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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donald_Charlton_Bradley&type=revision&diff=1006255040&oldid=997969563 AManWithNoPlan ( talk) 22:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
|id=
should be deprecated and removed. I have created
Category:Pages using cite ODNB with id parameter and tweaked the template to fill that category.|id=
we should try to get the template fixed, if this is feasible.
Verbcatcher (
talk) 01:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
|id=
to |doi=
be viewed as a good thing?
AManWithNoPlan (
talk) 17:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
|id=
can cause a problem – can we establish that all five-digit ids will work? If |id=
or |doi=
is specified then |url=
should not be specified, as this results in duplicate links.
Verbcatcher (
talk) 17:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)|doi=
as published on the article's page is best. I think this because ODNB doesn't publish the doi that we have derived from a (vaguely defined) small portion of a url. We all know that urls can change at the site-owner's whim. ODNB does publish a doi on each of their article pages so that is the doi we should be using.{{
cite ODNB}}
uses |id=
of six digits. I tested the twenty that landed on the first page of results when I did the search (the order of your results may be different because of the vagaries of cirrus search). All of the six-digit ids that I tested worked.1010
. The couple that I tested did not work.1010
or 10100
prepended to the true ID. I have fixed these three and the template works ok. I guess either the ONDB website changed or the Wikipedia editor made a mistake and failed to check. I am reluctant to support mass changes as this makes more work for editors who watch their watchlists – I seem to spend hours checking modified pages whose only changes have been made by Monkbot or Citation bot.
Verbcatcher (
talk) 19:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Recent ODNB entries nomally have a named author. It would be good to add first and lastname parameters so that we can give proper attribution where it's due. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 09:34, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
.|authorn=
, |lastn=
, |firstn=
, etc do not work with {{
cite ODNB}}
?The documentation states "Several parameters have pre-set defaults (but may be overridden)", but does not give any information on how to override, for example, the automatic link to Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Could some let me now a. how to do this; and b. add this to the documentation so others can also do it. Many thanks - SchroCat ( talk) 09:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
The documentation was wrong about overriding.Evidence to support that claim? Every parameter preset by this template should be overridable. If there are any that cannot be overridden, that should be fixed, not the documentation.
|encyclopedia=[[Dictionary of National Biography#Oxford Dictionary of National Biography|Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]] |edition=online |publisher=Oxford University Press
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The template is invoked on
Template:Cite ODNB itself with a harmless but unsightly warning about a missing title parameter. With <includeonly>
inserted at the code start and </includeonly>
before the <noinclude>
, the warning should go away (similar to the code for
Template:Cite OED). The full text of the template should read:
<includeonly>{{#invoke:template wrapper|{{#if:{{{_debug|}}}|list|wrap}}|_template=cite encyclopedia
|_exclude=freearticle, id, _debug
|_alias-map=accessdate:access-date,authorlink:author-link,origyear:orig-date
|encyclopedia=[[Dictionary of National Biography#Oxford Dictionary of National Biography|Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]]
|edition=online
|publisher=Oxford University Press
|doi={{#if:{{{id|}}}|10.1093/ref:odnb/{{{id|}}}}}
|doi-access={{#if:{{{doi|}}}{{{id|}}}|{{#if:{{{freearticle|}}}|free}}}}
|url-access={{#if:{{{url|}}}|{{#if:{{{freearticle|}}}||subscription}}}}
}}{{#if:{{{freearticle|}}}| | {{ODNBsub|sentence=yes}}}}<!--
-->{{main other|[[Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the ODNB]]}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{both|{{{id|}}}|{{{doi|}}}}}|[[Category:Pages using cite ODNB with both doi and id parameters]]|<!-- id with doi
--> {{#if:{{{id|}}}|[[Category:Pages using cite ODNB with id parameter]]}}}}<!-- id without doi
--></includeonly><noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>
73.37.211.177 ( talk) 06:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
{{Cite ODNB|title={{{title}}}}}
added to the noinclude
section to still show an indication of the output per MSGJ.
SilverLocust
💬 13:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
In the process of building out
Free and Candid Disquisitions, I found that date=
does not work. It is present in
Template:Cite encyclopedia, so I figured that it was at least at some point functional on this template. There appears to have been discussion on the ODNB template back in 2011 on this parameter, but I don't quite understand the content of that technical discussion. Is there a way to insert a date of publication for a particular entry from the ODNB? ~
Pbritti (
talk) 17:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
does not work? Here is an example from the template's doc page to which I have added
|date=2024
(a bogus date):
{{Cite ODNB|doi=10.1093/ref:odnb/29986|title=Worsley, Sir Richard |date=2024}}
|date=
does work.date=2005
renders "(2005)" but, as visible in the preview window, also introduces some sort of issue resulting in the following notice displayed at the top of the page:
|date=2005
:
{{cite ODNB|doi=10.1093/ref:odnb/93823|title=Feathers tavern petitioners|first=Grayson M.|last=Ditchfield|edition=online|date=2005|ref={{harvid|Ditchfield|2005}}}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (
link) (Subscription or
UK public library membership required.)|ref=
(a CITEREF
anchor id) is the same as the CITEREF
anchor id that
Module:Citation/CS1 created from |last=Ditchfield
and |date=2005
so |ref=
is redundant and should be removed.Dictionary of National Biography | ||||
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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donald_Charlton_Bradley&type=revision&diff=1006255040&oldid=997969563 AManWithNoPlan ( talk) 22:10, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
|id=
should be deprecated and removed. I have created
Category:Pages using cite ODNB with id parameter and tweaked the template to fill that category.|id=
we should try to get the template fixed, if this is feasible.
Verbcatcher (
talk) 01:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
|id=
to |doi=
be viewed as a good thing?
AManWithNoPlan (
talk) 17:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
|id=
can cause a problem – can we establish that all five-digit ids will work? If |id=
or |doi=
is specified then |url=
should not be specified, as this results in duplicate links.
Verbcatcher (
talk) 17:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)|doi=
as published on the article's page is best. I think this because ODNB doesn't publish the doi that we have derived from a (vaguely defined) small portion of a url. We all know that urls can change at the site-owner's whim. ODNB does publish a doi on each of their article pages so that is the doi we should be using.{{
cite ODNB}}
uses |id=
of six digits. I tested the twenty that landed on the first page of results when I did the search (the order of your results may be different because of the vagaries of cirrus search). All of the six-digit ids that I tested worked.1010
. The couple that I tested did not work.1010
or 10100
prepended to the true ID. I have fixed these three and the template works ok. I guess either the ONDB website changed or the Wikipedia editor made a mistake and failed to check. I am reluctant to support mass changes as this makes more work for editors who watch their watchlists – I seem to spend hours checking modified pages whose only changes have been made by Monkbot or Citation bot.
Verbcatcher (
talk) 19:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Recent ODNB entries nomally have a named author. It would be good to add first and lastname parameters so that we can give proper attribution where it's due. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 09:34, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
.|authorn=
, |lastn=
, |firstn=
, etc do not work with {{
cite ODNB}}
?The documentation states "Several parameters have pre-set defaults (but may be overridden)", but does not give any information on how to override, for example, the automatic link to Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Could some let me now a. how to do this; and b. add this to the documentation so others can also do it. Many thanks - SchroCat ( talk) 09:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
The documentation was wrong about overriding.Evidence to support that claim? Every parameter preset by this template should be overridable. If there are any that cannot be overridden, that should be fixed, not the documentation.
|encyclopedia=[[Dictionary of National Biography#Oxford Dictionary of National Biography|Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]] |edition=online |publisher=Oxford University Press
![]() | This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The template is invoked on
Template:Cite ODNB itself with a harmless but unsightly warning about a missing title parameter. With <includeonly>
inserted at the code start and </includeonly>
before the <noinclude>
, the warning should go away (similar to the code for
Template:Cite OED). The full text of the template should read:
<includeonly>{{#invoke:template wrapper|{{#if:{{{_debug|}}}|list|wrap}}|_template=cite encyclopedia
|_exclude=freearticle, id, _debug
|_alias-map=accessdate:access-date,authorlink:author-link,origyear:orig-date
|encyclopedia=[[Dictionary of National Biography#Oxford Dictionary of National Biography|Oxford Dictionary of National Biography]]
|edition=online
|publisher=Oxford University Press
|doi={{#if:{{{id|}}}|10.1093/ref:odnb/{{{id|}}}}}
|doi-access={{#if:{{{doi|}}}{{{id|}}}|{{#if:{{{freearticle|}}}|free}}}}
|url-access={{#if:{{{url|}}}|{{#if:{{{freearticle|}}}||subscription}}}}
}}{{#if:{{{freearticle|}}}| | {{ODNBsub|sentence=yes}}}}<!--
-->{{main other|[[Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the ODNB]]}}<!--
-->{{#if:{{both|{{{id|}}}|{{{doi|}}}}}|[[Category:Pages using cite ODNB with both doi and id parameters]]|<!-- id with doi
--> {{#if:{{{id|}}}|[[Category:Pages using cite ODNB with id parameter]]}}}}<!-- id without doi
--></includeonly><noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>
73.37.211.177 ( talk) 06:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
{{Cite ODNB|title={{{title}}}}}
added to the noinclude
section to still show an indication of the output per MSGJ.
SilverLocust
💬 13:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
In the process of building out
Free and Candid Disquisitions, I found that date=
does not work. It is present in
Template:Cite encyclopedia, so I figured that it was at least at some point functional on this template. There appears to have been discussion on the ODNB template back in 2011 on this parameter, but I don't quite understand the content of that technical discussion. Is there a way to insert a date of publication for a particular entry from the ODNB? ~
Pbritti (
talk) 17:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
does not work? Here is an example from the template's doc page to which I have added
|date=2024
(a bogus date):
{{Cite ODNB|doi=10.1093/ref:odnb/29986|title=Worsley, Sir Richard |date=2024}}
|date=
does work.date=2005
renders "(2005)" but, as visible in the preview window, also introduces some sort of issue resulting in the following notice displayed at the top of the page:
|date=2005
:
{{cite ODNB|doi=10.1093/ref:odnb/93823|title=Feathers tavern petitioners|first=Grayson M.|last=Ditchfield|edition=online|date=2005|ref={{harvid|Ditchfield|2005}}}}
{{
cite encyclopedia}}
: CS1 maint: ref duplicates default (
link) (Subscription or
UK public library membership required.)|ref=
(a CITEREF
anchor id) is the same as the CITEREF
anchor id that
Module:Citation/CS1 created from |last=Ditchfield
and |date=2005
so |ref=
is redundant and should be removed.