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Problem with this template. I like that it now collapses and gives you the option to "show" or "hide" but in the "show" option it wipes out the bottom portion of the page. The same thing happens with the Indians franchise box. Is this a problem with the browser or the box or just me? Thanks. 69.68.238.142 18:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Please leave Mike Hargrove as part of key personnel.
The Tribe is making a big deal out of bringing Hargrove on board, thus it's justifiable to include him on the list.
Thank you.
Vjmlhds 03:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Key personnel equates to those who have high ranking positions and are high profile personalities in the front office. Hargrove is a high profile figure with a long history with the club. Joe Blow office assistant isn't the same as a Cleveland baseball legend. This isn't a slipeery slope. Hargrove's addition to the list does have merit.
Vjmlhds 03:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Chapman's death should be included in the culture and lore section.
There's the historic nature of being the only player to die in a game, and the effect on the team is also very important...it opened the door for Joe Sewell to come in, and he went on to have a Hall of Fame career.
Vjmlhds 02:20, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The Indians, who at the time were locked in a tight three-way pennant race with the Yankees and White Sox,[19] were not slowed down by the death of their teammate. Rookie Joe Sewell hit .329 after replacing Chapman in the lineup
No. 455 was never used by a Cleveland Indians team member, and the team website via mlb.com also does not recognize No. 455 as an officially retired number. Listing a PR move on the part of owner Larry Dolan — who, ironically, had little to do with the sellout streak in the 1990s under Richard Jacob's ownership — only diminishes the "retired numbers" section which is actually intended to highlight legendary players like Bob Feller and Larry Doby. Levdr1lp ( talk) 21:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
@ Vjmlhds: I can verify that charlesaaronthompson's color codes are accurate. I found an alternate source (from the team's own MLB.com sub-site) for the official red & navy team colors and compared it to hex codes #002B5C & #E31937. They match. Levdr1lp / talk 01:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Not seeing the question here.
Frank Robinson was a major part of Indians (and MLB) history, when he became the first black MLB manager while with the Tribe.
Robinson is as big a part of the culture and lore of the team as anybody because of the historic nature of his managerial stint.
Vjmlhds (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Fair is fair – a third voice chimed in, and agreed with Levdr. Robinson is out, and the issue dropped. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
It is my opinion (supported by sources) that the Cleveland Indians' history dates back to 1901. My sources are MLB.com (seen here, here and here), and Baseball-Reference.com (seen here). Both MLB.com and Baseball-Reference.com state that the Indians' history is as follows:
There is no evidence to suggest that the Indians were ever at one point in history known as the Grand Rapids Rustlers [a team that may or may not have been a member of the Western League (WL)]. Also, the WL [the forerunner of today's American League (AL)] was a minor league when it was in operation (this has been confirmed by Major League Baseball (MLB)'s official historian, John Thorn, an article discussing the topic is seen at Thorn's blog, OurGame.MLBlogs.com: [1]). My goal in writing this message is to reach consensus with other editors on this topic, and to re-write the article that reflects that consensus. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 04:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The common, long-standing convention for listing rivalries in team navboxes is to pipe the rival team's name in a link to the rivalry article, regardless of the rivalry article's title/name. Please review Category:Major League Baseball rivalries- you will see that all MLB rivalry articles, regardless of title/name, are listed in team-specific templates in this manner ( Subway Series is an exception as it has historically applied to more than one rivalry). Levdr1lp / talk 17:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I've added Trevor Bauer's bloody finger to the culture and lore section because it was an iconic moment of the Indians' playoff run. The Indians themselves have put his blood soaked jersey on display at Progressive Field, so it shows that the team itself considers it a part of their lore. Should be no issues here. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:58, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I have changed my position regarding Frank Robinson's inclusion in the "Culture and lore" section (see previous discussion here). The team's on-field performance during his tenure as manager is more or less irrelevant w/ respect to the historic importance of his hiring (i.e., the first African American manager in Major League Baseball). Adding wikilink accordingly. Levdr1lp / talk 21:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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Problem with this template. I like that it now collapses and gives you the option to "show" or "hide" but in the "show" option it wipes out the bottom portion of the page. The same thing happens with the Indians franchise box. Is this a problem with the browser or the box or just me? Thanks. 69.68.238.142 18:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Please leave Mike Hargrove as part of key personnel.
The Tribe is making a big deal out of bringing Hargrove on board, thus it's justifiable to include him on the list.
Thank you.
Vjmlhds 03:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Key personnel equates to those who have high ranking positions and are high profile personalities in the front office. Hargrove is a high profile figure with a long history with the club. Joe Blow office assistant isn't the same as a Cleveland baseball legend. This isn't a slipeery slope. Hargrove's addition to the list does have merit.
Vjmlhds 03:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Chapman's death should be included in the culture and lore section.
There's the historic nature of being the only player to die in a game, and the effect on the team is also very important...it opened the door for Joe Sewell to come in, and he went on to have a Hall of Fame career.
Vjmlhds 02:20, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The Indians, who at the time were locked in a tight three-way pennant race with the Yankees and White Sox,[19] were not slowed down by the death of their teammate. Rookie Joe Sewell hit .329 after replacing Chapman in the lineup
No. 455 was never used by a Cleveland Indians team member, and the team website via mlb.com also does not recognize No. 455 as an officially retired number. Listing a PR move on the part of owner Larry Dolan — who, ironically, had little to do with the sellout streak in the 1990s under Richard Jacob's ownership — only diminishes the "retired numbers" section which is actually intended to highlight legendary players like Bob Feller and Larry Doby. Levdr1lp ( talk) 21:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
@ Vjmlhds: I can verify that charlesaaronthompson's color codes are accurate. I found an alternate source (from the team's own MLB.com sub-site) for the official red & navy team colors and compared it to hex codes #002B5C & #E31937. They match. Levdr1lp / talk 01:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Not seeing the question here.
Frank Robinson was a major part of Indians (and MLB) history, when he became the first black MLB manager while with the Tribe.
Robinson is as big a part of the culture and lore of the team as anybody because of the historic nature of his managerial stint.
Vjmlhds (talk) 04:30, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Fair is fair – a third voice chimed in, and agreed with Levdr. Robinson is out, and the issue dropped. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
It is my opinion (supported by sources) that the Cleveland Indians' history dates back to 1901. My sources are MLB.com (seen here, here and here), and Baseball-Reference.com (seen here). Both MLB.com and Baseball-Reference.com state that the Indians' history is as follows:
There is no evidence to suggest that the Indians were ever at one point in history known as the Grand Rapids Rustlers [a team that may or may not have been a member of the Western League (WL)]. Also, the WL [the forerunner of today's American League (AL)] was a minor league when it was in operation (this has been confirmed by Major League Baseball (MLB)'s official historian, John Thorn, an article discussing the topic is seen at Thorn's blog, OurGame.MLBlogs.com: [1]). My goal in writing this message is to reach consensus with other editors on this topic, and to re-write the article that reflects that consensus. Charlesaaronthompson ( talk) 04:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
The common, long-standing convention for listing rivalries in team navboxes is to pipe the rival team's name in a link to the rivalry article, regardless of the rivalry article's title/name. Please review Category:Major League Baseball rivalries- you will see that all MLB rivalry articles, regardless of title/name, are listed in team-specific templates in this manner ( Subway Series is an exception as it has historically applied to more than one rivalry). Levdr1lp / talk 17:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I've added Trevor Bauer's bloody finger to the culture and lore section because it was an iconic moment of the Indians' playoff run. The Indians themselves have put his blood soaked jersey on display at Progressive Field, so it shows that the team itself considers it a part of their lore. Should be no issues here. Vjmlhds (talk) 19:58, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
I have changed my position regarding Frank Robinson's inclusion in the "Culture and lore" section (see previous discussion here). The team's on-field performance during his tenure as manager is more or less irrelevant w/ respect to the historic importance of his hiring (i.e., the first African American manager in Major League Baseball). Adding wikilink accordingly. Levdr1lp / talk 21:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)