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I've done a lit review for Plan Colombia and no where in the documentation is there any indication that the Plan was conceived by Pastrana's administration. In fact, it was only until after the package passed Congress was a Spanish translation made.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.112.181.253 ( talk • contribs)
Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see how that Party, which was a fleeting (and failed, because now that the Congressional elections are over it doesn't exist) vehicle for Antanas Mockus could be considered an important party in the context of the Colombian conflict. Mockus might try to re-launch it at some point in the future, but right now it only exists in his head. Juancarlos2004 21:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I will do a link to Colombia Soy Yo (the movement of 4-F) in the government links, can someone please make an article for the movement or for the march or for something related to it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.28.13.61 ( talk) 23:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Should the EPL be moved into "Former groups?" It pretty much no longer exists as a guerrilla army. -- Descendall 05:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
We should incluide governments of Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia and Nicaragua as allies to guerrillas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.28.13.61 ( talk) 00:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I think this template is missing the EU-Colombia relations. they have mediated through out the process and has also intervened directly, as the case of France with Ingrid Betancourt and Germany with the spy Werner Mousse. I dont know if the irish can also be part of this. Spain has given military aid to colombia, and the EU in general. -- F3rn4nd0 01:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi User:F3rn4nd0, I agree this template is really big. You deleted several section with the explanation: merging into new infobox [1] I don't see this new infobox/template yet. Travb ( talk) 07:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Colombian Armed forces: |
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Military of Colombia |
Guerrillas: |
FARC-EP |
ELN |
EPL |
Paramilitaries: |
Black Eagles |
Paramilitarism |
Former groups: |
M19 |
AUC |
AAA |
CONVIVIR |
MOEC |
CGSB |
Historical Events: |
Santa Marta Massacre (1928) |
La Violencia |
Marquetalia Republic |
The National Front |
Dominican embassy (1980) |
Palace of Justice (1985) |
Patriotic Union Party (UP) |
Mapiripán Massacre (1997) |
FARC-Government peace process (1999-2002) |
Bojayá massacre (2002) |
Parapolitica scandal |
Great job with the template travb.. I just think it needs some fixes.. the paramilitaries need their own column.. and then below these put the former groups.. similar to this:
Guerrillas | Military of Colombia | Paramilitaries |
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FARC Former groups: |
Colombian army | Aguilas negras Former groups: |
-- F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 12:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I added this article to: Portal:Colombia/New article announcements hopefully this portal will get as popular as other country portals. Travb ( talk) 06:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I think you guys have done some great work here, but guess I should try to explain some edits I've made. Needless to say, I'm willing to discuss them further if necessary.
-The CONVIVIR groups were not a government agency but a program.
-Changed Colombia-U.S. relations to Colombia-U.S. military relations, due to naming and content.
-The term "supported by" used in all three columns is a bit debatable. Is the relationship between, say, the drug cartels and each of the three "parties" characterized exclusively as "support"? I think we shouldn't be making that call here, so a more generic term is preferrable in my view.
-The Spearhead link should point to Yair Klein.
This is all just what I think. Juancarlos2004 16:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I also think that the role of the political parties is key.. and should be connected to this template.. I just don't know how to make it look clearer.. specially the role of the Communist party. -- F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 16:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
In case anyone missed it on the main page:
Use {{Colombia conflict|state=collapsed}} or {{Colombia conflict|state=uncollapsed}} to instantiate the template in, respectively, its collapsed (hidden) or uncollapsed (expanded) state. Use {{Colombia conflict|state=autocollapse}} to collapse the template only if there is another template of the same type on the page.
Travb ( talk) 22:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
ACCU was a group that evolved into the AUC. ACCU was not the only group in the AUC. There was the BCB or Bananero Bloc, Élmer Cardenas Bloc which were also powerful. All these were blocs of the AUC. None of these are reportedly active anymore. All of these demobilized as AUC.
CGSB was the guerrilla version of the AUC, a guerrilla federation. it disappeared. In turn former members, which are still active are the FARC, EPL and the ELN. The Southern Bloc of the FARC-EP was initially the first FARC contingent. Should we add it to the template? don't think so.
Eventually there will be a template for the AUC in which you can see the many blocs of the AUC, such as the ACCU.
-- Zer0~Gravity (Roger - Out) 04:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Movimiento Armado Quintín Lame should be added to the former guerrillas. I think they were actually part of the CGSB for a while. -- Visitweak ( talk) 07:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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I've done a lit review for Plan Colombia and no where in the documentation is there any indication that the Plan was conceived by Pastrana's administration. In fact, it was only until after the package passed Congress was a Spanish translation made.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.112.181.253 ( talk • contribs)
Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see how that Party, which was a fleeting (and failed, because now that the Congressional elections are over it doesn't exist) vehicle for Antanas Mockus could be considered an important party in the context of the Colombian conflict. Mockus might try to re-launch it at some point in the future, but right now it only exists in his head. Juancarlos2004 21:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I will do a link to Colombia Soy Yo (the movement of 4-F) in the government links, can someone please make an article for the movement or for the march or for something related to it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.28.13.61 ( talk) 23:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Should the EPL be moved into "Former groups?" It pretty much no longer exists as a guerrilla army. -- Descendall 05:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
We should incluide governments of Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia and Nicaragua as allies to guerrillas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.28.13.61 ( talk) 00:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I think this template is missing the EU-Colombia relations. they have mediated through out the process and has also intervened directly, as the case of France with Ingrid Betancourt and Germany with the spy Werner Mousse. I dont know if the irish can also be part of this. Spain has given military aid to colombia, and the EU in general. -- F3rn4nd0 01:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi User:F3rn4nd0, I agree this template is really big. You deleted several section with the explanation: merging into new infobox [1] I don't see this new infobox/template yet. Travb ( talk) 07:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Colombian Armed forces: |
---|
Military of Colombia |
Guerrillas: |
FARC-EP |
ELN |
EPL |
Paramilitaries: |
Black Eagles |
Paramilitarism |
Former groups: |
M19 |
AUC |
AAA |
CONVIVIR |
MOEC |
CGSB |
Historical Events: |
Santa Marta Massacre (1928) |
La Violencia |
Marquetalia Republic |
The National Front |
Dominican embassy (1980) |
Palace of Justice (1985) |
Patriotic Union Party (UP) |
Mapiripán Massacre (1997) |
FARC-Government peace process (1999-2002) |
Bojayá massacre (2002) |
Parapolitica scandal |
Great job with the template travb.. I just think it needs some fixes.. the paramilitaries need their own column.. and then below these put the former groups.. similar to this:
Guerrillas | Military of Colombia | Paramilitaries |
---|---|---|
FARC Former groups: |
Colombian army | Aguilas negras Former groups: |
-- F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 12:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I added this article to: Portal:Colombia/New article announcements hopefully this portal will get as popular as other country portals. Travb ( talk) 06:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I think you guys have done some great work here, but guess I should try to explain some edits I've made. Needless to say, I'm willing to discuss them further if necessary.
-The CONVIVIR groups were not a government agency but a program.
-Changed Colombia-U.S. relations to Colombia-U.S. military relations, due to naming and content.
-The term "supported by" used in all three columns is a bit debatable. Is the relationship between, say, the drug cartels and each of the three "parties" characterized exclusively as "support"? I think we shouldn't be making that call here, so a more generic term is preferrable in my view.
-The Spearhead link should point to Yair Klein.
This is all just what I think. Juancarlos2004 16:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I also think that the role of the political parties is key.. and should be connected to this template.. I just don't know how to make it look clearer.. specially the role of the Communist party. -- F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 16:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
In case anyone missed it on the main page:
Use {{Colombia conflict|state=collapsed}} or {{Colombia conflict|state=uncollapsed}} to instantiate the template in, respectively, its collapsed (hidden) or uncollapsed (expanded) state. Use {{Colombia conflict|state=autocollapse}} to collapse the template only if there is another template of the same type on the page.
Travb ( talk) 22:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
ACCU was a group that evolved into the AUC. ACCU was not the only group in the AUC. There was the BCB or Bananero Bloc, Élmer Cardenas Bloc which were also powerful. All these were blocs of the AUC. None of these are reportedly active anymore. All of these demobilized as AUC.
CGSB was the guerrilla version of the AUC, a guerrilla federation. it disappeared. In turn former members, which are still active are the FARC, EPL and the ELN. The Southern Bloc of the FARC-EP was initially the first FARC contingent. Should we add it to the template? don't think so.
Eventually there will be a template for the AUC in which you can see the many blocs of the AUC, such as the ACCU.
-- Zer0~Gravity (Roger - Out) 04:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Movimiento Armado Quintín Lame should be added to the former guerrillas. I think they were actually part of the CGSB for a while. -- Visitweak ( talk) 07:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)