries, so it should be clear even from that page that there are many competing definitions. Trying to use the CSO structure for other purposes creates absurdities such as your labelling on this template of Glencullen as a "town" but Blackrock as a village. (Do you know these places?)
That much could be described as using an inappropriate source, but this edit (which defines a village as having less than 1,000 inhabitants) is pure original research.
This whole issue has already been resolved for categorisation purposes by creating catchall categories of "towns and villages" such as Category:Towns and villages in County Kerry. That option should be considered for the templates, but this is all part of a wider issue relating to the template, and any further discussion on the generalities should take place on the template's talk page: Template talk:Irish county navigation box.
In the meantime, though, it is clear that Sarah777 was right to blank this template, because it is seriously wrong. I will now blank it again pending the development of some framework which allows this template to be recreated with some accuracy. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) âą ( contribs) 18:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Hope this makes sense! Sarah777 ( talk) 14:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)