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A general rule with acronyms is that you should define them somewhere. This page should say somewhere what DOI stands for. I'm guessing it's "date of" something, but it would help to know for sure. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 08:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, it should also say what PMID stands for. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 08:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I found out. And I added links to the definitions for the Cite DOI and Cite PMID template pages. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 21:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
The "edit" button may be undesirable, therefore I am proposing on adding the new parameter "noedit" to the added the template. The code is available in the following patch:
<includeonly>{{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{#ifexist:Template:Cite doi/{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}|{{Cite doi|{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|noedit||<span class=plainlinksneverexpand style=font-size:smaller> [http://en.wikipedia.org{{localurl:Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}|action=edit&editintro=Template:Cite_doi/editintro2}} edit]</span>}}|{{doi|{{{1}}}}}<br /><span class="plainlinksneverexpand">This citation will be automatically completed in the next few minutes. <small>You can [http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Bot/DOI_bot/doibot.php?doi={{urlencode:{{{1}}}}} jump the queue] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/?preload=Template:Cite_doi/preload&editintro=Template:Cite_doi/editintro&action=edit&title=Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}} expand by hand]</small></span>[[Category:Pages with incomplete DOI references|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}|<span class=error>Error: No DOI specified!</span>}}</includeonly><noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>
Demonstration of its functionality.
Thanks. ChyranandChloe ( talk) 05:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
This new way of creating citations is very welcome. The lack of an edit friendly means of inserting citations is having a negative impact on the potential quality of science articles. Those that in their daily work write papers use Endnote etc and do not expect text cluttered with code. It is hassle to much and I suspect stops both the editing of articles and the creation of new ones.
However, it needs the noedit option as a default as it otherwise creates what looks very much like a "please vandalize me" button. Also for scientific journals the inclusion of any date information other than the year is redundant. It would also seem also inappropriate to include an issn link to the journal and including a statement of "(Free full text)"--this is implied by blue clickable text of the title. On articles with 100+ references the extra letters involves takes space and hinders the ease of locating references in the reference list.
I also note the initials of authors are only capitalized the first letter.-- LittleHow ( talk) 10:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
This is an important wikipedia project since it will remove an important barrier that stops contributions from people with something to contribute but not enough time to learn the complexities of citation. It would be good if one can add the stop edit button appearing. What is the progress on this? Best wishes-- LittleHow ( talk) 07:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a great tool; however, could you please add a link to the PubMed record using the PMID? Currently, the tool is only making a link with the doi. - Thanks - Badgettrg ( talk) 15:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that you standardize the name attribute of the ref tag using the pmid or doi. For example, the article with PMID 123456 would have the name pmid123456 giving:
The rationale is that with long articles, two editors may cite the same article twice at different times. If the name attribute is not standardized, the article will show in the bibliography twice. Thanks - Badgettrg ( talk) 15:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
With the actual citation on an unwatched page, this makes it easy for vandalism to go unnoticed. Discussed before, it there an anti-vandal bot? Or how do we respond or prevent vandalism? ChyranandChloe ( talk) 03:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
This is probably the nicest citation technique I've ever seen (in any text editing environment, not just Wikipedia). Great work! Vesal ( talk) 17:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I noticed recently that automatically expanding citations no longer works. I'm not sure if this is a Citation Bot bug, or a bug in my browser, but this seems like the best place to ask. Every time I click on "automatically expand", it goes to the auto update page and apparently tries to expand the citation, but aborts quickly with some non-descriptive error (something about blank pages) and does not create the template page. This used to work in the past; any ideas what might be wrong?— Tetracube ( talk) 19:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm a bit clueless. I'm trying to use {{ cite google book}} and not getting anywhere, is this the place to ask? -- Muhandes ( talk) 19:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Somehow this is not working:
{{Cite journal| last1 = Schievink | first1 = W.| last2 = Maya | first2 = M.| last3 = Louy | first3 = C.| title = Cranial MRI predicts outcome of spontaneous intracranial hypotension| journal = Neurology| volume = 64| issue = 7| pages = 1282–1284| year = 2005| pmid = 15824366| doi = 10.1212/01.WNL.0000156906.84165.C0}}
Schievink, W.; Maya, M.; Louy, C. (2005). "Cranial MRI predicts outcome of spontaneous intracranial hypotension". Neurology. 64 (7): 1282–1284.
doi:
10.1212/01.WNL.0000156906.84165.C0.
PMID
15824366.
S2CID
1048081.
This is a correct number, check: http://diberri.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi?ddb=&type=pubmed_id&id=15824366&dont_use_etal=1
Others are working fine. N6n ( talk) 07:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
|ref=
Is it possible to implement |ref=harv
? ----
CharlesGillingham (
talk)
22:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
|ref=
operates exactly like it does in {{
cite journal}}: if |ref=
is not set, then {{
cite doi}} creates no anchor.) ----
CharlesGillingham (
talk)
16:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
|ref=harv
. I don't think there would be any disadvantage to this. If you want to use a different parameter for |ref=
you have to set it by hand anyway, and all it does is
change the name of the html anchor. (Not that I'm a programmer...) —
Mr. Stradivarius (
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23:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
|ref={{{ref|harv}}}
to every new cite doi (and possibly to all old ones too), and program this template so that {{cite doi|Example|ref=none}}
will remove the anchor (not difficult).
Ucucha
10:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
|ref=
consistent with {{
cite journal}}
, thus adding |ref={{{ref|}}}
to newly generated citations and passing the parameter: the user will say {{cite doi|Example}}
for non-Harvard refs, {{cite doi|Example|ref=harv}}
for default Harvard refs and {{cite doi|Example|ref=whatever}}
for an article-specific ref. The documentation should be updated to say what is needed if ref=harv is used with an older generated template, unless the bot could be clever enough to add the new parameter to older citations when necessary.I used Cite doi for the first time to add a bunch of references to Red#In nature (the paragraph beginning "Red is associated dominance in a number of animal species...") but all of them have been reported as broken. Now, more than likely I screwed something up – but I was wondering because the external doi: links are actually all functioning, and looking at Citation bot 2's recent contributions there are far more broken edits than successful ones. — Joseph Roe Tk• Cb, 13:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
The PMC url should be changed from
http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=XXXXX
to
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMCXXXXX/
where XXXXX is the PMC ID
Whywhenwhohow ( talk) 07:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
In the Ernst Mayr article, I noticed this reference:
where I (at least) see a 'black question mark' before the "O" of "Vuilleumier, F. O." Possibly an issue of an accented capital letter needing escaping, although if you look at the original, actually the first author doesn't have an initial. Peter coxhead ( talk) 08:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I've never used the template in earnest, but I note that (on my browser/platform anyway) there are other problems with non-ASCII characters, e.g. in
the first author's name should be "Källersjö" and isn't for me. Peter coxhead ( talk) 08:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
They all seem to say "This citation will be automatically completed in the next few minutes. etc" right now. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 05:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
LeadSongDog come howl! 05:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
.2F
, but now returns one of:/ %2F %2F
The DOI "10.1002/(SICI)1098-2345(1997)43:2<159::AID-AJP5>3.0.CO;2-W" managed to generate some interesting behavior from the bot that automatically creates these citation templates. Apparently it sat in the queue for days, and if you selected the option to "jump the queue", it directed you to Template:Cite doi/10.1002.2F.28SICI.291098-2345.281997.2943:2.3C159::AID-AJP5.3E3.0.CO.3B2-W, which was already created. If you selected the option to manually create it, it sent you to Template:Cite doi/10.1002.2F.28SICI.291098-2345.281997.2943:23.0.CO.3B2-W, which did not exist. I initially fixed the first one, but this did not make the citation appear in the article ( Sunda Slow Loris), so I then created the second one, which fixed the problem. I'm not sure what happened here. – VisionHolder « talk » 20:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
edit thingie? why there and how to get rid of? TCO ( talk)
Cause it is showing up in the article and none of the other refs have it. And it looks like crap hanging out there in the citation. :( TCO ( talk) 10:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Do I have to go back and recreate it all from scratch? TCO ( talk) 10:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I figured it out. Tantrum over. TCO ( talk) 10:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
.citedoi-editlink { display: none; }
.citedoi-editlink { text-decoration: blink; font-size: 500% }
I've spent 20 minutes trying to add an authorlink. The documentation here doesn't help. I found this within this template at Euler–Maclaurin formula:
I changed it to this:
That seems to be what the documentation says I should do in such cases.
It didn't work. This shouldn't be a big puzzle; it should take a few seconds. Michael Hardy ( talk) 23:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
For some reason, when I used {{cite doi | 10.1007/s00265-002-0552-5}}
, the bot couldn't create the template. Instead, I used the jstor ID (4602191) with {{
cite jstor}}, and the bot created
Template:Cite doi/10.2307.2F4602191 instead. Anyway, I've populated the template and put it to use, but the fact that the DOI in the template name doesn't match the actual DOI bothers me a little. What's going on here? –
VisionHolder «
talk »
21:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Is there a way that this template (as well as {{
cite jstor}} and others) could allow an option to append a letter to the year parameter through a passed variable, rather than editing the template version? For example, if you have two DOIs in the same article that have the same authors and are published the same year (but different titles, etc.) then technically we should list the years as (for example) 2003a and 2003b. This is particularly important if we use {{
Sfn}}. Another option is to allow us to pass an alternative year, such as an "altyear" parameter. That way we can use both {{cite doi | ... | altyear = 2003a}}
and {{cite doi | ... | altyear = 2003b}}
. –
VisionHolder «
talk »
22:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone add the noedit
option to the {{
cite pmid}} template, thanks. Template programming is unfortunately not one of my abilities -
Meewam (
talk)
06:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
It is not usual practice, when citing, to list every single author. It's usual to stop at three, and then say "et. al.", is it not? How can we encourage either the bot, or template editors NOT to name every single author?
If that's not possible, can we add a Cite doi parameter called numauth= which restricts to the first n authors, and adds "et. al."? I'm specifically referring to abominations such as
That's just silly - this template should not be used to wallpaper theentire front page of the journal article. -- Lexein ( talk) 04:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
|first#=
and |last#=
parameters are used, which will set the maximum number of authors listed to 9. So feel free to edit that template.
Martin (
Smith609 –
Talk)
01:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
{{cite doi|10.1002/1521-3773(20020802)41:15<2725::AID-ANIE2725>3.0.CO;2-G}} doesn't appear to be researching correctly. All it grabs is the title without anything else. And entering that doi at crossref.org definitely goes to a place containing more information than that. I presume that this has to do with a symbol, just not sure if it is the paren, the angle bracket/less than or the semi colon. Any ideas? Naraht ( talk) 15:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The bot has just generated the template for DOI 10.1111.2Fj.1469-7610.1960.tb01979.x , and the title has a "?" in place of "–" (hex e2 80 93, UTF-8 EN DASH). -- Mirokado ( talk) 03:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
There is also a problem with "\" instead of "[" in the citation for Akiskal, H. S.; Benazzi, F. (2006). "The DSM-IV and ICD-10 categories of recurrent [major] depressive and bipolar II disorders: Evidence that they lie on a dimensional spectrum". Journal of Affective Disorders. 92 (1): 45–54. doi: 10.1016/j.jad.2005.12.035. PMID 16488021. -- Mirokado ( talk) 00:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Is it possible to create an alternate version (or at least add a parameter) that enables names to be rendered first names/initials first? e.g. John Doe (1986) instead of Doe, John (1986)? -- OBSIDIAN† SOUL 17:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
|author=John Doe
instead of |last=Doe
|first=John
.
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If an admin could put {{ cite doi/sandbox}} into {{ cite doi}}, that would be peachy. What it does is check if the DOI starts with '10.Foobar'. If not, it throws an error message and populates Category:Pages with DOI errors. It's tested and everything. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 18:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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Is it possible to create a template that uses the isbn number instead of the doi to automatically retrieve biblio metadata? -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 23:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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Is the template set up to default to not having the edit link? If not can this please be done? There is a previous discussion further up this page. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 21:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I would like to see this template default to not having the edit link after the doi rather than default to being present as currently implemented. As previously discussed it is unnecessary clutter, it is a function that is rarely needed, and it yet another target for vandals. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 00:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
citation/core}}
templates got such an [edit] link, what would be the target of that link? For a DOI it's simple, because each different DOI is held in its own template, so the edit link is targetted to edit that one template. For example, I could put this into an article: {{
cite doi|10.1038/nature02043}}
- which produces
{{
cite journal}}
. But the ordinary uses of {{
cite journal}}
are in articles, where they may be listed with several other such templates in a dedicated section; or they may be enclosed in <ref>...</ref>
tags. What should that edit link actually edit? Unlike a DOI, there is no special subtemplate, so the link has to be one which will target the whole article section, which may well contain other material irrelevant to the citation which needs editing. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
14:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC){{
cite doi}}
was a good idea and I wanted it used for
ISBN as well, but I have now gone off the idea completely. One thing that put me off is that
COinS biblio metadata is not able to pulled out of the article. As with SMcCandlish I am also concerned about the quality of WP refs and I am looking into getting a bot to help with sorting them out. See
Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 46#Checking_WP_ref_fields_with_external_databases. --
Alan Liefting (
talk -
contribs)
23:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)In trying to clean up Category:Pages with DOI errors, I ran into something odd at Ch (computer programming), two of the entries had DOIs that didn't start with "10." but it appears that the documents they reference to do indeed say that they have non "10." "doi"s. See http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-WOLF200905018.htm , that paper says :
【DOI】: CNKI:SUN:WOLF.0.2009-05-018
and http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-JYJS200907016.htm , that paper says
【DOI】: CNKI:SUN:JYJS.0.2009-07-016
Any ideas? Naraht ( talk) 21:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
|doi=
. We could develop a CNKI template and/or parameter. Converting the CNKI doi to a URL would be a bit nasty. If you want this automated like {{
cite doi}}, then citation bot would need to be updated. There are currently 127 CNKI links
[3]. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
02:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
|cnki=
. As for the non 10.xxxx/<foobar> dois, that seems to be on account of certain DOI that starts with 100.xxxx/<foobar>. Error checking should be updated to handle those.
Headbomb {
talk /
contribs /
physics /
books}
15:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
|CNKI=
to {{
citation/identifier}}|CNKI=
to {{
citation/core}}|CNKI=
to each
Citation Style 1 template and to {{
citation}}OK, fixed the template (pieces 1 & 3 don't go in the URL). The next step will be to figure out if there is enough information in the URLs for a bot to "scrape" what is needed into a sub page like for doi. Note we may also need to consider cnki vs cnki-zh templates. http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-JYJS200907016.htm and http://www.cnki.com.cn/Article/CJFDTOTAL-JYJS200907016.htm have the same cnki number and there appear to be articles which have zh versions but not en versions. Naraht ( talk) 16:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
DOI bot does not appear to be working today:
http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Bot/DOI_bot/doibot.php
Anyone able to check? kashmiri ( talk) 20:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
... for the time being... -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 01:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Per Help talk:Citation Style 1#Centralized talk page, I have centralized the Citation Style 1 talk pages. There was discussion about centralizing the bot-filled template here, so I put these pages on hold.
I am open to centralizing either here or to Help talk:Citation Style 1. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Done ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
12:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Request withdrawn Objection by Headbomb. All centralized talk pages reverted. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
02:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
While this template is interesting and potentially space-saving, it does seem like an invitation for subtle vandalism. Who is going to put every template on their watch list? Regards, RJH ( talk) 16:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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There are two minor errors in the template's output. First, the wikilinked "doi" should be "DOI", and second, "et al" should be "et al." since "al" is an abbreviation of "alii". Example of both:
{{
Edit protected}}
It would be useful if this template could locally override the 'display-authors' parameter of the transcluded cite journal template generated by bot. That would allow for consistent author lists within an article. Perhaps this could be done by passing the 'display-authors' setting as an override variable (e.g. override-display-authors=) to the transcluded template? Thank you. Regards,
RJH (
talk)
02:58, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
{{
Cite doi}}
...and even then, it may require more extensive of functionality of
parser functions than we currently have. Even if I'm misunderstanding, and even if it's otherwise possible to do, I have to mark this as |{{Cite doi|{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}<!--
|{{Cite doi|{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}|display-authors={{{display-authors|}}}}}<!--
|lastn=
|firstn=
parameter pairs (or in separate |authorn=
parameters where the last/first approach is inappropriate, such as some non-English names); (ii) add one line inside the {{
cite journal}}
of that template:
|display-authors={{{display-authors|}}}
{{
cite doi}}
so that it specifies |display-authors=3
or whatever figure is desired. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
19:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8 is a valid DOI, and points to
doi:
10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8.
But{{cite journal | doi = 10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8 | first1 = Dieter | last1 = Hauschke | first2 = Meinhard | last2 = Kieser | first3 = Edgar | last3 = Diletti | first4 = Martin | last4 = Burke | year = 1999 | title = Sample size determination for proving equivalence based on the ratio of two means for normally distributed data | journal = Statistics in Medicine | volume = 18 | issue = 1 | pages = 93–105 | pmid=9990695}}
generates
Template:Cite doi/10.1002.2F.28SICI.291097-0258.2819990115.2918:1.3C93::AID-SIM992.3E3.0.CO.3B2-8, with the invalid characters replaced with hex codes.
Is there any way to point the call to {{cite doi}}
to the template without (a) knowing which characters are invalid in titles and (b) knowing the hex code for those characters?
Thanks in advance--
Illia Connell (
talk)
01:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. You're right, I haven't used it yet because although{{cite journal | doi = 10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8 | first1 = Dieter | last1 = Hauschke | first2 = Meinhard | last2 = Kieser | first3 = Edgar | last3 = Diletti | first4 = Martin | last4 = Burke | year = 1999 | title = Sample size determination for proving equivalence based on the ratio of two means for normally distributed data | journal = Statistics in Medicine | volume = 18 | issue = 1 | pages = 93–105 | pmid=9990695}}
generates the template, it doesn't link to the template because the page name of the generated template doesn't match the exact DOI. It just shows this:
Hauschke, Dieter; Kieser, Meinhard; Diletti, Edgar; Burke, Martin (1999). "Sample size determination for proving equivalence based on the ratio of two means for normally distributed data". Statistics in Medicine. 18 (1): 93–105.
doi:
10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8.
PMID
9990695.
It should show the actual citation.
For example, {{Cite journal | last1 = Vassallo | first1 = C. L. | title = Rheumatoid arthritis of the cricoarytenoid joints; cause of upper airway obstruction | doi = 10.1001/archinte.117.2.273 | journal = Archives of Internal Medicine | volume = 117 | issue = 2 | pages = 273–275 | year = 1966 | pmid = 5901562| pmc = }}
shows this:
Vassallo, C. L. (1966). "Rheumatoid arthritis of the cricoarytenoid joints; cause of upper airway obstruction". Archives of Internal Medicine. 117 (2): 273–275.
doi:
10.1001/archinte.117.2.273.
PMID
5901562..
It can do this because the page name
Template:Cite doi/10.1001.2Farchinte.117.2.273 matches the exact DOI.
Thanks for your help
Illia Connell (
talk)
14:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
{{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
the first time, and the bot generates the subpage [[cite doi/DOI_Number]]
. The second call to {{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
simply displays the reference. However, in my actual problem, the DOI contains characters that cannot be used in a wiki page name, so the bot generates something like: [[cite doi/DOIC19Number]]
. Then, subsequent calls to {{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
don't recognize [[cite doi/DOIC19Number]]
because the name is not the actual DOI. My question is how do we get a call to {{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
to "know" that [[cite doi/DOIC19Number]]
is the correct corresponding citation?
This issue has been raised before, but apparently there's a bug that has not been fixed:
Template_talk:Cite_doi/Archive_1#broken and
Template_talk:Cite_doi/Archive_1#Error_in_auto-creation
Illia Connell (
talk)
18:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Would it be possible to automatically add templates that the bot creates at my request to my watchlist? Although as I write this, I doubt that the bot knows who clicked the "jump the queue" link, but it never hurts to ask Illia Connell ( talk) 22:17, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Sometimes (often?) templates are listed for speedy deletion becuase "they are not used anywhere". See, for example, Template:Cite doi/10.1016.2Fj.actaastro.2007.01.052 and Template:Cite doi/10.1007.2Fs11263-006-0002-3. I'd like to suggest replacing Template:Cite doi/subpage with User:Illia Connell/template cite doi subpage doc. -- Illia Connell ( talk) 03:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Template:Cite_doi/editintro2 was emptied by a bot in December 2011. If this was a mistake, then the bot's edit should be reverted and
Template:Cite_doi/editintro2 should be protected to prevent the bot making the same edit later. If the bot's edit was not a mistake, I suggest deleting the now empty
Template:Cite_doi/editintro2, and changing [{{fullurl:Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}|action=edit&editintro=Template:Cite_doi/editintro2}} edit]
to [{{fullurl:Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}|action=edit}} edit]
. --
Illia Connell (
talk)
04:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
{{editprotected}}
In two places, please replace [[Category:Pages with DOI errors]]
with {{main other|[[Category:Pages with DOI errors]]}}
. This will prevent the template adding non-articles to
Category:Pages with DOI errors. Thanks --
Illia Connell (
talk)
04:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
This needs clarification: does this template require abbreviation of surnames? If so, it is a stupid policy (because it decreases informational content, introduces ambiguity in some cases, and generally increases entropy), and will force some editors to systematically avoid using this template's sub-entries. Scanning the Wikipedia Manual of Style, I did not find such an abbreviation requirement anywhere.
I think that section should be omitted entirely, as it is handled by simply setting the first/last parameters of the citation templates. Urhixidur ( talk) 13:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Cite doi
sub-template typically just uses {{
cite journal}} or {{
cite book}} or some such, and none of those templates mandate abbreviation. In fact, the manual of style does not mandate abbreviation. Why introduce this requirement here?first#
family, something like initials#
. The doi
invocation would then use a parameter to pick between one style and the other. But retrofitting this would be a Herculean task.
Urhixidur (
talk)
11:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)first
field would allow abbreviation control from the {{
Cite doi}} invocation:| first = {{#ifeq:{{{abbrev|yes}}}|yes|T. M.|Timothy M.}}
Cite doi
sub-template with an abbrev=no
argument. The only change needed for {{
Cite doi}} would be to have it pass the abbrev
argument through.
Urhixidur (
talk)
11:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Cross-posted from
Talk:Fluorescence/Archives/2015#Citation:
Somehow the citation of {{Cite journal | last1 = Acuña | first1 = A. Ulises | last2 = Amat-Guerri | first2 = Francisco | last3 = Morcillo | first3 = Purificación | last4 = Liras | first4 = Marta | last5 = Rodríguez | first5 = Benjamín | title = Structure and Formation of the Fluorescent Compound of ''Lignum nephriticum'' | doi = 10.1021/ol901022g | journal = Organic Letters | volume = 11 | issue = 14 | pages = 3020–3023 | year = 2009 | pmid = 19586062| url=http://202.127.145.151/siocl/siocl_0001/HHJdatabank/090707ol-6.pdf}}
produces
in which the last author's name appears as "RodríGuez" instead of "Rodríguez".
—DIV (
138.194.12.224 (
talk)
05:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC))
As far as I know, to make {{ cite doi}} style references work with {{ harvnb}} and {{ sfn}} you have to manually edit the template reference to add |ref=harv ( e.g.). Is there anyway to automate this? joe•roe t• c 15:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
|ref=harv
when creating a citation, but that won't add it to current citations. --—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
17:11, 8 December 2012 (UTC)Following on this talk page discussion, I took a look at Category:Pages_with_URL_errors. The first article listed there, Anosy mouse lemur cites one source using this template:
This renders as
{{
cite journal}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help); Unknown parameter |laydate=
ignored (
help); Unknown parameter |laysource=
ignored (
help); Unknown parameter |laysummary=
ignored (
help)with "Check url= scheme" and a garbled link for the clickable title. I thought I would mention that here in case it's a problem here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Hopefully someone understand DOI's better than I do. I noticed several errors regarding a reference on Fringe_science#Contemporary then tried to fix it but the error seems to be in the DOI. Can somebody fix this please? Thanks. >> M.P.Schneider,LC ( parlemus • feci) 08:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
|authorformat=vanc
. --
Gadget850
talk
11:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)I am going through Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters and fixing the bad parameters in the cites. I came across the page Template:Cite doi/10.1.1.112.9508 which has the red text "Unknown parameter |doix= ignored". It is used in the article Shared Risk Resource Group, but the red text does not appear. My question is, is this x there for a reason and why does it not show in the article? I would like to fix these, as it would literally fix two articles at once.-- Auric talk 21:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
|doi=
. |doix=
is not documented; maybe it is a typo in the preloaded text. Strange that noone took care: the preload does not have para |doi=
. -
DePiep (
talk)
13:29, 6 May 2013 (UTC)|doi=
was changed into |doix=
[4] by
User:Smith609. at that time, it had the effect of commenting out the doi input (|doix=
did and does not exist in CS1). Today with the new CS1 in LUA, the parameter is marked as an error, as the OP here notes. I have changed it into |doi=
. -
DePiep (
talk)
08:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
|unused_data=
[auml]. ex.
Template:Cite doi/10.1038.2Fnphys1341. What was that for?--
Auric
talk
11:36, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
|unused_data=[auml]
was written by a bot to "park" a lone data-value that missed a parameter. The value [auml]
has this history (knowing that ä is an HTML-shortcut for ä (a-umlaut):
[5]: ä added with the name Fäustlin, but done wrongly (the symbol | (pipe) was added too???). Then next edit another bot (same family) changed the lone-data error into |unused_data=[auml]
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Template:Cite_doi/10.1038.2Fnphys1341&diff=next&oldid=312107473] what you discovered. So the sulution is: write the name correctly, and then delete the whole |unused_data=
you have found unneeded. In general, |unused_data=
can find other input value that may or may not contain useful data (it was not visible earlier). Per case, you can decide what to do with it. If it makes no sense to the citation, deletion is OK. -
DePiep (
talk)
12:48, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
|doix=
is the URL-ENCODED version of the DOI, which is corrected by Citation Bot. So when switching it for |doi=
, be sure to replace url-encoded parameters such as %2F with / (or as necessary).
Martin (
Smith609 –
Talk)
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I propose to add two four pass-through parameters to {{
cite doi}}:
|displayauthors={{template other||{{{displayauthors|}}}}} |displayeditors={{template other||{{{displayeditors|}}}}} |authorformat={{template other||{{{authorformat|}}}}} |editorformat={{template other||{{{editorformat|}}}}}
as is done in the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}.
Background: The new
module:Citation/CS1 (in Lua) adds the new parameters |displayauthors=
and |displayeditors=
. They can limit the number of authors shown to n plus et al., while all authors are entered (to keep good metadata for COinS). Formerly, this number was set to a maximum of 8+et al. See
Help:CS1_errors#.7Cdisplayauthors.3D_suggested.
When using the {{
cite doi}} template we want be able to set this number in the article page. Since the specific template can receive and apply the para value (as the example does), it would function if the value is passed through.
Then, to have the template page itself show all names always, we add the {{
template other}} switch.
The same applies, mutatis mutandis, for the editors, authorformat, editorformat.
Example future usage: {{ Cite doi/10.1140.2Fepja.2Fi2006-10091-y}} as is used on page Seaborgium.
Testcases: See {{ Cite doi/testcases}}, using the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}. Note that we need to transclude the testpage to a page outside template space for effect. - DePiep ( talk) 14:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
|authorformat=vanc
will truncate it to initials. --
Gadget850
talk
14:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
When done, I'll add the the four parameters to {{ Cite doi/preload}}, latest position:
|displayauthors={{{displayauthors|}}} |displayeditors={{{displayeditors|}}} |authorformat={{{authorformat|}}} |editorformat={{{editorformat|}}}
- DePiep ( talk) 22:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I have made the requested change. (Although I'm really not sure why {{ template other}} is required here.) — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
|displayauthors=
. So let's drop it, next important protected-edit. -
DePiep (
talk)
21:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Request: Please copy paste all {{ cite doi/sandbox}} code into the live template. Background: The last edit [6] introduced a bug (brackets were placed wrong). I have corrected it in the {{ cite doi/sandbox}}. Also I removed the useless {{ template other}} that was added (4 times). DePiep ( talk) 10:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to create a citation for 10.1017/S0021853712000473 so I enter {{
cite doi|10.1017/S0021853712000473}}
. All that comes out though is authorformat=
I was expecting something like {{ cite pmid}} where a job is set up that goes and populates the citation, so I don't quite understand the admonitions about formatting. I note that seemingly the internal "/" is converted to "2F" in the subpage name.
Am I doing it right? - is it broken?
John of Cromer in Philippines transit (
talk) mytime= Sun 01:42, wikitime=
00:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- DePiep ( talk) 10:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Is it going to be fixed as I have several other cites I want to submit?
John of Cromer in Philippines transit (
talk) mytime= Sun 23:09, wikitime=
22:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
OK, except bot doesn't run, so nothing is created. Your talk of sandbox is a red herring,
John of Cromer in Philippines transit (
talk) mytime= Sun 23:58, wikitime=
22:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
{{Cite journal | last1 = Jones | first1 = H. | title = Rethinking Politics in the Colony: The Métis of Senegal and Urban Politics in the Late Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Century | doi = 10.1017/S0021853712000473 | journal = The Journal of African History | volume = 53 | issue = 3 | pages = 325–344 | date = November 2012| location = New York | pmid = | pmc = }}
: →Jones, H. (November 2012). "Rethinking Politics in the Colony: The Métis of Senegal and Urban Politics in the Late Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Century". The Journal of African History. 53 (3). New York: 325–344. doi: 10.1017/S0021853712000473.
? - DePiep ( talk) 23:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link).Does anyone have any idea why the ref (right now #45) in Chloroplast#Thylakoids over near the image shows up as a cite doi= error? Naraht ( talk) 12:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Austin II, Jotham R (2011).
"Three-Dimensional Architecture of Grana and Stroma Thylakoids of Higher Plants as Determined by Electron Tomography". Plant Physiology. 155 (4): 1601–1611 .
doi:
10.1104/pp.110.170647. Retrieved 18 May 2013. {{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help); zero width space character in |pages=
at position 11 (
help)
-- Gadget850 talk 17:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Watt cites DOI 10.2307/3236412, and gets an error that "More than one of |author1= and |last1= specified". -- j⚛e decker talk 20:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
|author1=
when |last1=
was already present.--
Auric
talk
21:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)Hi, I would like to discuss whether something like this [1] would be feasible.
I think it would lead to a clearer look while encouraging some authors to include valuable information (like quotations or sourcing of the funds..ISSN) and even specify what exactly in the section is referenced by the paper (the last sentence, or more, the whole section?). Ok, I enriched this reference rather a bit much to make a clear example.
It should be just optional in case an author thinks, it´s a bit much text in this specific footnote, because it contains quotes, comments and so on.
By the way: In browsers without js it would be displayed expanded.
My technical question is, how to extract everything but quotation (and maybe the doi) for the unexpanded text from the cite doi template (which I did manually as preventative a mock up version in this example). In the expanded version we also would have more space for the seventh.. and so on authors, that are otherwise only referred to as et Al. Further ideas like displaying the issue, volume and page information (only) in the expanded part for articles with a link to the soft copy might be controversial, right?
Looking forward to getting your input,
CONCLUSION From the available data of in vitro and in situ studies, preventive strategies for patients suffering from erosion include dietary advice, stimulation of salivary flow, optimization of fluoride regimens, modification of erosive beverages and adequate oral hygiene measures.Further Comments: This paper is also an important reference for the importance of Flouride as a preventive measure against caries and suggestions for improved soft drinks.
--
Saimondo (
talk)
16:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, a transfer of the 'Cite doi' data sets to commons would be linkable on all other wikipedias. What do you think? What would be necessary for a transfer? Dearest Greetings, -- Ghilt ( talk) 16:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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I propose to add two additional pass-through parameters to {{ cite doi}}:
|author-separator={{template other||{{{author-separator|}}}}} |author-name-separator={{template other||{{{author-name-separator|}}}}}
and an additional "master" van(couver) parameter that in turn sets the following default values for the following parameters:
| authorformat = vanc | author-separator = , | author-name-separator =  
as is done in the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}.
Background: See this and this for previous related discussions. The {{ cite doi}} template is hard wired to render the citations in a way that may not be consistent with previously established citation styles used in Wikipedia articles and therefore often conflicts with WP:CITEVAR. One solution is to substitute cite doi templates in these articles. The requested change will allow some flexibility in the way authors are rendered by {{ cite doi}} and hence will allow compatibility with a wider range of citation styles. In particular, setting the "van = yes" parameter will render the citations in the Vancouver system which is widely used in biomedical and scientific articles and will make the rendered cite doi citations match those produced by the Diberri template filling tool.
Test cases: See {{ Cite doi/testcases}}, using the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}. See in particular the examples in the Vancouver style section.
Documentation: I have boldly documented these new parameters here. Boghog ( talk) 16:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Related template: I have made analogous changes to {{ cite pmid/sandbox}} and {{ cite pmid/testcases}}. I will hold off on that edit request to first see how this one goes. Boghog ( talk) 19:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
|authorformat=
overrides |van=yes
, which should not happen. Blank parameters should be completely ignored. If van=yes and authorformat is blank or missing, the authors' initials should not have periods after them.| authorformat = |
(completely ignored, equivalent to not including parameter)| authorformat = "" |
(reinitialize parameter to the default blank state) | author-separator=, | author-name-separator =  
". Therefore I think it is very unlikely that an editor would want to set the "van" parameter to "yes" and then disable parts of it.One of the most common additions I make to a standard DOI link is to add url= with a url of where a journal article can be accessed, and format=PDF if it's in PDF format. Many times the DOI link will have a link to a pay-walled version an article's full text, but the article is available free elsewhere on the web (e.g. on an author's university page). Scholar.google.com is pretty good at associating links to free versions that it finds with DOI citations. I can edit a "cite doi" into a "cite journal" to manually add the parameters, but I think it would be nice to add url, format, and possibly accessdate as pass-through parameters. (Accessdate isn't encouraged for unchanging journal articles, but it doesn't have a strictly defined purpose and isn't discouraged either; someone may wish to include it just to indicate when that link was working.)
That would allow a more compact
“cite doi=10.1093/jhered/est073 | url= http://www.landislab.ent.msu.edu/publications/Hamm%20MS%20Natural%20History%202013%20final.pdf | format=PDF”
rather than
“cite journal|last1=Hamm|first1=C. A.|last2=Rademacher|first2=V.|last3=Landis|first3=D. A.|last4=Williams|first4=B. L.|title=Conservation Genetics and the Implication for Recovery of the Endangered Mitchell's Satyr Butterfly, Neonympha mitchellii mitchellii|journal=Journal of Heredity|volume=105|issue=1|year=2013|pages=19–27|issn=0022-1503|doi=10.1093/jhered/est073 | url= http://www.landislab.ent.msu.edu/publications/Hamm%20MS%20Natural%20History%202013%20final.pdf | format=PDF”
-- Agyle ( talk) 07:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
|url=
parameter. That will add it to the cite journal template that cite doi uses. Doing it this way is clean in the original article and allows all articles that transclude that particular cite doi template to see the URL. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
15:46, 29 December 2013 (UTC)Please have a look at the
Resistive random-access memory article – why is {{
Cite doi}} complaining about missing or empty |title=
parameters? —
Dsimic (
talk |
contribs)
09:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Using the Harvard style of referencing, it's frequently necessary to insert a letter after the year to distinguish multiple papers written by the same author within the same year. For example:
{{harvtxt|Bessel|1844a}} *{{Cite journal | ref = harv| last = Bessel | first = F. W. | authorlink = Friedrich Bessel| title = Ueber Veränderlichkeit der eigenen Bewegungen der Fixsterne | language = German| trans_title = Variations of the proper motions of the fixed stars| doi = 10.1002/asna.18450221002 | journal = Astronomische Nachrichten | volume = 22 | issue = 514| pages = 145–160 | year = 1844a| pmid = | pmc = | bibcode = 1844AN.....22..145B}}
displays as
The problem is that for this to work the year=1844a had to be added in the cite doi template. But this is silly! Another article using the same reference will need a different suffix letter or no suffix at all. So how about
cffk ( talk) 02:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite doi}}
template is compatible with what you want to do. You are better off simply copying or substing the content of the template, then adding a letter to the end of the year value. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
04:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)FYI: {{ Vancite doi}} and {{ Vcite doi}} use {{ Cite doi}} as meta-templates. I don't see they are used anywhere though. -- Gadget850 talk 12:50, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the template Template:cite doi continue to work by pulling the details from a separate subtemplate of which there are approximately 55k in Category:Cite doi templates at the moment? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Please take part in the discussion at
Template talk:Cite isbn#Is there really a consensus not to use this template? about whether the RfC to deprecate {{cite doi}}
applies to {{
cite isbn}}, and whether recent subst-ing out of {{cite isbn}}
has consensus.
Curly Turkey
¡gobble!
23:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Please keep the discussion to the appropriate location at
Template talk:Cite isbn#Is there really a consensus not to use this template?
|
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claiming a consensus had already been reached at a discussion that had just been opened– Where did I claim that? All I claimed was
you have not provided any specific examplesand at the time I asked that question, you still had not answered it. You answered it two hours later. Hence your comment was indeed false. Boghog ( talk) 22:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you were opening parallel threads. Please assume some good faith. Boghog ( talk) 06:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
You made a false statement and then accused me of lying about it. That is trolling. Boghog ( talk) 06:12, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please add {{Deprecated template|Cite doi|Cite journal|date=May 2015}} LeadSongDog come howl! 15:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
template. Please request that the related discussions are closed (I see some seem to have consensus and others don't at first glance) and consensus is reached before reopening this request. Thank you. — {{U|
Technical 13}} (
e •
t •
c)
15:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
template. That closure says: Existing and future DOI details should be included in articles, however, the bot function should remain, with a BRFA raised to change its function to use cite journal within articles without separate subpages. CSD:T3 does not apply, and mass deletion of orphaned citation templates should not occur without further consensus. Some consideration should be given to future automated processing of the data in case there is a future consensus to centralize citations. This is without prejudice toward further UI improvements that may render this discussion moot by providing seamless editing of centralized citations.which only says that only the bot should be changed to use Cite Journal over this template, it says nothing about deprecating this template. —
{{U|
Technical 13}} (
e •
t •
c)
20:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)As clearly stated here, "there is not clear numerical majority consensus" for deprecating this template. Moreover, most editors oppose the depreciation. As per WP:NOCON, "When actions by administrators are contested and the discussion results in no consensus either for the action or for reverting the action, the action is normally reverted". So, the depreciation should be reverted and the template should not be deprecated, until there is consensus to deprecate it. -- Erel Segal ( talk) 07:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Policies and guidelines should always be applied using reason and common sensewhich is also POLICY. Boghog ( talk) 22:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right. In this case, neutral independent third party (the closer) read the arguments made at WP:MED and concluded they did apply globally. Boghog ( talk) 06:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
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Following this discussion, Template:cite doi currently operates by searching the doi string against an individual template subpage within Category:Cite doi templates (each of which is simply a hardcoded {{cite journal}} citation). There are currently over 50k doi template subpages (more than 10% out of all templatespace) out of approximately 67 million doi in existence. Each citation is of very low (or no) usage. Should every subtemplate under Template:cite doi be substituted into each page as a cite journal citation? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 05:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Following that, the closer also repeats the "used only once" argument without taking note advantages still present (and mentioned). This too could be in top of an RfC: "Please discuss, but these our habits will be enforced anyhow. After that, we might read use your argument".
As for the "unwatched pages", I feel misrepresented. It looks like this is about "unused" templates (with a strange twist of wording), which could easily be deleted without changing anything to the argument.
Etcetera. - DePiep ( talk) 09:41, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
It appears that {{ sfn}} is broken now to accomodate/enforce the outcome (see helium). (Couldn't find the actual template page edited; anyone knows?).
However, this is inacceptable. After a deprecation, it is up to the handler (could be the closer or a bot or AWB or manual), but blanket-breaking the pages is unacceptable. I request reversal of the break. Noting "deprecated" is enough, then in this case a bot should do the cleanup. - DePiep ( talk) 09:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
In the long term, such citation metatdata should be held in Wikidata, once, and can then be used by any of our projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
The deprecation notice says that the current template is deprecated and that {{cite journal|doi= }} is a replacement. I used this template in several articles, and nothing happpened - the missing details were not completed even after several weeks. See, for instance, fair item assignment. I think this is a good reason to put the deprecation on hold, until there is a sufficiently good replacement. -- Erel Segal ( talk) 07:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
A general rule with acronyms is that you should define them somewhere. This page should say somewhere what DOI stands for. I'm guessing it's "date of" something, but it would help to know for sure. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 08:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, it should also say what PMID stands for. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 08:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I found out. And I added links to the definitions for the Cite DOI and Cite PMID template pages. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 21:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
The "edit" button may be undesirable, therefore I am proposing on adding the new parameter "noedit" to the added the template. The code is available in the following patch:
<includeonly>{{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{#ifexist:Template:Cite doi/{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}|{{Cite doi|{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}{{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|noedit||<span class=plainlinksneverexpand style=font-size:smaller> [http://en.wikipedia.org{{localurl:Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}|action=edit&editintro=Template:Cite_doi/editintro2}} edit]</span>}}|{{doi|{{{1}}}}}<br /><span class="plainlinksneverexpand">This citation will be automatically completed in the next few minutes. <small>You can [http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Bot/DOI_bot/doibot.php?doi={{urlencode:{{{1}}}}} jump the queue] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/?preload=Template:Cite_doi/preload&editintro=Template:Cite_doi/editintro&action=edit&title=Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}} expand by hand]</small></span>[[Category:Pages with incomplete DOI references|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}|<span class=error>Error: No DOI specified!</span>}}</includeonly><noinclude>{{documentation}}</noinclude>
Demonstration of its functionality.
Thanks. ChyranandChloe ( talk) 05:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
This new way of creating citations is very welcome. The lack of an edit friendly means of inserting citations is having a negative impact on the potential quality of science articles. Those that in their daily work write papers use Endnote etc and do not expect text cluttered with code. It is hassle to much and I suspect stops both the editing of articles and the creation of new ones.
However, it needs the noedit option as a default as it otherwise creates what looks very much like a "please vandalize me" button. Also for scientific journals the inclusion of any date information other than the year is redundant. It would also seem also inappropriate to include an issn link to the journal and including a statement of "(Free full text)"--this is implied by blue clickable text of the title. On articles with 100+ references the extra letters involves takes space and hinders the ease of locating references in the reference list.
I also note the initials of authors are only capitalized the first letter.-- LittleHow ( talk) 10:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
This is an important wikipedia project since it will remove an important barrier that stops contributions from people with something to contribute but not enough time to learn the complexities of citation. It would be good if one can add the stop edit button appearing. What is the progress on this? Best wishes-- LittleHow ( talk) 07:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a great tool; however, could you please add a link to the PubMed record using the PMID? Currently, the tool is only making a link with the doi. - Thanks - Badgettrg ( talk) 15:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that you standardize the name attribute of the ref tag using the pmid or doi. For example, the article with PMID 123456 would have the name pmid123456 giving:
The rationale is that with long articles, two editors may cite the same article twice at different times. If the name attribute is not standardized, the article will show in the bibliography twice. Thanks - Badgettrg ( talk) 15:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
With the actual citation on an unwatched page, this makes it easy for vandalism to go unnoticed. Discussed before, it there an anti-vandal bot? Or how do we respond or prevent vandalism? ChyranandChloe ( talk) 03:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
This is probably the nicest citation technique I've ever seen (in any text editing environment, not just Wikipedia). Great work! Vesal ( talk) 17:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I noticed recently that automatically expanding citations no longer works. I'm not sure if this is a Citation Bot bug, or a bug in my browser, but this seems like the best place to ask. Every time I click on "automatically expand", it goes to the auto update page and apparently tries to expand the citation, but aborts quickly with some non-descriptive error (something about blank pages) and does not create the template page. This used to work in the past; any ideas what might be wrong?— Tetracube ( talk) 19:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm a bit clueless. I'm trying to use {{ cite google book}} and not getting anywhere, is this the place to ask? -- Muhandes ( talk) 19:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Somehow this is not working:
{{Cite journal| last1 = Schievink | first1 = W.| last2 = Maya | first2 = M.| last3 = Louy | first3 = C.| title = Cranial MRI predicts outcome of spontaneous intracranial hypotension| journal = Neurology| volume = 64| issue = 7| pages = 1282–1284| year = 2005| pmid = 15824366| doi = 10.1212/01.WNL.0000156906.84165.C0}}
Schievink, W.; Maya, M.; Louy, C. (2005). "Cranial MRI predicts outcome of spontaneous intracranial hypotension". Neurology. 64 (7): 1282–1284.
doi:
10.1212/01.WNL.0000156906.84165.C0.
PMID
15824366.
S2CID
1048081.
This is a correct number, check: http://diberri.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi?ddb=&type=pubmed_id&id=15824366&dont_use_etal=1
Others are working fine. N6n ( talk) 07:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
|ref=
Is it possible to implement |ref=harv
? ----
CharlesGillingham (
talk)
22:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
|ref=
operates exactly like it does in {{
cite journal}}: if |ref=
is not set, then {{
cite doi}} creates no anchor.) ----
CharlesGillingham (
talk)
16:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
|ref=harv
. I don't think there would be any disadvantage to this. If you want to use a different parameter for |ref=
you have to set it by hand anyway, and all it does is
change the name of the html anchor. (Not that I'm a programmer...) —
Mr. Stradivarius (
drop me a line)
23:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
|ref={{{ref|harv}}}
to every new cite doi (and possibly to all old ones too), and program this template so that {{cite doi|Example|ref=none}}
will remove the anchor (not difficult).
Ucucha
10:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
|ref=
consistent with {{
cite journal}}
, thus adding |ref={{{ref|}}}
to newly generated citations and passing the parameter: the user will say {{cite doi|Example}}
for non-Harvard refs, {{cite doi|Example|ref=harv}}
for default Harvard refs and {{cite doi|Example|ref=whatever}}
for an article-specific ref. The documentation should be updated to say what is needed if ref=harv is used with an older generated template, unless the bot could be clever enough to add the new parameter to older citations when necessary.I used Cite doi for the first time to add a bunch of references to Red#In nature (the paragraph beginning "Red is associated dominance in a number of animal species...") but all of them have been reported as broken. Now, more than likely I screwed something up – but I was wondering because the external doi: links are actually all functioning, and looking at Citation bot 2's recent contributions there are far more broken edits than successful ones. — Joseph Roe Tk• Cb, 13:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
The PMC url should be changed from
http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=XXXXX
to
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMCXXXXX/
where XXXXX is the PMC ID
Whywhenwhohow ( talk) 07:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
In the Ernst Mayr article, I noticed this reference:
where I (at least) see a 'black question mark' before the "O" of "Vuilleumier, F. O." Possibly an issue of an accented capital letter needing escaping, although if you look at the original, actually the first author doesn't have an initial. Peter coxhead ( talk) 08:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I've never used the template in earnest, but I note that (on my browser/platform anyway) there are other problems with non-ASCII characters, e.g. in
the first author's name should be "Källersjö" and isn't for me. Peter coxhead ( talk) 08:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
They all seem to say "This citation will be automatically completed in the next few minutes. etc" right now. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 05:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
LeadSongDog come howl! 05:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
.2F
, but now returns one of:/ %2F %2F
The DOI "10.1002/(SICI)1098-2345(1997)43:2<159::AID-AJP5>3.0.CO;2-W" managed to generate some interesting behavior from the bot that automatically creates these citation templates. Apparently it sat in the queue for days, and if you selected the option to "jump the queue", it directed you to Template:Cite doi/10.1002.2F.28SICI.291098-2345.281997.2943:2.3C159::AID-AJP5.3E3.0.CO.3B2-W, which was already created. If you selected the option to manually create it, it sent you to Template:Cite doi/10.1002.2F.28SICI.291098-2345.281997.2943:23.0.CO.3B2-W, which did not exist. I initially fixed the first one, but this did not make the citation appear in the article ( Sunda Slow Loris), so I then created the second one, which fixed the problem. I'm not sure what happened here. – VisionHolder « talk » 20:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
edit thingie? why there and how to get rid of? TCO ( talk)
Cause it is showing up in the article and none of the other refs have it. And it looks like crap hanging out there in the citation. :( TCO ( talk) 10:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Do I have to go back and recreate it all from scratch? TCO ( talk) 10:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I figured it out. Tantrum over. TCO ( talk) 10:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
.citedoi-editlink { display: none; }
.citedoi-editlink { text-decoration: blink; font-size: 500% }
I've spent 20 minutes trying to add an authorlink. The documentation here doesn't help. I found this within this template at Euler–Maclaurin formula:
I changed it to this:
That seems to be what the documentation says I should do in such cases.
It didn't work. This shouldn't be a big puzzle; it should take a few seconds. Michael Hardy ( talk) 23:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
For some reason, when I used {{cite doi | 10.1007/s00265-002-0552-5}}
, the bot couldn't create the template. Instead, I used the jstor ID (4602191) with {{
cite jstor}}, and the bot created
Template:Cite doi/10.2307.2F4602191 instead. Anyway, I've populated the template and put it to use, but the fact that the DOI in the template name doesn't match the actual DOI bothers me a little. What's going on here? –
VisionHolder «
talk »
21:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Is there a way that this template (as well as {{
cite jstor}} and others) could allow an option to append a letter to the year parameter through a passed variable, rather than editing the template version? For example, if you have two DOIs in the same article that have the same authors and are published the same year (but different titles, etc.) then technically we should list the years as (for example) 2003a and 2003b. This is particularly important if we use {{
Sfn}}. Another option is to allow us to pass an alternative year, such as an "altyear" parameter. That way we can use both {{cite doi | ... | altyear = 2003a}}
and {{cite doi | ... | altyear = 2003b}}
. –
VisionHolder «
talk »
22:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Could someone add the noedit
option to the {{
cite pmid}} template, thanks. Template programming is unfortunately not one of my abilities -
Meewam (
talk)
06:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
It is not usual practice, when citing, to list every single author. It's usual to stop at three, and then say "et. al.", is it not? How can we encourage either the bot, or template editors NOT to name every single author?
If that's not possible, can we add a Cite doi parameter called numauth= which restricts to the first n authors, and adds "et. al."? I'm specifically referring to abominations such as
That's just silly - this template should not be used to wallpaper theentire front page of the journal article. -- Lexein ( talk) 04:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
|first#=
and |last#=
parameters are used, which will set the maximum number of authors listed to 9. So feel free to edit that template.
Martin (
Smith609 –
Talk)
01:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
{{cite doi|10.1002/1521-3773(20020802)41:15<2725::AID-ANIE2725>3.0.CO;2-G}} doesn't appear to be researching correctly. All it grabs is the title without anything else. And entering that doi at crossref.org definitely goes to a place containing more information than that. I presume that this has to do with a symbol, just not sure if it is the paren, the angle bracket/less than or the semi colon. Any ideas? Naraht ( talk) 15:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
The bot has just generated the template for DOI 10.1111.2Fj.1469-7610.1960.tb01979.x , and the title has a "?" in place of "–" (hex e2 80 93, UTF-8 EN DASH). -- Mirokado ( talk) 03:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
There is also a problem with "\" instead of "[" in the citation for Akiskal, H. S.; Benazzi, F. (2006). "The DSM-IV and ICD-10 categories of recurrent [major] depressive and bipolar II disorders: Evidence that they lie on a dimensional spectrum". Journal of Affective Disorders. 92 (1): 45–54. doi: 10.1016/j.jad.2005.12.035. PMID 16488021. -- Mirokado ( talk) 00:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Is it possible to create an alternate version (or at least add a parameter) that enables names to be rendered first names/initials first? e.g. John Doe (1986) instead of Doe, John (1986)? -- OBSIDIAN† SOUL 17:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
|author=John Doe
instead of |last=Doe
|first=John
.
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If an admin could put {{ cite doi/sandbox}} into {{ cite doi}}, that would be peachy. What it does is check if the DOI starts with '10.Foobar'. If not, it throws an error message and populates Category:Pages with DOI errors. It's tested and everything. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 18:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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Is it possible to create a template that uses the isbn number instead of the doi to automatically retrieve biblio metadata? -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 23:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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Is the template set up to default to not having the edit link? If not can this please be done? There is a previous discussion further up this page. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 21:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I would like to see this template default to not having the edit link after the doi rather than default to being present as currently implemented. As previously discussed it is unnecessary clutter, it is a function that is rarely needed, and it yet another target for vandals. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 00:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
citation/core}}
templates got such an [edit] link, what would be the target of that link? For a DOI it's simple, because each different DOI is held in its own template, so the edit link is targetted to edit that one template. For example, I could put this into an article: {{
cite doi|10.1038/nature02043}}
- which produces
{{
cite journal}}
. But the ordinary uses of {{
cite journal}}
are in articles, where they may be listed with several other such templates in a dedicated section; or they may be enclosed in <ref>...</ref>
tags. What should that edit link actually edit? Unlike a DOI, there is no special subtemplate, so the link has to be one which will target the whole article section, which may well contain other material irrelevant to the citation which needs editing. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
14:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC){{
cite doi}}
was a good idea and I wanted it used for
ISBN as well, but I have now gone off the idea completely. One thing that put me off is that
COinS biblio metadata is not able to pulled out of the article. As with SMcCandlish I am also concerned about the quality of WP refs and I am looking into getting a bot to help with sorting them out. See
Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 46#Checking_WP_ref_fields_with_external_databases. --
Alan Liefting (
talk -
contribs)
23:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)In trying to clean up Category:Pages with DOI errors, I ran into something odd at Ch (computer programming), two of the entries had DOIs that didn't start with "10." but it appears that the documents they reference to do indeed say that they have non "10." "doi"s. See http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-WOLF200905018.htm , that paper says :
【DOI】: CNKI:SUN:WOLF.0.2009-05-018
and http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-JYJS200907016.htm , that paper says
【DOI】: CNKI:SUN:JYJS.0.2009-07-016
Any ideas? Naraht ( talk) 21:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
|doi=
. We could develop a CNKI template and/or parameter. Converting the CNKI doi to a URL would be a bit nasty. If you want this automated like {{
cite doi}}, then citation bot would need to be updated. There are currently 127 CNKI links
[3]. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
02:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
|cnki=
. As for the non 10.xxxx/<foobar> dois, that seems to be on account of certain DOI that starts with 100.xxxx/<foobar>. Error checking should be updated to handle those.
Headbomb {
talk /
contribs /
physics /
books}
15:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
|CNKI=
to {{
citation/identifier}}|CNKI=
to {{
citation/core}}|CNKI=
to each
Citation Style 1 template and to {{
citation}}OK, fixed the template (pieces 1 & 3 don't go in the URL). The next step will be to figure out if there is enough information in the URLs for a bot to "scrape" what is needed into a sub page like for doi. Note we may also need to consider cnki vs cnki-zh templates. http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTOTAL-JYJS200907016.htm and http://www.cnki.com.cn/Article/CJFDTOTAL-JYJS200907016.htm have the same cnki number and there appear to be articles which have zh versions but not en versions. Naraht ( talk) 16:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
DOI bot does not appear to be working today:
http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Bot/DOI_bot/doibot.php
Anyone able to check? kashmiri ( talk) 20:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
... for the time being... -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 01:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Per Help talk:Citation Style 1#Centralized talk page, I have centralized the Citation Style 1 talk pages. There was discussion about centralizing the bot-filled template here, so I put these pages on hold.
I am open to centralizing either here or to Help talk:Citation Style 1. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Done ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
12:04, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Request withdrawn Objection by Headbomb. All centralized talk pages reverted. ---—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
02:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
While this template is interesting and potentially space-saving, it does seem like an invitation for subtle vandalism. Who is going to put every template on their watch list? Regards, RJH ( talk) 16:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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There are two minor errors in the template's output. First, the wikilinked "doi" should be "DOI", and second, "et al" should be "et al." since "al" is an abbreviation of "alii". Example of both:
{{
Edit protected}}
It would be useful if this template could locally override the 'display-authors' parameter of the transcluded cite journal template generated by bot. That would allow for consistent author lists within an article. Perhaps this could be done by passing the 'display-authors' setting as an override variable (e.g. override-display-authors=) to the transcluded template? Thank you. Regards,
RJH (
talk)
02:58, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
{{
Cite doi}}
...and even then, it may require more extensive of functionality of
parser functions than we currently have. Even if I'm misunderstanding, and even if it's otherwise possible to do, I have to mark this as |{{Cite doi|{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}<!--
|{{Cite doi|{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}|display-authors={{{display-authors|}}}}}<!--
|lastn=
|firstn=
parameter pairs (or in separate |authorn=
parameters where the last/first approach is inappropriate, such as some non-English names); (ii) add one line inside the {{
cite journal}}
of that template:
|display-authors={{{display-authors|}}}
{{
cite doi}}
so that it specifies |display-authors=3
or whatever figure is desired. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
19:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8 is a valid DOI, and points to
doi:
10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8.
But{{cite journal | doi = 10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8 | first1 = Dieter | last1 = Hauschke | first2 = Meinhard | last2 = Kieser | first3 = Edgar | last3 = Diletti | first4 = Martin | last4 = Burke | year = 1999 | title = Sample size determination for proving equivalence based on the ratio of two means for normally distributed data | journal = Statistics in Medicine | volume = 18 | issue = 1 | pages = 93–105 | pmid=9990695}}
generates
Template:Cite doi/10.1002.2F.28SICI.291097-0258.2819990115.2918:1.3C93::AID-SIM992.3E3.0.CO.3B2-8, with the invalid characters replaced with hex codes.
Is there any way to point the call to {{cite doi}}
to the template without (a) knowing which characters are invalid in titles and (b) knowing the hex code for those characters?
Thanks in advance--
Illia Connell (
talk)
01:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. You're right, I haven't used it yet because although{{cite journal | doi = 10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8 | first1 = Dieter | last1 = Hauschke | first2 = Meinhard | last2 = Kieser | first3 = Edgar | last3 = Diletti | first4 = Martin | last4 = Burke | year = 1999 | title = Sample size determination for proving equivalence based on the ratio of two means for normally distributed data | journal = Statistics in Medicine | volume = 18 | issue = 1 | pages = 93–105 | pmid=9990695}}
generates the template, it doesn't link to the template because the page name of the generated template doesn't match the exact DOI. It just shows this:
Hauschke, Dieter; Kieser, Meinhard; Diletti, Edgar; Burke, Martin (1999). "Sample size determination for proving equivalence based on the ratio of two means for normally distributed data". Statistics in Medicine. 18 (1): 93–105.
doi:
10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19990115)18:1<93::AID-SIM992>3.0.CO;2-8.
PMID
9990695.
It should show the actual citation.
For example, {{Cite journal | last1 = Vassallo | first1 = C. L. | title = Rheumatoid arthritis of the cricoarytenoid joints; cause of upper airway obstruction | doi = 10.1001/archinte.117.2.273 | journal = Archives of Internal Medicine | volume = 117 | issue = 2 | pages = 273–275 | year = 1966 | pmid = 5901562| pmc = }}
shows this:
Vassallo, C. L. (1966). "Rheumatoid arthritis of the cricoarytenoid joints; cause of upper airway obstruction". Archives of Internal Medicine. 117 (2): 273–275.
doi:
10.1001/archinte.117.2.273.
PMID
5901562..
It can do this because the page name
Template:Cite doi/10.1001.2Farchinte.117.2.273 matches the exact DOI.
Thanks for your help
Illia Connell (
talk)
14:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
{{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
the first time, and the bot generates the subpage [[cite doi/DOI_Number]]
. The second call to {{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
simply displays the reference. However, in my actual problem, the DOI contains characters that cannot be used in a wiki page name, so the bot generates something like: [[cite doi/DOIC19Number]]
. Then, subsequent calls to {{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
don't recognize [[cite doi/DOIC19Number]]
because the name is not the actual DOI. My question is how do we get a call to {{cite doi | DOI_Number}}
to "know" that [[cite doi/DOIC19Number]]
is the correct corresponding citation?
This issue has been raised before, but apparently there's a bug that has not been fixed:
Template_talk:Cite_doi/Archive_1#broken and
Template_talk:Cite_doi/Archive_1#Error_in_auto-creation
Illia Connell (
talk)
18:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Would it be possible to automatically add templates that the bot creates at my request to my watchlist? Although as I write this, I doubt that the bot knows who clicked the "jump the queue" link, but it never hurts to ask Illia Connell ( talk) 22:17, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Sometimes (often?) templates are listed for speedy deletion becuase "they are not used anywhere". See, for example, Template:Cite doi/10.1016.2Fj.actaastro.2007.01.052 and Template:Cite doi/10.1007.2Fs11263-006-0002-3. I'd like to suggest replacing Template:Cite doi/subpage with User:Illia Connell/template cite doi subpage doc. -- Illia Connell ( talk) 03:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Template:Cite_doi/editintro2 was emptied by a bot in December 2011. If this was a mistake, then the bot's edit should be reverted and
Template:Cite_doi/editintro2 should be protected to prevent the bot making the same edit later. If the bot's edit was not a mistake, I suggest deleting the now empty
Template:Cite_doi/editintro2, and changing [{{fullurl:Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}|action=edit&editintro=Template:Cite_doi/editintro2}} edit]
to [{{fullurl:Template:cite_doi/{{urlencode:{{anchorencode:{{{1}}}}}}}|action=edit}} edit]
. --
Illia Connell (
talk)
04:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
{{editprotected}}
In two places, please replace [[Category:Pages with DOI errors]]
with {{main other|[[Category:Pages with DOI errors]]}}
. This will prevent the template adding non-articles to
Category:Pages with DOI errors. Thanks --
Illia Connell (
talk)
04:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
This needs clarification: does this template require abbreviation of surnames? If so, it is a stupid policy (because it decreases informational content, introduces ambiguity in some cases, and generally increases entropy), and will force some editors to systematically avoid using this template's sub-entries. Scanning the Wikipedia Manual of Style, I did not find such an abbreviation requirement anywhere.
I think that section should be omitted entirely, as it is handled by simply setting the first/last parameters of the citation templates. Urhixidur ( talk) 13:09, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Cite doi
sub-template typically just uses {{
cite journal}} or {{
cite book}} or some such, and none of those templates mandate abbreviation. In fact, the manual of style does not mandate abbreviation. Why introduce this requirement here?first#
family, something like initials#
. The doi
invocation would then use a parameter to pick between one style and the other. But retrofitting this would be a Herculean task.
Urhixidur (
talk)
11:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)first
field would allow abbreviation control from the {{
Cite doi}} invocation:| first = {{#ifeq:{{{abbrev|yes}}}|yes|T. M.|Timothy M.}}
Cite doi
sub-template with an abbrev=no
argument. The only change needed for {{
Cite doi}} would be to have it pass the abbrev
argument through.
Urhixidur (
talk)
11:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)Cross-posted from
Talk:Fluorescence/Archives/2015#Citation:
Somehow the citation of {{Cite journal | last1 = Acuña | first1 = A. Ulises | last2 = Amat-Guerri | first2 = Francisco | last3 = Morcillo | first3 = Purificación | last4 = Liras | first4 = Marta | last5 = Rodríguez | first5 = Benjamín | title = Structure and Formation of the Fluorescent Compound of ''Lignum nephriticum'' | doi = 10.1021/ol901022g | journal = Organic Letters | volume = 11 | issue = 14 | pages = 3020–3023 | year = 2009 | pmid = 19586062| url=http://202.127.145.151/siocl/siocl_0001/HHJdatabank/090707ol-6.pdf}}
produces
in which the last author's name appears as "RodríGuez" instead of "Rodríguez".
—DIV (
138.194.12.224 (
talk)
05:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC))
As far as I know, to make {{ cite doi}} style references work with {{ harvnb}} and {{ sfn}} you have to manually edit the template reference to add |ref=harv ( e.g.). Is there anyway to automate this? joe•roe t• c 15:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
|ref=harv
when creating a citation, but that won't add it to current citations. --—
Gadget850 (Ed)
talk
17:11, 8 December 2012 (UTC)Following on this talk page discussion, I took a look at Category:Pages_with_URL_errors. The first article listed there, Anosy mouse lemur cites one source using this template:
This renders as
{{
cite journal}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help); Unknown parameter |laydate=
ignored (
help); Unknown parameter |laysource=
ignored (
help); Unknown parameter |laysummary=
ignored (
help)with "Check url= scheme" and a garbled link for the clickable title. I thought I would mention that here in case it's a problem here. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Hopefully someone understand DOI's better than I do. I noticed several errors regarding a reference on Fringe_science#Contemporary then tried to fix it but the error seems to be in the DOI. Can somebody fix this please? Thanks. >> M.P.Schneider,LC ( parlemus • feci) 08:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
|authorformat=vanc
. --
Gadget850
talk
11:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)I am going through Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters and fixing the bad parameters in the cites. I came across the page Template:Cite doi/10.1.1.112.9508 which has the red text "Unknown parameter |doix= ignored". It is used in the article Shared Risk Resource Group, but the red text does not appear. My question is, is this x there for a reason and why does it not show in the article? I would like to fix these, as it would literally fix two articles at once.-- Auric talk 21:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
|doi=
. |doix=
is not documented; maybe it is a typo in the preloaded text. Strange that noone took care: the preload does not have para |doi=
. -
DePiep (
talk)
13:29, 6 May 2013 (UTC)|doi=
was changed into |doix=
[4] by
User:Smith609. at that time, it had the effect of commenting out the doi input (|doix=
did and does not exist in CS1). Today with the new CS1 in LUA, the parameter is marked as an error, as the OP here notes. I have changed it into |doi=
. -
DePiep (
talk)
08:52, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
|unused_data=
[auml]. ex.
Template:Cite doi/10.1038.2Fnphys1341. What was that for?--
Auric
talk
11:36, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
|unused_data=[auml]
was written by a bot to "park" a lone data-value that missed a parameter. The value [auml]
has this history (knowing that ä is an HTML-shortcut for ä (a-umlaut):
[5]: ä added with the name Fäustlin, but done wrongly (the symbol | (pipe) was added too???). Then next edit another bot (same family) changed the lone-data error into |unused_data=[auml]
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Template:Cite_doi/10.1038.2Fnphys1341&diff=next&oldid=312107473] what you discovered. So the sulution is: write the name correctly, and then delete the whole |unused_data=
you have found unneeded. In general, |unused_data=
can find other input value that may or may not contain useful data (it was not visible earlier). Per case, you can decide what to do with it. If it makes no sense to the citation, deletion is OK. -
DePiep (
talk)
12:48, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
|doix=
is the URL-ENCODED version of the DOI, which is corrected by Citation Bot. So when switching it for |doi=
, be sure to replace url-encoded parameters such as %2F with / (or as necessary).
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I propose to add two four pass-through parameters to {{
cite doi}}:
|displayauthors={{template other||{{{displayauthors|}}}}} |displayeditors={{template other||{{{displayeditors|}}}}} |authorformat={{template other||{{{authorformat|}}}}} |editorformat={{template other||{{{editorformat|}}}}}
as is done in the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}.
Background: The new
module:Citation/CS1 (in Lua) adds the new parameters |displayauthors=
and |displayeditors=
. They can limit the number of authors shown to n plus et al., while all authors are entered (to keep good metadata for COinS). Formerly, this number was set to a maximum of 8+et al. See
Help:CS1_errors#.7Cdisplayauthors.3D_suggested.
When using the {{
cite doi}} template we want be able to set this number in the article page. Since the specific template can receive and apply the para value (as the example does), it would function if the value is passed through.
Then, to have the template page itself show all names always, we add the {{
template other}} switch.
The same applies, mutatis mutandis, for the editors, authorformat, editorformat.
Example future usage: {{ Cite doi/10.1140.2Fepja.2Fi2006-10091-y}} as is used on page Seaborgium.
Testcases: See {{ Cite doi/testcases}}, using the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}. Note that we need to transclude the testpage to a page outside template space for effect. - DePiep ( talk) 14:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
|authorformat=vanc
will truncate it to initials. --
Gadget850
talk
14:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
When done, I'll add the the four parameters to {{ Cite doi/preload}}, latest position:
|displayauthors={{{displayauthors|}}} |displayeditors={{{displayeditors|}}} |authorformat={{{authorformat|}}} |editorformat={{{editorformat|}}}
- DePiep ( talk) 22:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I have made the requested change. (Although I'm really not sure why {{ template other}} is required here.) — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
|displayauthors=
. So let's drop it, next important protected-edit. -
DePiep (
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21:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Request: Please copy paste all {{ cite doi/sandbox}} code into the live template. Background: The last edit [6] introduced a bug (brackets were placed wrong). I have corrected it in the {{ cite doi/sandbox}}. Also I removed the useless {{ template other}} that was added (4 times). DePiep ( talk) 10:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm trying to create a citation for 10.1017/S0021853712000473 so I enter {{
cite doi|10.1017/S0021853712000473}}
. All that comes out though is authorformat=
I was expecting something like {{ cite pmid}} where a job is set up that goes and populates the citation, so I don't quite understand the admonitions about formatting. I note that seemingly the internal "/" is converted to "2F" in the subpage name.
Am I doing it right? - is it broken?
John of Cromer in Philippines transit (
talk) mytime= Sun 01:42, wikitime=
00:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
- DePiep ( talk) 10:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Is it going to be fixed as I have several other cites I want to submit?
John of Cromer in Philippines transit (
talk) mytime= Sun 23:09, wikitime=
22:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
OK, except bot doesn't run, so nothing is created. Your talk of sandbox is a red herring,
John of Cromer in Philippines transit (
talk) mytime= Sun 23:58, wikitime=
22:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
{{Cite journal | last1 = Jones | first1 = H. | title = Rethinking Politics in the Colony: The Métis of Senegal and Urban Politics in the Late Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Century | doi = 10.1017/S0021853712000473 | journal = The Journal of African History | volume = 53 | issue = 3 | pages = 325–344 | date = November 2012| location = New York | pmid = | pmc = }}
: →Jones, H. (November 2012). "Rethinking Politics in the Colony: The Métis of Senegal and Urban Politics in the Late Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Century". The Journal of African History. 53 (3). New York: 325–344. doi: 10.1017/S0021853712000473.
? - DePiep ( talk) 23:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link).Does anyone have any idea why the ref (right now #45) in Chloroplast#Thylakoids over near the image shows up as a cite doi= error? Naraht ( talk) 12:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Austin II, Jotham R (2011).
"Three-Dimensional Architecture of Grana and Stroma Thylakoids of Higher Plants as Determined by Electron Tomography". Plant Physiology. 155 (4): 1601–1611 .
doi:
10.1104/pp.110.170647. Retrieved 18 May 2013. {{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help); zero width space character in |pages=
at position 11 (
help)
-- Gadget850 talk 17:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Watt cites DOI 10.2307/3236412, and gets an error that "More than one of |author1= and |last1= specified". -- j⚛e decker talk 20:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
|author1=
when |last1=
was already present.--
Auric
talk
21:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)Hi, I would like to discuss whether something like this [1] would be feasible.
I think it would lead to a clearer look while encouraging some authors to include valuable information (like quotations or sourcing of the funds..ISSN) and even specify what exactly in the section is referenced by the paper (the last sentence, or more, the whole section?). Ok, I enriched this reference rather a bit much to make a clear example.
It should be just optional in case an author thinks, it´s a bit much text in this specific footnote, because it contains quotes, comments and so on.
By the way: In browsers without js it would be displayed expanded.
My technical question is, how to extract everything but quotation (and maybe the doi) for the unexpanded text from the cite doi template (which I did manually as preventative a mock up version in this example). In the expanded version we also would have more space for the seventh.. and so on authors, that are otherwise only referred to as et Al. Further ideas like displaying the issue, volume and page information (only) in the expanded part for articles with a link to the soft copy might be controversial, right?
Looking forward to getting your input,
CONCLUSION From the available data of in vitro and in situ studies, preventive strategies for patients suffering from erosion include dietary advice, stimulation of salivary flow, optimization of fluoride regimens, modification of erosive beverages and adequate oral hygiene measures.Further Comments: This paper is also an important reference for the importance of Flouride as a preventive measure against caries and suggestions for improved soft drinks.
--
Saimondo (
talk)
16:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, a transfer of the 'Cite doi' data sets to commons would be linkable on all other wikipedias. What do you think? What would be necessary for a transfer? Dearest Greetings, -- Ghilt ( talk) 16:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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I propose to add two additional pass-through parameters to {{ cite doi}}:
|author-separator={{template other||{{{author-separator|}}}}} |author-name-separator={{template other||{{{author-name-separator|}}}}}
and an additional "master" van(couver) parameter that in turn sets the following default values for the following parameters:
| authorformat = vanc | author-separator = , | author-name-separator =  
as is done in the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}.
Background: See this and this for previous related discussions. The {{ cite doi}} template is hard wired to render the citations in a way that may not be consistent with previously established citation styles used in Wikipedia articles and therefore often conflicts with WP:CITEVAR. One solution is to substitute cite doi templates in these articles. The requested change will allow some flexibility in the way authors are rendered by {{ cite doi}} and hence will allow compatibility with a wider range of citation styles. In particular, setting the "van = yes" parameter will render the citations in the Vancouver system which is widely used in biomedical and scientific articles and will make the rendered cite doi citations match those produced by the Diberri template filling tool.
Test cases: See {{ Cite doi/testcases}}, using the {{ Cite doi/sandbox}}. See in particular the examples in the Vancouver style section.
Documentation: I have boldly documented these new parameters here. Boghog ( talk) 16:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Related template: I have made analogous changes to {{ cite pmid/sandbox}} and {{ cite pmid/testcases}}. I will hold off on that edit request to first see how this one goes. Boghog ( talk) 19:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
|authorformat=
overrides |van=yes
, which should not happen. Blank parameters should be completely ignored. If van=yes and authorformat is blank or missing, the authors' initials should not have periods after them.| authorformat = |
(completely ignored, equivalent to not including parameter)| authorformat = "" |
(reinitialize parameter to the default blank state) | author-separator=, | author-name-separator =  
". Therefore I think it is very unlikely that an editor would want to set the "van" parameter to "yes" and then disable parts of it.One of the most common additions I make to a standard DOI link is to add url= with a url of where a journal article can be accessed, and format=PDF if it's in PDF format. Many times the DOI link will have a link to a pay-walled version an article's full text, but the article is available free elsewhere on the web (e.g. on an author's university page). Scholar.google.com is pretty good at associating links to free versions that it finds with DOI citations. I can edit a "cite doi" into a "cite journal" to manually add the parameters, but I think it would be nice to add url, format, and possibly accessdate as pass-through parameters. (Accessdate isn't encouraged for unchanging journal articles, but it doesn't have a strictly defined purpose and isn't discouraged either; someone may wish to include it just to indicate when that link was working.)
That would allow a more compact
“cite doi=10.1093/jhered/est073 | url= http://www.landislab.ent.msu.edu/publications/Hamm%20MS%20Natural%20History%202013%20final.pdf | format=PDF”
rather than
“cite journal|last1=Hamm|first1=C. A.|last2=Rademacher|first2=V.|last3=Landis|first3=D. A.|last4=Williams|first4=B. L.|title=Conservation Genetics and the Implication for Recovery of the Endangered Mitchell's Satyr Butterfly, Neonympha mitchellii mitchellii|journal=Journal of Heredity|volume=105|issue=1|year=2013|pages=19–27|issn=0022-1503|doi=10.1093/jhered/est073 | url= http://www.landislab.ent.msu.edu/publications/Hamm%20MS%20Natural%20History%202013%20final.pdf | format=PDF”
-- Agyle ( talk) 07:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
|url=
parameter. That will add it to the cite journal template that cite doi uses. Doing it this way is clean in the original article and allows all articles that transclude that particular cite doi template to see the URL. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
15:46, 29 December 2013 (UTC)Please have a look at the
Resistive random-access memory article – why is {{
Cite doi}} complaining about missing or empty |title=
parameters? —
Dsimic (
talk |
contribs)
09:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Using the Harvard style of referencing, it's frequently necessary to insert a letter after the year to distinguish multiple papers written by the same author within the same year. For example:
{{harvtxt|Bessel|1844a}} *{{Cite journal | ref = harv| last = Bessel | first = F. W. | authorlink = Friedrich Bessel| title = Ueber Veränderlichkeit der eigenen Bewegungen der Fixsterne | language = German| trans_title = Variations of the proper motions of the fixed stars| doi = 10.1002/asna.18450221002 | journal = Astronomische Nachrichten | volume = 22 | issue = 514| pages = 145–160 | year = 1844a| pmid = | pmc = | bibcode = 1844AN.....22..145B}}
displays as
The problem is that for this to work the year=1844a had to be added in the cite doi template. But this is silly! Another article using the same reference will need a different suffix letter or no suffix at all. So how about
cffk ( talk) 02:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite doi}}
template is compatible with what you want to do. You are better off simply copying or substing the content of the template, then adding a letter to the end of the year value. –
Jonesey95 (
talk)
04:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)FYI: {{ Vancite doi}} and {{ Vcite doi}} use {{ Cite doi}} as meta-templates. I don't see they are used anywhere though. -- Gadget850 talk 12:50, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the template Template:cite doi continue to work by pulling the details from a separate subtemplate of which there are approximately 55k in Category:Cite doi templates at the moment? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 08:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Please take part in the discussion at
Template talk:Cite isbn#Is there really a consensus not to use this template? about whether the RfC to deprecate {{cite doi}}
applies to {{
cite isbn}}, and whether recent subst-ing out of {{cite isbn}}
has consensus.
Curly Turkey
¡gobble!
23:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Please keep the discussion to the appropriate location at
Template talk:Cite isbn#Is there really a consensus not to use this template?
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claiming a consensus had already been reached at a discussion that had just been opened– Where did I claim that? All I claimed was
you have not provided any specific examplesand at the time I asked that question, you still had not answered it. You answered it two hours later. Hence your comment was indeed false. Boghog ( talk) 22:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you were opening parallel threads. Please assume some good faith. Boghog ( talk) 06:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
You made a false statement and then accused me of lying about it. That is trolling. Boghog ( talk) 06:12, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please add {{Deprecated template|Cite doi|Cite journal|date=May 2015}} LeadSongDog come howl! 15:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
template. Please request that the related discussions are closed (I see some seem to have consensus and others don't at first glance) and consensus is reached before reopening this request. Thank you. — {{U|
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{{
edit protected}}
template. That closure says: Existing and future DOI details should be included in articles, however, the bot function should remain, with a BRFA raised to change its function to use cite journal within articles without separate subpages. CSD:T3 does not apply, and mass deletion of orphaned citation templates should not occur without further consensus. Some consideration should be given to future automated processing of the data in case there is a future consensus to centralize citations. This is without prejudice toward further UI improvements that may render this discussion moot by providing seamless editing of centralized citations.which only says that only the bot should be changed to use Cite Journal over this template, it says nothing about deprecating this template. —
{{U|
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20:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)As clearly stated here, "there is not clear numerical majority consensus" for deprecating this template. Moreover, most editors oppose the depreciation. As per WP:NOCON, "When actions by administrators are contested and the discussion results in no consensus either for the action or for reverting the action, the action is normally reverted". So, the depreciation should be reverted and the template should not be deprecated, until there is consensus to deprecate it. -- Erel Segal ( talk) 07:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Policies and guidelines should always be applied using reason and common sensewhich is also POLICY. Boghog ( talk) 22:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right. In this case, neutral independent third party (the closer) read the arguments made at WP:MED and concluded they did apply globally. Boghog ( talk) 06:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Following this discussion, Template:cite doi currently operates by searching the doi string against an individual template subpage within Category:Cite doi templates (each of which is simply a hardcoded {{cite journal}} citation). There are currently over 50k doi template subpages (more than 10% out of all templatespace) out of approximately 67 million doi in existence. Each citation is of very low (or no) usage. Should every subtemplate under Template:cite doi be substituted into each page as a cite journal citation? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 05:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Following that, the closer also repeats the "used only once" argument without taking note advantages still present (and mentioned). This too could be in top of an RfC: "Please discuss, but these our habits will be enforced anyhow. After that, we might read use your argument".
As for the "unwatched pages", I feel misrepresented. It looks like this is about "unused" templates (with a strange twist of wording), which could easily be deleted without changing anything to the argument.
Etcetera. - DePiep ( talk) 09:41, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
It appears that {{ sfn}} is broken now to accomodate/enforce the outcome (see helium). (Couldn't find the actual template page edited; anyone knows?).
However, this is inacceptable. After a deprecation, it is up to the handler (could be the closer or a bot or AWB or manual), but blanket-breaking the pages is unacceptable. I request reversal of the break. Noting "deprecated" is enough, then in this case a bot should do the cleanup. - DePiep ( talk) 09:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
In the long term, such citation metatdata should be held in Wikidata, once, and can then be used by any of our projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
The deprecation notice says that the current template is deprecated and that {{cite journal|doi= }} is a replacement. I used this template in several articles, and nothing happpened - the missing details were not completed even after several weeks. See, for instance, fair item assignment. I think this is a good reason to put the deprecation on hold, until there is a sufficiently good replacement. -- Erel Segal ( talk) 07:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)