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When I click links in articles I don't get to the words in the dictionary. -- Bensin ( talk) 15:52, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Why does the example use OED1? Are we supposed to choose between OED1 & OED2, or is OED a valid option? Thanks, -- Geekdiva ( talk) 08:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add a |entry=
parameter to, as it were, disambiguate OED hyperlinks? Sometimes the URL leads to a search results page; e.g. try {{
OED|cotillion}}
. So, for example, {{
OED|cotillion|entry=42429}}
would link to the verb, but still display "cotillion" in read mode.
It Is Me Here
t /
c
15:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
is there a way to indicate a specific definition when a word has multiple definitions? shift, v. and shift, n. have different entry numbers, but shift, v. has many many definitions — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
129.7.106.20 (
talk)
16:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
id=
parameter; seeking shift takes you to a page with options for the verb, noun, and compounds such as "phase shift". Best wishes,
Pol098 (
talk)
14:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)I came across this when I noticed this edit, which replaced OED (on the grounds inaccessible due to subscription required) with much less reliable sources which supported a different pronunciation. The odd thing was that I recalled visiting that source (which I did not add myself) without subscription. It turns out that I had somehow got to ODO instead:
According to OUP on OED vs ODE, ODE is probably the better source in this case anyway and according to this, ODO is simply the online version of the current ODE. So a ref to ODO (which as far as I can tell is freely available) seems ideal.
I'm not sure how I reached ODO last time, maybe I did follow the link "More from Oxford->Oxford Dictionaries").
Anyway ... my concern is to try to reduce the chance that the bad pattern of subscription required -> replace with unreliable alternate online dictionary will be repeated across many articles. My initial thought was to make the old {{
OED}} template name link to ODO as that would probably work well for most cites but that would break cite integrity horribly for any that really did need the OED. My current thought is to add text along the lines of "Consider using {{
Cite ODO}} instead" to the "subscription required" message plus a |canuse-ODO=no
parameter to suppress this part of the message. Obviously the new template would have to be created. I don't like the idea that Reference-OED-xxx would need to be manually changed to Reference-ODO-xxx in some articles, but perhaps that is not a significant problem.
Slightly unrelated, but why does the current template use a custom message rather than |subscription=yes
?
Pinging recent editors @ Matthiaspaul and PBS: Any thoughts? Anyone willing to help with the technical aspects? Is there a better place to put this suggestion?
TuxLibNit ( talk) 18:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
{{
ODNBsub}}
and {{
subscription}}
is in the wording of {{
ODNBsub}}
: Most people in the UK have access to the OED.Why does the "(Subscription or UK public library membership required)" link point to the Oxford Dictionary of NATIONAL BIOGRAPHY, and not the one for English? Can someone fix this please. - SchroCat ( talk) 12:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't live in the UK, and don't have an academic affiliation, so access to the online OED is not realistic. I do have a ("proper printed") copy of the SOED. (Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, 3rd edition) Making a citation manually is extremely cumbersome, so what should I do? Could (or should) we have a Cite SOED template? Imaginatorium ( talk) 16:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Try as I might I can't understand how the ref tag is to be used on a page. Could someone point me towards a working example or provide one? As penance for my lack of understanding I will try to fix the broken ref tags flagged on the template error report once I know how they should be used. Skullcinema ( talk) 11:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
{{harvid|Reference-OED-{{{term|{{{1|}}}}}}
missing a couple of curly braces at the end?
Skullcinema (
talk)
11:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)The template currently produces a citation which reads "Oxford English Dictionary (3rd ed.). Oxford University Press. September 2005". That may have been correct when the online edition was first published, but the current online OED is updated on an as-needed basis, and no edition number nor fixed edition date is now specified. Could the template be updated, please, to output something like this: "Oxford English Dictionary (online). Oxford University Press. Retrieved 26 March 2020". Many thanks. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 18:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Martin of Sheffield: Wondering if this is something you might be able to look at? MichaelMaggs ( talk) 18:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Hairy Dude: I saw that you just edited the template. Would you be able to look at this? MichaelMaggs ( talk) 18:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
The access-date field is automatically populated with {{SUBST:Date}} in the visual editor. When I use this in a citation, it fails to convert. The exact process in this edit was cite > basic form > enter {{Cite OED}}. Dunno if it works outside of the citation, but that must be a rare usage. — Michael Z. 00:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
There needs to be a means of identifying the particular meaning being referenced. Some entries have a large number of meanings and the user may not be sure which one is being pointed to by the template. The "horse" entry, for instance, lists 23 numbered meanings (not including lettered sub-meanings and compounds). This is causing me a problem on
Flogging a dead horse page where I want to refer to two different meanings lines. Sometimes, as in this case, the meanings are grouped into higher levels with roman numerals. So, for instance the constellation Pegasus sub-meaning would be meaning=I:2b
.
Spinning
Spark
14:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
{{
cite OED}}
is merely a wrapper template around {{
cite dictionary}}
which is a redirect to {{
cite encyclopedia}}
. Using the cs1|2 parameters available to {{
cite encyclopedia}}
, write a {{cite OED}}
template that approximates what |meaning=
would do; for example, the template might use |meaning=
to fill |at=
:
{{cite OED |entry=horse |meaning=I:2b}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: |url-access=
requires |url=
(
help) (Subscription or
participating institution membership required.)|meaning=
onto |entry=
:
{{cite OED |entry=horse |meaning=I:2b}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: |url-access=
requires |url=
(
help) (Subscription or
participating institution membership required.)I tried to use this template on geoduck; nevertheless if I use it I get:
"geoduck". Oxford English Dictionary (Online ed.). Oxford University Press. (Subscription or participating institution membership required.)
Note that Wikipedia library doesn't give me the access to the OED; whereas if I link directy to the page
it works. How could be fixed it? Thanks in advance.-- Carnby ( talk) 16:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
|id=
parameter as suggested in the template's documentation? Like this:{{Cite OED|geoduck|id=77740}}
→
"geoduck".
Oxford English Dictionary (Online ed.).
Oxford University Press. (Subscription or
participating institution membership required.)The OED Web site changed radically a while ago; either I have missed something, or this template has become less useful. The id=
parameter does not seem to work, generating a 404 error in references [later correction: old references with ID work, but numbers sometimes displayed in URLs such as "tab=factsheet#22890905", and DOI codes, are not IDs, and IDs are not available]. Seeking, for example, "shift" goes to a page with subpages for many meanings, verb, noun, and phrases such as "phase shift". The OED Web page for the verb suggests the reference (click on "Cite" at top left) “shift, v.”. Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford University Press, April 2023, <
https://doi.org/10.1093/OED/1081218589>. ID numbers work if you have them (so existing uses of {{
Cite OED}} work), but I don't (yet) know how to find them; for example
https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/61863 works, but is redirected to
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/end_n. For words with multiple meaning for the same part of speech (e.g. several nouns), URLs like
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/sook_n2 work, but
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/sook_n does not. Other examples: "slide" leads to URLs ending in "slide_combform", "slid_adj1".
The problem would be solved if there is a way to find the entry IDs that have been dropped.
An advantage of the new site for users is that basic information on a word is available without logging in.
Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 14:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
id=
parameter to take 3 types of value:
url=
parameter (either id=
or url=
, not both). Any of the URL formats above could be supplied by the user.shift_v
. We should encourage using the DOIs by all means, so as to avoid this exact situation in the future.
Nardog (
talk)
16:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
id=sook_n2
? Maybe the OED people should be asked: how likely is it that the id=sook_n2
will be maintained for a long time; how stable are the DOIs; is there a way in which people can still easily find the old IDs? I am throwing off all suggestions I can think of at this stage (brainstorming), not trying to push for any.
Pol098 (
talk)
16:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)id=
parameter (if <=9, >9), or to add, say, doi_number=1081218589
or doi=10.1093/OED/1081218589
(will all DOIs reliably start with 10.1093/OED/? Maybe ask OED). It seems to me that the whole DOI is the way to go.
Pol098 (
talk)
17:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
id
.will all DOIs reliably start with 10.1093/OED/?Yes. As explained in Digital object identifier#Nomenclature and syntax, 10.1093 is the prefix for OUP as the registrant. Nardog ( talk) 19:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I see it's all done and documented. That was quick! Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 15:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
The template adds "Subscription or participating institution membership required" to the citation. Since the change this year, basic information is available without login; logging in gives more. Perhaps change the text to something like "Basic information; subscription or participating institution membership required for full details"? This is fairly important, as non-OED-subscribers are otherwise discouraged from clicking the link. Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 12:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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When I click links in articles I don't get to the words in the dictionary. -- Bensin ( talk) 15:52, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Why does the example use OED1? Are we supposed to choose between OED1 & OED2, or is OED a valid option? Thanks, -- Geekdiva ( talk) 08:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add a |entry=
parameter to, as it were, disambiguate OED hyperlinks? Sometimes the URL leads to a search results page; e.g. try {{
OED|cotillion}}
. So, for example, {{
OED|cotillion|entry=42429}}
would link to the verb, but still display "cotillion" in read mode.
It Is Me Here
t /
c
15:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
is there a way to indicate a specific definition when a word has multiple definitions? shift, v. and shift, n. have different entry numbers, but shift, v. has many many definitions — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
129.7.106.20 (
talk)
16:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
id=
parameter; seeking shift takes you to a page with options for the verb, noun, and compounds such as "phase shift". Best wishes,
Pol098 (
talk)
14:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)I came across this when I noticed this edit, which replaced OED (on the grounds inaccessible due to subscription required) with much less reliable sources which supported a different pronunciation. The odd thing was that I recalled visiting that source (which I did not add myself) without subscription. It turns out that I had somehow got to ODO instead:
According to OUP on OED vs ODE, ODE is probably the better source in this case anyway and according to this, ODO is simply the online version of the current ODE. So a ref to ODO (which as far as I can tell is freely available) seems ideal.
I'm not sure how I reached ODO last time, maybe I did follow the link "More from Oxford->Oxford Dictionaries").
Anyway ... my concern is to try to reduce the chance that the bad pattern of subscription required -> replace with unreliable alternate online dictionary will be repeated across many articles. My initial thought was to make the old {{
OED}} template name link to ODO as that would probably work well for most cites but that would break cite integrity horribly for any that really did need the OED. My current thought is to add text along the lines of "Consider using {{
Cite ODO}} instead" to the "subscription required" message plus a |canuse-ODO=no
parameter to suppress this part of the message. Obviously the new template would have to be created. I don't like the idea that Reference-OED-xxx would need to be manually changed to Reference-ODO-xxx in some articles, but perhaps that is not a significant problem.
Slightly unrelated, but why does the current template use a custom message rather than |subscription=yes
?
Pinging recent editors @ Matthiaspaul and PBS: Any thoughts? Anyone willing to help with the technical aspects? Is there a better place to put this suggestion?
TuxLibNit ( talk) 18:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
{{
ODNBsub}}
and {{
subscription}}
is in the wording of {{
ODNBsub}}
: Most people in the UK have access to the OED.Why does the "(Subscription or UK public library membership required)" link point to the Oxford Dictionary of NATIONAL BIOGRAPHY, and not the one for English? Can someone fix this please. - SchroCat ( talk) 12:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't live in the UK, and don't have an academic affiliation, so access to the online OED is not realistic. I do have a ("proper printed") copy of the SOED. (Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, 3rd edition) Making a citation manually is extremely cumbersome, so what should I do? Could (or should) we have a Cite SOED template? Imaginatorium ( talk) 16:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Try as I might I can't understand how the ref tag is to be used on a page. Could someone point me towards a working example or provide one? As penance for my lack of understanding I will try to fix the broken ref tags flagged on the template error report once I know how they should be used. Skullcinema ( talk) 11:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
{{harvid|Reference-OED-{{{term|{{{1|}}}}}}
missing a couple of curly braces at the end?
Skullcinema (
talk)
11:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)The template currently produces a citation which reads "Oxford English Dictionary (3rd ed.). Oxford University Press. September 2005". That may have been correct when the online edition was first published, but the current online OED is updated on an as-needed basis, and no edition number nor fixed edition date is now specified. Could the template be updated, please, to output something like this: "Oxford English Dictionary (online). Oxford University Press. Retrieved 26 March 2020". Many thanks. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 18:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Martin of Sheffield: Wondering if this is something you might be able to look at? MichaelMaggs ( talk) 18:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Hairy Dude: I saw that you just edited the template. Would you be able to look at this? MichaelMaggs ( talk) 18:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
The access-date field is automatically populated with {{SUBST:Date}} in the visual editor. When I use this in a citation, it fails to convert. The exact process in this edit was cite > basic form > enter {{Cite OED}}. Dunno if it works outside of the citation, but that must be a rare usage. — Michael Z. 00:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
There needs to be a means of identifying the particular meaning being referenced. Some entries have a large number of meanings and the user may not be sure which one is being pointed to by the template. The "horse" entry, for instance, lists 23 numbered meanings (not including lettered sub-meanings and compounds). This is causing me a problem on
Flogging a dead horse page where I want to refer to two different meanings lines. Sometimes, as in this case, the meanings are grouped into higher levels with roman numerals. So, for instance the constellation Pegasus sub-meaning would be meaning=I:2b
.
Spinning
Spark
14:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
{{
cite OED}}
is merely a wrapper template around {{
cite dictionary}}
which is a redirect to {{
cite encyclopedia}}
. Using the cs1|2 parameters available to {{
cite encyclopedia}}
, write a {{cite OED}}
template that approximates what |meaning=
would do; for example, the template might use |meaning=
to fill |at=
:
{{cite OED |entry=horse |meaning=I:2b}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: |url-access=
requires |url=
(
help) (Subscription or
participating institution membership required.)|meaning=
onto |entry=
:
{{cite OED |entry=horse |meaning=I:2b}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: |url-access=
requires |url=
(
help) (Subscription or
participating institution membership required.)I tried to use this template on geoduck; nevertheless if I use it I get:
"geoduck". Oxford English Dictionary (Online ed.). Oxford University Press. (Subscription or participating institution membership required.)
Note that Wikipedia library doesn't give me the access to the OED; whereas if I link directy to the page
it works. How could be fixed it? Thanks in advance.-- Carnby ( talk) 16:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
|id=
parameter as suggested in the template's documentation? Like this:{{Cite OED|geoduck|id=77740}}
→
"geoduck".
Oxford English Dictionary (Online ed.).
Oxford University Press. (Subscription or
participating institution membership required.)The OED Web site changed radically a while ago; either I have missed something, or this template has become less useful. The id=
parameter does not seem to work, generating a 404 error in references [later correction: old references with ID work, but numbers sometimes displayed in URLs such as "tab=factsheet#22890905", and DOI codes, are not IDs, and IDs are not available]. Seeking, for example, "shift" goes to a page with subpages for many meanings, verb, noun, and phrases such as "phase shift". The OED Web page for the verb suggests the reference (click on "Cite" at top left) “shift, v.”. Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford University Press, April 2023, <
https://doi.org/10.1093/OED/1081218589>. ID numbers work if you have them (so existing uses of {{
Cite OED}} work), but I don't (yet) know how to find them; for example
https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/61863 works, but is redirected to
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/end_n. For words with multiple meaning for the same part of speech (e.g. several nouns), URLs like
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/sook_n2 work, but
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/sook_n does not. Other examples: "slide" leads to URLs ending in "slide_combform", "slid_adj1".
The problem would be solved if there is a way to find the entry IDs that have been dropped.
An advantage of the new site for users is that basic information on a word is available without logging in.
Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 14:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
id=
parameter to take 3 types of value:
url=
parameter (either id=
or url=
, not both). Any of the URL formats above could be supplied by the user.shift_v
. We should encourage using the DOIs by all means, so as to avoid this exact situation in the future.
Nardog (
talk)
16:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
id=sook_n2
? Maybe the OED people should be asked: how likely is it that the id=sook_n2
will be maintained for a long time; how stable are the DOIs; is there a way in which people can still easily find the old IDs? I am throwing off all suggestions I can think of at this stage (brainstorming), not trying to push for any.
Pol098 (
talk)
16:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)id=
parameter (if <=9, >9), or to add, say, doi_number=1081218589
or doi=10.1093/OED/1081218589
(will all DOIs reliably start with 10.1093/OED/? Maybe ask OED). It seems to me that the whole DOI is the way to go.
Pol098 (
talk)
17:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
id
.will all DOIs reliably start with 10.1093/OED/?Yes. As explained in Digital object identifier#Nomenclature and syntax, 10.1093 is the prefix for OUP as the registrant. Nardog ( talk) 19:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I see it's all done and documented. That was quick! Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 15:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
The template adds "Subscription or participating institution membership required" to the citation. Since the change this year, basic information is available without login; logging in gives more. Perhaps change the text to something like "Basic information; subscription or participating institution membership required for full details"? This is fairly important, as non-OED-subscribers are otherwise discouraged from clicking the link. Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 12:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)