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THis is not the Flag of Northern Ireland and should not be used as such.-- Vintagekits 23:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to raise this issue again, as it's been more than a year since it was discussed. NI has no flag. Therefore the "noflag" option is the only viable option to use for "alias" and "flag alias". This option offends nobody, since it is legally and factually accurate. The Union flag is the flag of the Union itself, not it's constituent parts. The "Ulster Banner" was terminated in 1972. Please edit this template to use the "noflag" option, which puts this issue to bed. Stevenmc ( talk) 10:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
banner
and football
variants to still allow its usage in sports contexts ({{flagcountry|Northern Ireland/sandbox|banner}}
→ {{fb|Northern Ireland/sandbox}}
→ {{flagcountry|Northern Ireland/sandbox}}
→ Getting back to this issue, alot of templates used on Northern Ireland articles use the template: NIR
Northern Ireland which links back to this template here, the flag used here is not the Northern Ireland flag, and hasn't been for the past 35yrs. In fact this flag can't even be flown from any N Ireland government building, the use of this flag is highly POV. The Main Northern Ireland article has now removed the flag from the infobox, and the debate in the
talkpage there is to now use
instead on infobox relating to Northern Ireland. In light of this it would be easier to make one change here instead of having to edit every infobox on the wiki, to either remove the flag completely or use the
Image:NIShape.gif.--
padraig3uk
07:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like the other proposed flags of NI in the Variants section, being:
I think until a final flag is chosen, this should give people the possibility to chose if they don't like the old, 1973 abolished, flag. This does not want to forestall the end of the current discussion, but merely make the template workable in that people not liking the old unionist flag can now chose one of the more neutral flags to display. -- 85.181.35.144 19:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
As the page is protected to prevent vandalism and POV edits; and as above, I explained why my proposal is neither vandalism nor POV.
So, I request now to edit the following variants into the template:
Explanation:
So I ask an editor to please incorporate the obove variants into the Country Data Template. -- 85.181.10.42 14:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}}
{{flagicon|Ulster}}
, which I created today. This usage seems to apply to articles that refer to the four provinces (such as
All-Ireland Junior Football Championship, so why do you object to it?{{flagicon|United Kingdom}}
country data
templates when there is a main Wikipedia article associated with it. That's one reason why I created
Template:Country data Ulster, since we have an article on
Ulster. That also explains why
Template:Country data Nazi Germany exists in addition to the Nazi
variant of
Template:Country data Germany. Quite a few WWII articles like the wikilink to point to the
Nazi Germany article, so we needed a distinction between {{flag|Germany|Nazi}}
and {{flag|Nazi Germany|name=Germany}}
. The former renders as {{flag?|United Kingdom}} where ? is "" or "country"
" links to
United Kingdom. Here, the Union Jack as sole and only gouvernemental approved official flag of
Northern Ireland shall point there. "See the difference?"{{flagicon|United Kingdom}} [[Northern Ireland]]
is indeed a valid solution for individual articles that you want that to appear in.{{flagicon|United Kingdom}} [[Northern Ireland]]
to be a valid solution. I still say {{flagcountry|Northern Ireland|Union}}
is an easier solution. Furthermore, "flagicon" may be "by far the most common template". flag and flagcountry still exist and are no deletion candidates, however, so it is still valid to use them and to want to use them. Apart from that, as an informatician, I consider the usage of a template for one country for another country dirty. If I mean United Kingdom, I shall use a template for the UK; if I mean Northern Ireland, a UK template is not appropriate. This is however Hypertext puritanism, and I would swallow it if it were the only reason.union
variant has been added. Use {{flag|Northern Ireland|union}}
to render {{flagcountry|NIR|union}}
→ flag
template will work with the country code, but it will use "NIR" as the display string, like this: {{flag|NIR|union}}
→ flag
template exclusively. I've seen multiple instances where editors felt it necessary to add comments to wiki markup to help explain obscure codes used for these templates. My response is why bother writing {{DZA}} <!-- Algeria -->
when {{flag|Algeria}}
is simpler!Topic: I created aliases "Northern Irish" and "Irish (Northern)".
I see you created a northern Irish template, can I ask you why, their is no such nationality, anyone from Northern Ireland is either Irish or British or both.-- padraig 13:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
—
Hello. In a nutshell, it's not a template but a redirect that's needed to generate an alias parameter for use in {{ Flag}} with data from Template:Country data Northern Ireland.
In details: I created a redirect to the existing countrydata template for Northern Ireland. (Actually two redirects, "Northern Irish" and "Irish (Northern)" to allow some choice). Creating such a redirect is needed in order to create/enable an alias in the parameters of the {{ Flag}} templates. For instance we have the basic:
But thanks to the alias/redirect at Template:Country data British we also have:
{{Flag|British}}
So, on this model, I created/enabled an alias for "Irish", which can only redirect to the flag template for Republic of Ireland:
{{Flag|Irish}}
However, the badly-named countrydata project is actually a flagdata project for all manner of *flags*, including "countrydata" templates such as:
So for them I similarly created aliases "English", "Welsh", "Scottish", plus "Northern Irish" and "Irish (Northern)".
Now the tricky part, and one reason I was working on this, is that people just keep on deleting "British" in infoboxes and such, and replace it with "English" or "Welsh" and such -- even though you're right they're not nationalities in the way the rest of the world understand this word. Having to constantly revert/edit "nationality" fields from "English" to "British" is a waste of time, so I'm thinking of trying to deter the problem with a dual thing such as:
Hence the clumsy aliases/redirects for the Northern Ireland flag: we can't use "Irish" and the Republic of Ireland flag for the case of British citizens from Northern Ireland. You can also see the essay at WP:FLAGCRUFT on that hot topic.
— Komusou talk @ 14:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
{{Flag|British}}
{{Flag|Irish}}
name=
param without needing any alias. —
Komusou
talk @
15:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)nationality=
field of various infoboxes, especially the biographical infoboxes. I have summarized an illustrated case study about the P. G. Wodehouse article, you can see it
at the talk page for the FLAGCRUFT essay —
Komusou
talk @
21:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)name=
is needed. It would even be more useful for many readers, who may know a country name (Netherlands) better than its demonym (Dutch).
(Details at FLAGCRUFT-Talk...) —
Komusou
talk @
10:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)name=
param, so my creating the aliases is harmless in itself with that respect. As for Gerry Adams, I guess that if the nationality=
field of his infobox was enabled, he would still benefit from the shortcut {{Flag|Irish}} instead of having to type {{Flag|Ireland|name=Irish}} in order to get {{Flag|Irish}}. If the editors of
Gerry Adams prefer to disable this field on such a hot article that's understandable, but for most articles there is no such restriction and the aliases would be handy; as for the specific alias for "Northern Irish", it'll be like it is today: on articles where editors got a consensus for displaying a text such as "Nationality: British (Northern Irish)" then they'll have the possibility of chosing by consensus one variant among such, including using the generic alias:nationality=
field, then they won't have any flag to add anyway. As I see it, the aliases don't create additional trouble, because the root problem is about which text labels to use or not.name=
param. If there are edit wars, they'll be about the text labels to put anyway, even if flags were banned. The flags are just on top of whatever "Nationality" has been decided by the editors, and the "Northern Irish" alias is just completing the series for that.{{flag|English}}
, {{flag|Welsh}}
, {{flag|Scottish}}
, or {{flag|Northern Irish}}
as they aren't official designations of citizenship. Of course, that could be a function of me being from the US. --
Bobblehead
(rants)
21:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)I would like to change the alt attribute
of this template. In most browsers, when you mouse-over the image, you will see "Flag of Northern Ireland", and I think it is preferable to see "Ulster Banner" instead. I'm also expecting that someday the image file itself will be changed (e.g. to
Image:Ulster Banner.svg on Commons), but that is a different issue. If I change the alt attribute now, it would also read "Ulster Banner" with the union
and assembly
flag variants, which is clearly incorrect. Therefore, I would like to propose the removal of those two flag variants. After the big debate a few months ago that led to their inclusion, I note that the union
variant appears to be completely unused, and the assembly
variant is only used in two places (one template, one article). Comments requested before I do anything.
Andrwsc (
talk)
21:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
How about the Assembly fag to be added to the template as an option? It could be used when the term Northern Ireland is used in lists that require a flag (eg List of national anthems).
It strikes me that since the choice of passports, the Union Jack fits best as a full-on "national" flag (and I've always seen Northern Ireland is a created British country, though it's more complex than that I know). I am just about to try using the 'union' parameter, since someone has removed the current NI flag from the national anthem list (ie. the automatic 'Ulster banner' on the template - which sounds like an unhappy compromise, reading the above). It will show the Union Jack, but I don't hold a lot of hope in it sticking.
If the Assembly flag would stop people from removing the flag in these type of lists, why not have the option to use it? It is clearly designed to be a striking symbol - perhaps with this use in mind? I don't think the Welsh Assembly even has a flag (there is some kind of 'caligraphy' version of the dragon they use as a symbol). The Scottish Parliament flag is very officious-looking and has it's full title on it. Perhaps using the Assembly flag could cover dual citizenship better too? At the moment the List of national anthems corrupts when someone clicks on the up/down column arrow, as the lack of NI flag (though it's the only flag that is missing) confuses it - not an ideal situation (to state the obvious, I know).-- Matt Lewis ( talk) 00:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
Please see:
To solve the alphabetical sorting problem we must use some variation of
To avoid edit warring I would like a variant that uses a blank placeholder image. A transparent gif or something. So no flag would be seen. Then sorting would work, and no one would be offended.
I used {{editprotected}} in this talk section because I think we need some expert admin help. I don't know how to find or create the suggested variant. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 01:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll add a variant "blank".
— TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The excuse that some sports bodies use it, and I emphasize some, is not a tangable argument for keeping it as the main linked country flag. The Union flag is the only official flag. It is a nonsense to use a flag, defunct for some 35 years, as the primary flag. Mr Parker ( talk) 23:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
{{
fb|NIR}}
etc.), to Commonwealth Games teams, to golfers from Northern Ireland, to the netball team, etc. all use that flag in the present day, and there is consensus for this usage. It would be awkward and inappropriate to burden those instances with having to specify a flag variant label in the template call. Also, there is no way for the flag template system to render no image; the closest is to render a white space or something, but that is misleading because it looks like a white flag. I still maintain that the best course of action is to patrol the pages that link to this template and replace the inappropriate instances with {{
noflag}}
(or outright removal), than it would be to edit ~2500 pages to install a variant label. —
Andrwsc (
talk ·
contribs)
15:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)I would like to request for opinion and up to date consensus with regards to the flag used in {{flagcountry|Northern Ireland}}. The current flag is the
Ulster Banner (
Northern Ireland). It's use is inappropriate to represent Northern Ireland since the Ulster Banner is no longer the official flag of Northern Ireland and for this reason I feel it should be replaced (but not by the absence of any flag or symbol). It was suggested previously that
is used. Opinions please.
Qwerta369 (
talk)
12:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
{{flag|Northern Ireland|blank}}
an option, or perhaps explaining how to use {{
noflag}} in the documentation. While most of the uses I've seen are appropriate, I'm sure there are a lot of inappropriate ones around. —
W
F
C—
18:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
With Ulster being included in related links, should not the other three provinces ( Leinster, Munster, and Connacht) be included? -- The Three Headed Knight ( talk) 05:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Shouden't we add more flag options? According to the Flag of Northern Ireland article the " St Patrick's Saltire is used the by government to represent Northern Ireland when a uniquely Northern Irish flag is required". Maybe also the Flag of Ulster. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 08:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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Making an official request to add the saltire.— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 04:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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Requesting that the flag of the Northern Ireland Assembly and the St Patrick's Saltire, which is sometimes used to represent Northern Ireland in politics, be added to the list of variations. The proposed changes can be seen in full here. This will give people valid alternatives to use, other than no flag, when the Ulster Banner and Union Flag are not suitable to represent Northern Ireland. Clyde1998 ( talk) 14:51, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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I would like to edit this page, because today I noticed that the flag on the template is missing. (Replaced with a null image.) And I can't fix that due to the protection pages. Can I please fix the issue? Thanks, #bodyContent a[title="User:Aaxelpediaa"] { background-color: #0000ff; color: #ff0000; font-weight: bold; ( talk) 09:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
"assembly" currently points to the PNG file File:NI flax V1.png
. An SVG version is now available and this template should be updated accordingly: File:Flag of Northern Ireland Assembly.svg
. Thank you.
Carter (
talk)
15:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
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The proposed changes can be seen in full at Template:Country data Northern Ireland/sandbox.
The proposal includes Carter's request of using an SVG file for the Assembly's flag instead of the current PNG.
Furthermore, the proposal uses the blank File:Flag placeholder.svg as the default flag, with the Ulster Banner remaining a variant that can be used in certain contexts. This is appropriate because the Ulster Banner is not the Flag of Northern Ireland. We had a similar situation with Mississippi, which did not have a flag for a while, and we used the placeholder flag back then. It is not appropriate to use the Ulster Banner as the default flag, like the template currently does, because it is not the flag of Northern Ireland. -- Fippe ( talk) 12:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
For the Luddites amongst us (me), please can you explain the proposed change? Giant Snowman 21:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Comparison of alphabetic country codes#Northern Ireland flag. FDW777 ( talk) 13:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
There should be a null or blank flag, since NI has no official flag. The Ulster Banner (current one used) is highly political and not offocial. Eccekevin ( talk) 01:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
This has been much discussed but no consensus has ever been reached. As Northern Ireland has no official flag to represent Northern Ireland specifically, at least not yet, it would seem sensible to me for the "Northern Ireland" flag template to direct to a blank template.
The Ulster Banner (which is currently linked when the Northern Ireland flag template is used) has been agreed to be used only pertaining to sports organisations that use it and in a historical context. As such it should be a variant ("banner", perhaps), but linking it as the flag for Northern Ireland is currently not suitable in my opinion. Bbx118 ( talk) 19:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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THis is not the Flag of Northern Ireland and should not be used as such.-- Vintagekits 23:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to raise this issue again, as it's been more than a year since it was discussed. NI has no flag. Therefore the "noflag" option is the only viable option to use for "alias" and "flag alias". This option offends nobody, since it is legally and factually accurate. The Union flag is the flag of the Union itself, not it's constituent parts. The "Ulster Banner" was terminated in 1972. Please edit this template to use the "noflag" option, which puts this issue to bed. Stevenmc ( talk) 10:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
banner
and football
variants to still allow its usage in sports contexts ({{flagcountry|Northern Ireland/sandbox|banner}}
→ {{fb|Northern Ireland/sandbox}}
→ {{flagcountry|Northern Ireland/sandbox}}
→ Getting back to this issue, alot of templates used on Northern Ireland articles use the template: NIR
Northern Ireland which links back to this template here, the flag used here is not the Northern Ireland flag, and hasn't been for the past 35yrs. In fact this flag can't even be flown from any N Ireland government building, the use of this flag is highly POV. The Main Northern Ireland article has now removed the flag from the infobox, and the debate in the
talkpage there is to now use
instead on infobox relating to Northern Ireland. In light of this it would be easier to make one change here instead of having to edit every infobox on the wiki, to either remove the flag completely or use the
Image:NIShape.gif.--
padraig3uk
07:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like the other proposed flags of NI in the Variants section, being:
I think until a final flag is chosen, this should give people the possibility to chose if they don't like the old, 1973 abolished, flag. This does not want to forestall the end of the current discussion, but merely make the template workable in that people not liking the old unionist flag can now chose one of the more neutral flags to display. -- 85.181.35.144 19:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
As the page is protected to prevent vandalism and POV edits; and as above, I explained why my proposal is neither vandalism nor POV.
So, I request now to edit the following variants into the template:
Explanation:
So I ask an editor to please incorporate the obove variants into the Country Data Template. -- 85.181.10.42 14:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}}
{{flagicon|Ulster}}
, which I created today. This usage seems to apply to articles that refer to the four provinces (such as
All-Ireland Junior Football Championship, so why do you object to it?{{flagicon|United Kingdom}}
country data
templates when there is a main Wikipedia article associated with it. That's one reason why I created
Template:Country data Ulster, since we have an article on
Ulster. That also explains why
Template:Country data Nazi Germany exists in addition to the Nazi
variant of
Template:Country data Germany. Quite a few WWII articles like the wikilink to point to the
Nazi Germany article, so we needed a distinction between {{flag|Germany|Nazi}}
and {{flag|Nazi Germany|name=Germany}}
. The former renders as {{flag?|United Kingdom}} where ? is "" or "country"
" links to
United Kingdom. Here, the Union Jack as sole and only gouvernemental approved official flag of
Northern Ireland shall point there. "See the difference?"{{flagicon|United Kingdom}} [[Northern Ireland]]
is indeed a valid solution for individual articles that you want that to appear in.{{flagicon|United Kingdom}} [[Northern Ireland]]
to be a valid solution. I still say {{flagcountry|Northern Ireland|Union}}
is an easier solution. Furthermore, "flagicon" may be "by far the most common template". flag and flagcountry still exist and are no deletion candidates, however, so it is still valid to use them and to want to use them. Apart from that, as an informatician, I consider the usage of a template for one country for another country dirty. If I mean United Kingdom, I shall use a template for the UK; if I mean Northern Ireland, a UK template is not appropriate. This is however Hypertext puritanism, and I would swallow it if it were the only reason.union
variant has been added. Use {{flag|Northern Ireland|union}}
to render {{flagcountry|NIR|union}}
→ flag
template will work with the country code, but it will use "NIR" as the display string, like this: {{flag|NIR|union}}
→ flag
template exclusively. I've seen multiple instances where editors felt it necessary to add comments to wiki markup to help explain obscure codes used for these templates. My response is why bother writing {{DZA}} <!-- Algeria -->
when {{flag|Algeria}}
is simpler!Topic: I created aliases "Northern Irish" and "Irish (Northern)".
I see you created a northern Irish template, can I ask you why, their is no such nationality, anyone from Northern Ireland is either Irish or British or both.-- padraig 13:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
—
Hello. In a nutshell, it's not a template but a redirect that's needed to generate an alias parameter for use in {{ Flag}} with data from Template:Country data Northern Ireland.
In details: I created a redirect to the existing countrydata template for Northern Ireland. (Actually two redirects, "Northern Irish" and "Irish (Northern)" to allow some choice). Creating such a redirect is needed in order to create/enable an alias in the parameters of the {{ Flag}} templates. For instance we have the basic:
But thanks to the alias/redirect at Template:Country data British we also have:
{{Flag|British}}
So, on this model, I created/enabled an alias for "Irish", which can only redirect to the flag template for Republic of Ireland:
{{Flag|Irish}}
However, the badly-named countrydata project is actually a flagdata project for all manner of *flags*, including "countrydata" templates such as:
So for them I similarly created aliases "English", "Welsh", "Scottish", plus "Northern Irish" and "Irish (Northern)".
Now the tricky part, and one reason I was working on this, is that people just keep on deleting "British" in infoboxes and such, and replace it with "English" or "Welsh" and such -- even though you're right they're not nationalities in the way the rest of the world understand this word. Having to constantly revert/edit "nationality" fields from "English" to "British" is a waste of time, so I'm thinking of trying to deter the problem with a dual thing such as:
Hence the clumsy aliases/redirects for the Northern Ireland flag: we can't use "Irish" and the Republic of Ireland flag for the case of British citizens from Northern Ireland. You can also see the essay at WP:FLAGCRUFT on that hot topic.
— Komusou talk @ 14:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
{{Flag|British}}
{{Flag|Irish}}
name=
param without needing any alias. —
Komusou
talk @
15:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)nationality=
field of various infoboxes, especially the biographical infoboxes. I have summarized an illustrated case study about the P. G. Wodehouse article, you can see it
at the talk page for the FLAGCRUFT essay —
Komusou
talk @
21:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)name=
is needed. It would even be more useful for many readers, who may know a country name (Netherlands) better than its demonym (Dutch).
(Details at FLAGCRUFT-Talk...) —
Komusou
talk @
10:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)name=
param, so my creating the aliases is harmless in itself with that respect. As for Gerry Adams, I guess that if the nationality=
field of his infobox was enabled, he would still benefit from the shortcut {{Flag|Irish}} instead of having to type {{Flag|Ireland|name=Irish}} in order to get {{Flag|Irish}}. If the editors of
Gerry Adams prefer to disable this field on such a hot article that's understandable, but for most articles there is no such restriction and the aliases would be handy; as for the specific alias for "Northern Irish", it'll be like it is today: on articles where editors got a consensus for displaying a text such as "Nationality: British (Northern Irish)" then they'll have the possibility of chosing by consensus one variant among such, including using the generic alias:nationality=
field, then they won't have any flag to add anyway. As I see it, the aliases don't create additional trouble, because the root problem is about which text labels to use or not.name=
param. If there are edit wars, they'll be about the text labels to put anyway, even if flags were banned. The flags are just on top of whatever "Nationality" has been decided by the editors, and the "Northern Irish" alias is just completing the series for that.{{flag|English}}
, {{flag|Welsh}}
, {{flag|Scottish}}
, or {{flag|Northern Irish}}
as they aren't official designations of citizenship. Of course, that could be a function of me being from the US. --
Bobblehead
(rants)
21:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)I would like to change the alt attribute
of this template. In most browsers, when you mouse-over the image, you will see "Flag of Northern Ireland", and I think it is preferable to see "Ulster Banner" instead. I'm also expecting that someday the image file itself will be changed (e.g. to
Image:Ulster Banner.svg on Commons), but that is a different issue. If I change the alt attribute now, it would also read "Ulster Banner" with the union
and assembly
flag variants, which is clearly incorrect. Therefore, I would like to propose the removal of those two flag variants. After the big debate a few months ago that led to their inclusion, I note that the union
variant appears to be completely unused, and the assembly
variant is only used in two places (one template, one article). Comments requested before I do anything.
Andrwsc (
talk)
21:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
How about the Assembly fag to be added to the template as an option? It could be used when the term Northern Ireland is used in lists that require a flag (eg List of national anthems).
It strikes me that since the choice of passports, the Union Jack fits best as a full-on "national" flag (and I've always seen Northern Ireland is a created British country, though it's more complex than that I know). I am just about to try using the 'union' parameter, since someone has removed the current NI flag from the national anthem list (ie. the automatic 'Ulster banner' on the template - which sounds like an unhappy compromise, reading the above). It will show the Union Jack, but I don't hold a lot of hope in it sticking.
If the Assembly flag would stop people from removing the flag in these type of lists, why not have the option to use it? It is clearly designed to be a striking symbol - perhaps with this use in mind? I don't think the Welsh Assembly even has a flag (there is some kind of 'caligraphy' version of the dragon they use as a symbol). The Scottish Parliament flag is very officious-looking and has it's full title on it. Perhaps using the Assembly flag could cover dual citizenship better too? At the moment the List of national anthems corrupts when someone clicks on the up/down column arrow, as the lack of NI flag (though it's the only flag that is missing) confuses it - not an ideal situation (to state the obvious, I know).-- Matt Lewis ( talk) 00:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
Please see:
To solve the alphabetical sorting problem we must use some variation of
To avoid edit warring I would like a variant that uses a blank placeholder image. A transparent gif or something. So no flag would be seen. Then sorting would work, and no one would be offended.
I used {{editprotected}} in this talk section because I think we need some expert admin help. I don't know how to find or create the suggested variant. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 01:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll add a variant "blank".
— TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The excuse that some sports bodies use it, and I emphasize some, is not a tangable argument for keeping it as the main linked country flag. The Union flag is the only official flag. It is a nonsense to use a flag, defunct for some 35 years, as the primary flag. Mr Parker ( talk) 23:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
{{
fb|NIR}}
etc.), to Commonwealth Games teams, to golfers from Northern Ireland, to the netball team, etc. all use that flag in the present day, and there is consensus for this usage. It would be awkward and inappropriate to burden those instances with having to specify a flag variant label in the template call. Also, there is no way for the flag template system to render no image; the closest is to render a white space or something, but that is misleading because it looks like a white flag. I still maintain that the best course of action is to patrol the pages that link to this template and replace the inappropriate instances with {{
noflag}}
(or outright removal), than it would be to edit ~2500 pages to install a variant label. —
Andrwsc (
talk ·
contribs)
15:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)I would like to request for opinion and up to date consensus with regards to the flag used in {{flagcountry|Northern Ireland}}. The current flag is the
Ulster Banner (
Northern Ireland). It's use is inappropriate to represent Northern Ireland since the Ulster Banner is no longer the official flag of Northern Ireland and for this reason I feel it should be replaced (but not by the absence of any flag or symbol). It was suggested previously that
is used. Opinions please.
Qwerta369 (
talk)
12:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
{{flag|Northern Ireland|blank}}
an option, or perhaps explaining how to use {{
noflag}} in the documentation. While most of the uses I've seen are appropriate, I'm sure there are a lot of inappropriate ones around. —
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18:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
With Ulster being included in related links, should not the other three provinces ( Leinster, Munster, and Connacht) be included? -- The Three Headed Knight ( talk) 05:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Shouden't we add more flag options? According to the Flag of Northern Ireland article the " St Patrick's Saltire is used the by government to represent Northern Ireland when a uniquely Northern Irish flag is required". Maybe also the Flag of Ulster. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 08:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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Making an official request to add the saltire.— Ryulong ( 琉竜) 04:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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Requesting that the flag of the Northern Ireland Assembly and the St Patrick's Saltire, which is sometimes used to represent Northern Ireland in politics, be added to the list of variations. The proposed changes can be seen in full here. This will give people valid alternatives to use, other than no flag, when the Ulster Banner and Union Flag are not suitable to represent Northern Ireland. Clyde1998 ( talk) 14:51, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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I would like to edit this page, because today I noticed that the flag on the template is missing. (Replaced with a null image.) And I can't fix that due to the protection pages. Can I please fix the issue? Thanks, #bodyContent a[title="User:Aaxelpediaa"] { background-color: #0000ff; color: #ff0000; font-weight: bold; ( talk) 09:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
"assembly" currently points to the PNG file File:NI flax V1.png
. An SVG version is now available and this template should be updated accordingly: File:Flag of Northern Ireland Assembly.svg
. Thank you.
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The proposed changes can be seen in full at Template:Country data Northern Ireland/sandbox.
The proposal includes Carter's request of using an SVG file for the Assembly's flag instead of the current PNG.
Furthermore, the proposal uses the blank File:Flag placeholder.svg as the default flag, with the Ulster Banner remaining a variant that can be used in certain contexts. This is appropriate because the Ulster Banner is not the Flag of Northern Ireland. We had a similar situation with Mississippi, which did not have a flag for a while, and we used the placeholder flag back then. It is not appropriate to use the Ulster Banner as the default flag, like the template currently does, because it is not the flag of Northern Ireland. -- Fippe ( talk) 12:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
For the Luddites amongst us (me), please can you explain the proposed change? Giant Snowman 21:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Comparison of alphabetic country codes#Northern Ireland flag. FDW777 ( talk) 13:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
There should be a null or blank flag, since NI has no official flag. The Ulster Banner (current one used) is highly political and not offocial. Eccekevin ( talk) 01:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
This has been much discussed but no consensus has ever been reached. As Northern Ireland has no official flag to represent Northern Ireland specifically, at least not yet, it would seem sensible to me for the "Northern Ireland" flag template to direct to a blank template.
The Ulster Banner (which is currently linked when the Northern Ireland flag template is used) has been agreed to be used only pertaining to sports organisations that use it and in a historical context. As such it should be a variant ("banner", perhaps), but linking it as the flag for Northern Ireland is currently not suitable in my opinion. Bbx118 ( talk) 19:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)