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This is a follow up of this discussion. After learning in that discussion the past reasons for why the template is as it currently is, I was advised to make my request into a more formal discussion.
So my proposal is as follows:
Wanting to keep this section as short as possible, the reasons for everything proposed above can be found on the discussion that is linked in the header.
Feel free to propose changes to details as needed. The main part of the proposal for me is to go from many subtemplates to one or a few modules. - Klein Muçi ( talk) 08:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
|NFPA-X=
parameters be dispersed?); a bot can order the arguments; one can use <!-- grouping comments -->
(as documentation in blank parameter lists already
does); and more editing support can be thought of.|Section7={{Chembox Explosives| para1=... |para2=...| }}
. And conversely, all parameters require being used in a certain Section Subtemplate. Also, the "first" in your statement "syntax design must be tackled first" I disagree on. This discussion is first and foremost to get rid of the 2018 prohibition of Luafication beforehand. As long as people keep opposing this beforehand, syntax design is useless. -
DePiep (
talk)
08:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
|NFPA-X=
that somehow cannot find |NFPA-X=
any more? It is amateuristic and bad design to enforce some grouping by introducing requirements. -
DePiep (
talk)
20:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
accusing Beetstra of vandalism" by Johnuniq [3]. Since Johnuniq has not responded to my reply [4], has not redacted or crossed out their accusation, I restate: the accusation is false, BF and a PA. As it stands, it disrupts the discussion into uselessness [5]. I note that Johnuniq has not argued on content after this contribution. Anyway one cannot expect from a smeared editor to discuss along as if nothing happened. That is the effect of BF accusation, and by maintaining their accusation Johnuniq is responsible for anylack of quality.
This example is disingenuous and rediculous. Also:
This shows how a vandal would leave it behind. Also, the rest of that post was aimed at critique of the example (reads still to the point I note).
shows that parameters must be in sections—a long list of anything-goes would be impossible to maintain("shows", "must" and "impossible"). Quite tough assumptions. 3. Then Beetstra continues
I share the above concern from Johnuniq[7], which is actually a circular support of Beetra's own point based on an eh sub-optimal demo.
|RPhrases, SPhrases, RSPhrases, EUClass=
have been fully removed from usage. They have been replaced by modern {{
GHS phrases}}, usually with a source check. For example
[8],
[9]. Tracking:
Category:Chembox having DSD data (0).{{
Hazchem F|12px}}
images are unused & deleted? -
DePiep (
talk)
17:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Supplementary data page | |
---|---|
Refractive index (n), Dielectric constant (εr), etc. | |
Thermodynamic
data |
Phase behaviour solid–liquid–gas |
UV, IR, NMR, MS |
Some 150 chemical articles have a data page, with name pattern: Ammonia → Ammonia (data page). When such a page exists, {{Chembox}} automatically adds section "Supplementary data page". Demo-1 is the Supplementary section for Ammonia/Ammonia (data page).
Background:
Category:Chemical articles having a data page (129). A non-default data page name can be added by parameter: article
1-Propanol has |data page pagename=Propan-1-ol (data page)
, here too the Supplmentary section is added, as expected.
Ammonia (data page) [Supplementary data page] | |
---|---|
Ammonia (data page)#Structure and properties [Structure and
properties] |
Refractive index (n), Dielectric constant (εr), etc. |
Thermodynamic
data |
Ammonia (data page)#Thermodynamic properties [Phase behaviour] solid–liquid–gas |
Ammonia (data page)#Spectral data [Spectral data]
|
UV/VIS spectroscopy [UV], Infrared spectroscopy [IR], NMR spectroscopy [NMR], Mass spectrometry [MS] |
The problem is that the section does not add any info or data to the infobox, only wikilinks. Apart from the section header link to the data page, there are three wikilinks to data page #sections (see demo-2, the links made explicit). There is no check or guarantee that these #section targets are present or maintained in the data page. Also, there are six wikilinks to topics (straight articles). So, no Ammonia info is provided at all.
Supplementary data page | |
---|---|
Ammonia (data page) |
I propose to remove all rows. What remains is a link to the data page, explicit—not hidden in the section title. Apart from this update from /sandbox, no changes are needed in Chembox or articles. Data pages an sich (existence, usage) are not in discussion here.
Hazards | |
---|---|
Safety data sheet | See:
data page [+some external page link] |
GHS labelling: | |
Warning |
|ExternalSDS=
is available (ca. 1000 uses). -
DePiep (
talk)
07:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Several of the data pages contain very little additional information. In my view it would be best to delete those and to add any relevant information to an appropriate section of the article. -- Leyo 14:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Chembox has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
|EUClass, RPhrases, SPhrases=
are deprecated, abandoned and superfuous. Same for their subtemplates (including tracking/warning subtemplate {{
Chembox DSD/warning note 2017 DSD-GHS}}).![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Chembox has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
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Template:Chembox has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Changes pertain to {{Chembox Supplement}}: show link to "Article (data page)". Example: Ammonia <==> Ammonia (data page).
|data page name=none
, will suppress this automated showing of the data page link.|data page name=<blank>
(ie, the parameter exists), then the data page link did not show. Fixed: now it does.New: template {{ Chembox Datapage check}} is created to simplify pagename & exists steps (internal technical use only).
Tests & demo: see /testcases11. This testpage has data page Template:Chembox/testcases11 (data page).
DePiep ( talk) 15:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
After 2 current discussions ( Lua rewrite and Convert Chembox into Lua module) and some other discussions in the past years (they're mentioned in the discussions above and are part of the the archives) this is the first formal RfC that is being opened on the subject.
My proposal:
The subject has been locally discussed some times but usually it has failed to acquire a large number of users involved so now we're trying the RfC way. - Klein Muçi ( talk) 11:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
|Section2={{
Chembox Hazards|paraHaz1=...|paraHaz2=...}} |Section3={{Chembox Explosive|...}}
or shall we have a single template, with parameters working template-wide. -
DePiep (
talk)
19:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)|Section3={{Chembox Hazards|...}}
structure. You are requiring that editors, all infobox editors, must edit in a multilayered editbox (with the complicated subtemplates) and that templateeditors like me must maintain suboptimal code. On top of this you are preventing reuse of parameters throughout the template (for example, existing substance indexes in Identifiers cannot be reused eg for those substances melting points or images). Also, I request that you redact / remove your accusation "disruptive"; opposing your point is not that. I strongly suggest that you stop using BF accusations. -
DePiep (
talk)
10:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
|SectionX=
modular structure is explicitly abandoned by design & intention (ie, no subsection templates/modules, single-template, all parameters template-wide). -
DePiep (
talk)
12:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)class="infobox"
, and is used throughout as an infobox (for example, positioning in articles).Infobox chemical2
Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 1879.025 1 -total 84.84% 1594.131 3 Template:Chembox 27.71% 520.675 3 Template:Chembox_Identifiers 25.10% 471.558 3 Template:Chembox_Properties 17.09% 321.190 61 Template:Trim 16.29% 306.117 19 Template:Chembox_headerbar 13.85% 260.191 3 Template:Chembox_Hazards 10.18% 191.306 45 Template:Unbulleted_list 6.11% 114.828 6 Template:Cite_web 5.75% 108.135 3 Template:Chembox_Elements
Note:: The {{
chembox}}es invocations from the said articles were placed into the sandbox and tested. The time report was take from html source code page.
--
AXONOV
(talk)
⚑ 16:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
… If you think Lua … an excluding factor in itself …One will have to learn lua in order to update the template. It's a significant factor regardless of whether Lua is hard or not. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 14:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
…I use it to mean translation and copy-pasting (import)…This can be easily done by using built-in mediawiki functionality Special:Export/ Special:Import (google for details). You can export entire list of subtemplates, translate them, and import into the local wiki (administrator privileges will likely be required) by few clicks. Why not to use it instead of lua? All the hardwork can be easily done. I will provide the list of sub-templates below (it may be incomplete). Hope it helps. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 17:34, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
List of templates to export/import
|
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Template:Chembox 3DMetl Template:Chembox 3DMet/format Template:Chembox AllOtherNames Template:Chembox AllOtherNames/format Template:Chembox CASNo Template:Chembox CASNo/format Template:Chembox CalcTemperatures Template:Chembox CalcTemperatures/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox ChEBI Template:Chembox ChEBI/format Template:Chembox ChEMBL Template:Chembox ChEMBL/format Template:Chembox ChemSpiderID Template:Chembox ChemSpiderID/format Template:Chembox CompTox Template:Chembox CompTox/format Template:Chembox DrugBank Template:Chembox DrugBank/format Template:Chembox ECNumber Template:Chembox ECNumber/format Template:Chembox Explosive/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Footer Template:Chembox Footer/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Footer/tracking Template:Chembox Footer/tracking/messagebox test (edit) (semi-protected) Template:Chembox Hazards/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox IUPHAR ligand Template:Chembox IUPHAR ligand/format Template:Chembox Identifiers Template:Chembox Identifiers/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Indexlist Template:Chembox Indexlist/format (edit) Template:Chembox Jmol Template:Chembox Jmol/format Template:Chembox KEGG Template:Chembox KEGG/format Template:Chembox Pharmacology/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Properties/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox PubChem Template:Chembox PubChem/format Template:Chembox RTECS Template:Chembox RTECS/format Template:Chembox Related/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Structure/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Supplement/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Thermochemistry/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox UNII Template:Chembox UNII/format Template:Chembox headerbar Template:Chembox image Template:Chembox image cell Template:Chembox image sbs Template:Chembox image sbs cell Template:Chembox templatePar/formatPreviewMessage |
I propose to remove the Section subtemplate structure from {{
Chembox}}.
That is, to remove current |Section2={{Chembox Identifiers|...}}
setup, also called modular setup. The change will effect article-side (editbox, for all article editors), and template maintenance (backoffice). The change is also called "flattening" (=reduce the template depth).
While this change could be made in current building-table-by-wikitext-parsing (in theory at least), the viable route is Luafication of the infobox.
|Name= |ImageFile=
), {{Chembox}} Sections are to be entered as subtemplates. Each Section subtemplate, handles its own header and parameters (formatting, presenting); a 'child' template in the outer {{Chembox}} table.{{Chembox
| Name =
| ImageFile1 =
| ... <!-- Chembox (top) parameters -->
| Section1 = {{Chembox Identifiers
| index_label = A
| index2_label = B
| index_comment = A-substance
| index2_comment = B-substance
| CASNo =
| CASNo2 =
| ChEBI =
| ChEBI2 =
| ChEMBL =
| ChEMBL2 =
| ... <!-- more Indentifiers parameters -->
}}
| Section2 = {{Chembox Properties
| MeltingPtC =
| BoilingPtC =
| ... <!-- more Properties parameters -->
}}
}}
The numbering in |CASNo= |CASNo2=
is called indexing, and allows to enter & distinguish multiple substance identifiers.
The possible issues arising from using parsing wikitext templates (instead of a lua module), by itself, are discarded here. The issues are in design & usage. That said, we assume any solution will be made through Lua, not in parsed templates.
|qid=|qid1=|qid2=|qid3=
for the indexed distinct compounds, would allow to call Wikidata values (like |E number=, ECHA InfoCard ID=, DTXSID=
already done for page-QID), and other compound values to show or to compare (say, use or compare melting point per indexed compound).|SectionX=
structure. All edits must retain the |Section2={{Chembox Identifiers|...}}
code setup. Also, when adding a Section, this structure is required. That is: this is before any content edit to the parameters is made. (
this maintenance category has shown many such errors over the years
[10]
[11]).I propose, and strongly suggest, that the transition be made as an explicit conclusion of § RfC on making chembox an infobox.
|ImageFile1=
vs |index_label=
is not a good design. --
Gonnym (
talk)
12:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)|CASNo3_ref=
→ {"casrn", index, "ref"}, asap after reading. Processing, ordering, wd, i18n then is just matter of bookkeeping ;-) Hope it doesn't get too boring... -
DePiep (
talk)
21:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Hazard
" (EyeHazard, ...) for actual usage).I propose to group & rephrase the five
Occupational safety and health (OHS/OSH) hazards. Added new |GHS_ref=
. Apart from the Main hazards (1300), the minor ones won't exceed 30 articles.
A demo is at Template:Chembox/testcases (set) § OHS set (new). Mention OHS/OSH equally? Any comments? @ Leyo and Graeme Bartlett: - DePiep ( talk) 19:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't think such a section is needed in the box. GHS is sufficient and more information may be provided in the text. -- Leyo 21:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Now that the sandbox is free to test&demo, I reopen my proposal to
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Template:Chembox Hazards has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please copy all code from {{ Chembox Hazards/sandbox}} into {{ Chembox Hazards}} ( diff).
|OHS_ref=
, {{
Chembox OHS (set)}}; Tests: See
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Please copy all code from {{ Chembox Hazards/sandbox}} into {{ Chembox Hazards}} ( diff).
|FlashPt=
must start at newline.The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caffeine (data page) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
DePiep ( talk) 14:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
By default the title of the chembox is the name of the article (as in Magnesium chloride), however I've just realized it doesn't always shows and has to be entered manually (as in Lithium aluminium hydride, old version where the title wasn't manually added [13]), is it a known bug?
Regards, -- Aariuser ( talk) 13:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
|Name=<blank>
(so, Name (=overwrite title) parameter is present & empty). Will take a look for the solution. -
DePiep (
talk)
13:48, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Chembox has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace all code in {{ Chembox}} with all {{ Chembox/sandbox}} code ( diff).
Change: bugfix, |Name=<blank>
would hide {{PAGENAME}} (infobox has no title) . Changed if-logic.
Test: see Template:Chembox/testcases4 § Name. DePiep ( talk) 14:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello - I notice that the new version of the Chembox no longer includes links in the CAS Registry numbers. These are used as validation of CAS numbers through use of the CAS Common Chemistry website. These CAS numbers are very important for many chemists (I use them as part of my work regularly), and if we lose the authenticity of these numbers it will greatly undermine the authority of Wikipedia chemicals pages. Is there some way the links can be included again? They follow a simple URL pattern - for example, for anethole we should have CAS number [104-46-1] linking to https://commonchemistry.cas.org/detail?cas_rn=104-46-1. Walkerma ( talk) 03:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Walkerma: As discussed at Template talk:Chembox CASNo/format#Unlinking commonchemistry based on Wikidata, this edit was introduced to unlink CAS numbers with a broken link. The method introduced works fine in that respect. However, in certain cases correct links are suppressed, too, unfortunately. This can be solved by adding the CommonChemistry link to the Wikidata item. -- Leyo 22:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
I fixed and error at Template:Chembox Properties/doc/parameter list were a missing set of of {{ Solvent 6}} parameters causes the two lists to be unaligned - but now they're still unaligned and its because they're different heights. No idea what I've done there. Project Osprey ( talk) 12:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
It has been brought to my attention that using FlashPt_Ref on FlashPt (without C F or K) results in a space between the value and the reference, not how it is supposed to be. Can we remove the spacing? I see in Template:Chembox Hazards that a space using & # 20 is added to FlashPt: (and AutoignitionPt as well)
|temp_text={{{FlashPt|}}} |temp_text={{{AutoignitionPt|}}}
(not rendering as it appears in the original so look at source here) but why is it added? Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 22:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
|FlashPt, AutoignitionPt, MeltingPt, BoilingPt=
. -
DePiep (
talk)
17:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Chembox CalcTemperatures,
Template:Chembox Properties and
Template:Chembox Hazards has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace all code in souce with code from /sandbox:
Change: bugfix ( report). In situation
|MeltingPt=foo
|MeltingPt_ref=<ref>{{cite source|...}}</ref>
a space is added before the reference:Test: see /testcases9: Template:Chembox/testcases9 § FlashPt and ref. Currently tests may be defunct because of /sandbox removals for going live. During the changeover (seconds) of the three, no unacceptable or broken situation expected (especially not when in this order 1-2-3).
DePiep ( talk) 17:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
References
I request to add these fields. Thank you. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 10:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
|ThermalConductivity=
. Does that serve?Does that serve?Yup, it does. We still need
|ElectricalResistivity=
one. Cheers.
AXONOV
(talk)
⚑
19:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)|ElectricalResistivity=
in sandbox. See {{
../testcases9#Electrical Resistivity}}.|ElectricalResistivity=
was added, but it is
not used at all...
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Template:Chembox Properties has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Change: Added |ElectricalResistivity=
per
§ Thermal conductivity and electrical resistivity? talk request.
Test: See {{ Chembox/testcases9#Electrical_Resistivity}}.
When a discrepancy comes to light, between data appearing in the infobox and data cited in the text (both assumed tied to reputable sources), until they are reconciled, if they can be, the datum appearing in the infobox should bear a superscripted citation (standard inline citation), so that incoming editors can go quickly and directly to the source of the infobox information. For instance, if an article states a melting point from a reliable source, in text, that does not match the m.p. given in the infobox, if the m.p. in the infobox does not have the specific citation from which that datum was drawn, the problem cannot be reviewed and resolved. (Citing 10 possible sources of the information — rather than the 1 source from which the datum was actually taken — hinders rather than helps editors from verifying information, in keeping with WP:VERIFY.) 2601:246:C700:14C:686D:F2B1:A446:EB9 ( talk) 20:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
<ref> .. </ref>
). Please notify if you see parameters with problems in this.
Relative permittivity is a property of many chemical compounds and elements that characterize an
electric field permittivity at different states of the compound. Are we fine with adding an |relativePermittivity=
param to {{
Chembox Properties}} sub-template? I propose to discuss this.
AXONOV
(talk)
⚑
10:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Over at WT:CHEMICALS: "found_in_taxon"-statement from Wikidata is a discussion to add this list. Please join there. - DePiep ( talk) 12:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Carbon dioxide has a blank paragraph between the hatnote and the lead section. Judging from its styles, it seems to be generated by {{
chembox}}
. Please fix.
Hairy Dude (
talk)
00:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Today I notice UNII links from our chemboxes not working. eg for silver stearate the link is https://fdasis.nlm.nih.gov/srs/srsdirect.jsp?regno=4H6PCL92ZN but this gets site is unavailable for me. Perhaps this is temporary. Nut PubChem now links to a different site: https://gsrs.ncats.nih.gov/ginas/app/beta/substances/4H6PCL92ZN Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 03:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
precision.fda.gov
all right. Somehow {{Infobox drug}} was updated already a year ago
[14] ?! Good we didn't pursue GSRS then. Thanks for the input. -
DePiep (
talk)
14:59, 13 February 2023 (UTC)![]() | This
edit request to
Template:Chembox UNII/format has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace all code in {{
Chembox UNII/format}}
with all of {{
Chembox UNII/format/sandbox}}
(
diff).
See § Adding Cambridge Structural Database identifiers to Chembox (CSD). - DePiep ( talk) 17:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Category:GHS errors currently displays the following text in its description:
|1=-
to state: No
GHS hazards classifications.
However, it seems that the editor, DePiep ( talk · contribs), responsible for this message and the work associated with it has been banned indefinitely. It's been over a year and no-one else appears to have taken over the work, unless I'm mistaken.
Since
Category:GHS errors has a handful of pages which use |1=-
, what should be done about them? Should we simply remove the hyphens? Doing so causes the entire Hazards section to not be displayed, since it's otherwise blank. –
Scyrme (
talk)
18:48, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
no H phrases
should appear. See e.g.
Naphthol Green B vs.
de:Naphtholgrün B --
Leyo
21:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
@ MSGJ: Hello again! If you're not too busy, would you take a look at this? – Scyrme ( talk) 19:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
|1=-
is used {{
GHS phrases}} should display no GHS classifications. – Scyrme ( talk) 18:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
When I updated the GHS for Neophyl chloride using the details from PubChem a number of predefined combinations weren't recognised and are categorised as P-phrase errors. The unrecognised combinations are described in this list.
Are they false positives? Or have I neglected something at Neophyl chloride? (If these are false positives, there are likely many others in the tracking category; the predefined combinations recognised by the template/module might need to be systematically updated.) – Scyrme ( talk) 23:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
|1=-
, which is mentioned in the category description ("Currently (December 2021), articles are listed that... please ignore this"). – Scyrme ( talk) 18:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Category:GHS errors is now cleared, except for those articles using a hyphen. This includes the subcateogory, which is now empty. Thanks to whoever sorted out the last remaining ones in Category:GHS warnings before I got around to it. – Scyrme ( talk) 00:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Add legal_BR and legal_BR_comment to Template:Chembox Pharmacology
It's already present in Template:Infobox drug/legal status and Template:Chembox Legal_status
-- Arthurfragoso ( talk) 17:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Drugs that I want to set the status: (so its easier to find them later, otherwise I might forget)
-- Arthurfragoso ( talk) 06:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Legal_BR
and Legal_BR_comment
for consistency with other parameters.
SWinxy (
talk)
21:09, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Any comments about renaming "section numbers" in articles which are using the chembox. One example where section6 is renamed to section4 [15] . I think its a bad idea because when adding new sections they would probably be out of order (i.e. the order specified in the documentation). (@ M97uzivatel:) - Christian75 ( talk) 11:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
|section# v#
sets the order of calling, and telling what is in that section gives the order of display. In this case it does not change anything, but if someone wants to add a fourth section this one may need to be moved down. It is a bit useless to change the numbers, often certain sections are always placed as last (hazards, explosive data, e.g.) so leaving them in a high number makes it easier and avoids duplicate use and confusion. I think we even have a standard order for sections, though with options to re-order for some compounds (we have explosive data normally quite far to the bottom, but for TNT it makes sense to have it higher up).The identifiers section ahead of the properties section is not ergonomic for readers because more readers will want to find out about the chemical properties than of the identifiers. Because this is the least descriptive part of the infobox, I suggest moving it to the bottom. CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 18:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
After some time passed, I am trying again to advocate for the addition of a "found in taxon" line based on Wikidata as already mentioned here: /info/en/?search=Template_talk:Chembox/Archive_13#Add_%22Found_in_taxon%22-list_(proposal)
My lua skills for implementation did not improve since then but woth asking again if of any interest? AdrianoRutz ( talk) 19:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
On the page of {{ Chembox Identifiers}}, prior to the template documentation there is a broken string: "! colspan=2 style="background: #f8eaba; text-align: center;" |Identifiers
|- "
Might want to remove that as it appears like broken infobox text. Thanks, -- Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 |
This is a follow up of this discussion. After learning in that discussion the past reasons for why the template is as it currently is, I was advised to make my request into a more formal discussion.
So my proposal is as follows:
Wanting to keep this section as short as possible, the reasons for everything proposed above can be found on the discussion that is linked in the header.
Feel free to propose changes to details as needed. The main part of the proposal for me is to go from many subtemplates to one or a few modules. - Klein Muçi ( talk) 08:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
|NFPA-X=
parameters be dispersed?); a bot can order the arguments; one can use <!-- grouping comments -->
(as documentation in blank parameter lists already
does); and more editing support can be thought of.|Section7={{Chembox Explosives| para1=... |para2=...| }}
. And conversely, all parameters require being used in a certain Section Subtemplate. Also, the "first" in your statement "syntax design must be tackled first" I disagree on. This discussion is first and foremost to get rid of the 2018 prohibition of Luafication beforehand. As long as people keep opposing this beforehand, syntax design is useless. -
DePiep (
talk)
08:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
|NFPA-X=
that somehow cannot find |NFPA-X=
any more? It is amateuristic and bad design to enforce some grouping by introducing requirements. -
DePiep (
talk)
20:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
accusing Beetstra of vandalism" by Johnuniq [3]. Since Johnuniq has not responded to my reply [4], has not redacted or crossed out their accusation, I restate: the accusation is false, BF and a PA. As it stands, it disrupts the discussion into uselessness [5]. I note that Johnuniq has not argued on content after this contribution. Anyway one cannot expect from a smeared editor to discuss along as if nothing happened. That is the effect of BF accusation, and by maintaining their accusation Johnuniq is responsible for anylack of quality.
This example is disingenuous and rediculous. Also:
This shows how a vandal would leave it behind. Also, the rest of that post was aimed at critique of the example (reads still to the point I note).
shows that parameters must be in sections—a long list of anything-goes would be impossible to maintain("shows", "must" and "impossible"). Quite tough assumptions. 3. Then Beetstra continues
I share the above concern from Johnuniq[7], which is actually a circular support of Beetra's own point based on an eh sub-optimal demo.
|RPhrases, SPhrases, RSPhrases, EUClass=
have been fully removed from usage. They have been replaced by modern {{
GHS phrases}}, usually with a source check. For example
[8],
[9]. Tracking:
Category:Chembox having DSD data (0).{{
Hazchem F|12px}}
images are unused & deleted? -
DePiep (
talk)
17:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Supplementary data page | |
---|---|
Refractive index (n), Dielectric constant (εr), etc. | |
Thermodynamic
data |
Phase behaviour solid–liquid–gas |
UV, IR, NMR, MS |
Some 150 chemical articles have a data page, with name pattern: Ammonia → Ammonia (data page). When such a page exists, {{Chembox}} automatically adds section "Supplementary data page". Demo-1 is the Supplementary section for Ammonia/Ammonia (data page).
Background:
Category:Chemical articles having a data page (129). A non-default data page name can be added by parameter: article
1-Propanol has |data page pagename=Propan-1-ol (data page)
, here too the Supplmentary section is added, as expected.
Ammonia (data page) [Supplementary data page] | |
---|---|
Ammonia (data page)#Structure and properties [Structure and
properties] |
Refractive index (n), Dielectric constant (εr), etc. |
Thermodynamic
data |
Ammonia (data page)#Thermodynamic properties [Phase behaviour] solid–liquid–gas |
Ammonia (data page)#Spectral data [Spectral data]
|
UV/VIS spectroscopy [UV], Infrared spectroscopy [IR], NMR spectroscopy [NMR], Mass spectrometry [MS] |
The problem is that the section does not add any info or data to the infobox, only wikilinks. Apart from the section header link to the data page, there are three wikilinks to data page #sections (see demo-2, the links made explicit). There is no check or guarantee that these #section targets are present or maintained in the data page. Also, there are six wikilinks to topics (straight articles). So, no Ammonia info is provided at all.
Supplementary data page | |
---|---|
Ammonia (data page) |
I propose to remove all rows. What remains is a link to the data page, explicit—not hidden in the section title. Apart from this update from /sandbox, no changes are needed in Chembox or articles. Data pages an sich (existence, usage) are not in discussion here.
Hazards | |
---|---|
Safety data sheet | See:
data page [+some external page link] |
GHS labelling: | |
Warning |
|ExternalSDS=
is available (ca. 1000 uses). -
DePiep (
talk)
07:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Several of the data pages contain very little additional information. In my view it would be best to delete those and to add any relevant information to an appropriate section of the article. -- Leyo 14:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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|EUClass, RPhrases, SPhrases=
are deprecated, abandoned and superfuous. Same for their subtemplates (including tracking/warning subtemplate {{
Chembox DSD/warning note 2017 DSD-GHS}}).![]() | This
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Changes pertain to {{Chembox Supplement}}: show link to "Article (data page)". Example: Ammonia <==> Ammonia (data page).
|data page name=none
, will suppress this automated showing of the data page link.|data page name=<blank>
(ie, the parameter exists), then the data page link did not show. Fixed: now it does.New: template {{ Chembox Datapage check}} is created to simplify pagename & exists steps (internal technical use only).
Tests & demo: see /testcases11. This testpage has data page Template:Chembox/testcases11 (data page).
DePiep ( talk) 15:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
After 2 current discussions ( Lua rewrite and Convert Chembox into Lua module) and some other discussions in the past years (they're mentioned in the discussions above and are part of the the archives) this is the first formal RfC that is being opened on the subject.
My proposal:
The subject has been locally discussed some times but usually it has failed to acquire a large number of users involved so now we're trying the RfC way. - Klein Muçi ( talk) 11:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
|Section2={{
Chembox Hazards|paraHaz1=...|paraHaz2=...}} |Section3={{Chembox Explosive|...}}
or shall we have a single template, with parameters working template-wide. -
DePiep (
talk)
19:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)|Section3={{Chembox Hazards|...}}
structure. You are requiring that editors, all infobox editors, must edit in a multilayered editbox (with the complicated subtemplates) and that templateeditors like me must maintain suboptimal code. On top of this you are preventing reuse of parameters throughout the template (for example, existing substance indexes in Identifiers cannot be reused eg for those substances melting points or images). Also, I request that you redact / remove your accusation "disruptive"; opposing your point is not that. I strongly suggest that you stop using BF accusations. -
DePiep (
talk)
10:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
|SectionX=
modular structure is explicitly abandoned by design & intention (ie, no subsection templates/modules, single-template, all parameters template-wide). -
DePiep (
talk)
12:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)class="infobox"
, and is used throughout as an infobox (for example, positioning in articles).Infobox chemical2
Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template) 100.00% 1879.025 1 -total 84.84% 1594.131 3 Template:Chembox 27.71% 520.675 3 Template:Chembox_Identifiers 25.10% 471.558 3 Template:Chembox_Properties 17.09% 321.190 61 Template:Trim 16.29% 306.117 19 Template:Chembox_headerbar 13.85% 260.191 3 Template:Chembox_Hazards 10.18% 191.306 45 Template:Unbulleted_list 6.11% 114.828 6 Template:Cite_web 5.75% 108.135 3 Template:Chembox_Elements
Note:: The {{
chembox}}es invocations from the said articles were placed into the sandbox and tested. The time report was take from html source code page.
--
AXONOV
(talk)
⚑ 16:44, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
… If you think Lua … an excluding factor in itself …One will have to learn lua in order to update the template. It's a significant factor regardless of whether Lua is hard or not. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 14:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
…I use it to mean translation and copy-pasting (import)…This can be easily done by using built-in mediawiki functionality Special:Export/ Special:Import (google for details). You can export entire list of subtemplates, translate them, and import into the local wiki (administrator privileges will likely be required) by few clicks. Why not to use it instead of lua? All the hardwork can be easily done. I will provide the list of sub-templates below (it may be incomplete). Hope it helps. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 17:34, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
List of templates to export/import
|
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Template:Chembox 3DMetl Template:Chembox 3DMet/format Template:Chembox AllOtherNames Template:Chembox AllOtherNames/format Template:Chembox CASNo Template:Chembox CASNo/format Template:Chembox CalcTemperatures Template:Chembox CalcTemperatures/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox ChEBI Template:Chembox ChEBI/format Template:Chembox ChEMBL Template:Chembox ChEMBL/format Template:Chembox ChemSpiderID Template:Chembox ChemSpiderID/format Template:Chembox CompTox Template:Chembox CompTox/format Template:Chembox DrugBank Template:Chembox DrugBank/format Template:Chembox ECNumber Template:Chembox ECNumber/format Template:Chembox Explosive/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Footer Template:Chembox Footer/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Footer/tracking Template:Chembox Footer/tracking/messagebox test (edit) (semi-protected) Template:Chembox Hazards/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox IUPHAR ligand Template:Chembox IUPHAR ligand/format Template:Chembox Identifiers Template:Chembox Identifiers/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Indexlist Template:Chembox Indexlist/format (edit) Template:Chembox Jmol Template:Chembox Jmol/format Template:Chembox KEGG Template:Chembox KEGG/format Template:Chembox Pharmacology/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Properties/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox PubChem Template:Chembox PubChem/format Template:Chembox RTECS Template:Chembox RTECS/format Template:Chembox Related/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Structure/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Supplement/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox Thermochemistry/doc/parameter list (edit) Template:Chembox UNII Template:Chembox UNII/format Template:Chembox headerbar Template:Chembox image Template:Chembox image cell Template:Chembox image sbs Template:Chembox image sbs cell Template:Chembox templatePar/formatPreviewMessage |
I propose to remove the Section subtemplate structure from {{
Chembox}}.
That is, to remove current |Section2={{Chembox Identifiers|...}}
setup, also called modular setup. The change will effect article-side (editbox, for all article editors), and template maintenance (backoffice). The change is also called "flattening" (=reduce the template depth).
While this change could be made in current building-table-by-wikitext-parsing (in theory at least), the viable route is Luafication of the infobox.
|Name= |ImageFile=
), {{Chembox}} Sections are to be entered as subtemplates. Each Section subtemplate, handles its own header and parameters (formatting, presenting); a 'child' template in the outer {{Chembox}} table.{{Chembox
| Name =
| ImageFile1 =
| ... <!-- Chembox (top) parameters -->
| Section1 = {{Chembox Identifiers
| index_label = A
| index2_label = B
| index_comment = A-substance
| index2_comment = B-substance
| CASNo =
| CASNo2 =
| ChEBI =
| ChEBI2 =
| ChEMBL =
| ChEMBL2 =
| ... <!-- more Indentifiers parameters -->
}}
| Section2 = {{Chembox Properties
| MeltingPtC =
| BoilingPtC =
| ... <!-- more Properties parameters -->
}}
}}
The numbering in |CASNo= |CASNo2=
is called indexing, and allows to enter & distinguish multiple substance identifiers.
The possible issues arising from using parsing wikitext templates (instead of a lua module), by itself, are discarded here. The issues are in design & usage. That said, we assume any solution will be made through Lua, not in parsed templates.
|qid=|qid1=|qid2=|qid3=
for the indexed distinct compounds, would allow to call Wikidata values (like |E number=, ECHA InfoCard ID=, DTXSID=
already done for page-QID), and other compound values to show or to compare (say, use or compare melting point per indexed compound).|SectionX=
structure. All edits must retain the |Section2={{Chembox Identifiers|...}}
code setup. Also, when adding a Section, this structure is required. That is: this is before any content edit to the parameters is made. (
this maintenance category has shown many such errors over the years
[10]
[11]).I propose, and strongly suggest, that the transition be made as an explicit conclusion of § RfC on making chembox an infobox.
|ImageFile1=
vs |index_label=
is not a good design. --
Gonnym (
talk)
12:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)|CASNo3_ref=
→ {"casrn", index, "ref"}, asap after reading. Processing, ordering, wd, i18n then is just matter of bookkeeping ;-) Hope it doesn't get too boring... -
DePiep (
talk)
21:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Hazard
" (EyeHazard, ...) for actual usage).I propose to group & rephrase the five
Occupational safety and health (OHS/OSH) hazards. Added new |GHS_ref=
. Apart from the Main hazards (1300), the minor ones won't exceed 30 articles.
A demo is at Template:Chembox/testcases (set) § OHS set (new). Mention OHS/OSH equally? Any comments? @ Leyo and Graeme Bartlett: - DePiep ( talk) 19:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't think such a section is needed in the box. GHS is sufficient and more information may be provided in the text. -- Leyo 21:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Now that the sandbox is free to test&demo, I reopen my proposal to
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Please copy all code from {{ Chembox Hazards/sandbox}} into {{ Chembox Hazards}} ( diff).
|OHS_ref=
, {{
Chembox OHS (set)}}; Tests: See
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Please copy all code from {{ Chembox Hazards/sandbox}} into {{ Chembox Hazards}} ( diff).
|FlashPt=
must start at newline.The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caffeine (data page) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
DePiep ( talk) 14:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
By default the title of the chembox is the name of the article (as in Magnesium chloride), however I've just realized it doesn't always shows and has to be entered manually (as in Lithium aluminium hydride, old version where the title wasn't manually added [13]), is it a known bug?
Regards, -- Aariuser ( talk) 13:35, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
|Name=<blank>
(so, Name (=overwrite title) parameter is present & empty). Will take a look for the solution. -
DePiep (
talk)
13:48, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please replace all code in {{ Chembox}} with all {{ Chembox/sandbox}} code ( diff).
Change: bugfix, |Name=<blank>
would hide {{PAGENAME}} (infobox has no title) . Changed if-logic.
Test: see Template:Chembox/testcases4 § Name. DePiep ( talk) 14:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello - I notice that the new version of the Chembox no longer includes links in the CAS Registry numbers. These are used as validation of CAS numbers through use of the CAS Common Chemistry website. These CAS numbers are very important for many chemists (I use them as part of my work regularly), and if we lose the authenticity of these numbers it will greatly undermine the authority of Wikipedia chemicals pages. Is there some way the links can be included again? They follow a simple URL pattern - for example, for anethole we should have CAS number [104-46-1] linking to https://commonchemistry.cas.org/detail?cas_rn=104-46-1. Walkerma ( talk) 03:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Walkerma: As discussed at Template talk:Chembox CASNo/format#Unlinking commonchemistry based on Wikidata, this edit was introduced to unlink CAS numbers with a broken link. The method introduced works fine in that respect. However, in certain cases correct links are suppressed, too, unfortunately. This can be solved by adding the CommonChemistry link to the Wikidata item. -- Leyo 22:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
I fixed and error at Template:Chembox Properties/doc/parameter list were a missing set of of {{ Solvent 6}} parameters causes the two lists to be unaligned - but now they're still unaligned and its because they're different heights. No idea what I've done there. Project Osprey ( talk) 12:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
It has been brought to my attention that using FlashPt_Ref on FlashPt (without C F or K) results in a space between the value and the reference, not how it is supposed to be. Can we remove the spacing? I see in Template:Chembox Hazards that a space using & # 20 is added to FlashPt: (and AutoignitionPt as well)
|temp_text={{{FlashPt|}}} |temp_text={{{AutoignitionPt|}}}
(not rendering as it appears in the original so look at source here) but why is it added? Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 22:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
|FlashPt, AutoignitionPt, MeltingPt, BoilingPt=
. -
DePiep (
talk)
17:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)![]() | This
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Template:Chembox CalcTemperatures,
Template:Chembox Properties and
Template:Chembox Hazards has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace all code in souce with code from /sandbox:
Change: bugfix ( report). In situation
|MeltingPt=foo
|MeltingPt_ref=<ref>{{cite source|...}}</ref>
a space is added before the reference:Test: see /testcases9: Template:Chembox/testcases9 § FlashPt and ref. Currently tests may be defunct because of /sandbox removals for going live. During the changeover (seconds) of the three, no unacceptable or broken situation expected (especially not when in this order 1-2-3).
DePiep ( talk) 17:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
References
I request to add these fields. Thank you. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 10:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
|ThermalConductivity=
. Does that serve?Does that serve?Yup, it does. We still need
|ElectricalResistivity=
one. Cheers.
AXONOV
(talk)
⚑
19:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)|ElectricalResistivity=
in sandbox. See {{
../testcases9#Electrical Resistivity}}.|ElectricalResistivity=
was added, but it is
not used at all...
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Change: Added |ElectricalResistivity=
per
§ Thermal conductivity and electrical resistivity? talk request.
Test: See {{ Chembox/testcases9#Electrical_Resistivity}}.
When a discrepancy comes to light, between data appearing in the infobox and data cited in the text (both assumed tied to reputable sources), until they are reconciled, if they can be, the datum appearing in the infobox should bear a superscripted citation (standard inline citation), so that incoming editors can go quickly and directly to the source of the infobox information. For instance, if an article states a melting point from a reliable source, in text, that does not match the m.p. given in the infobox, if the m.p. in the infobox does not have the specific citation from which that datum was drawn, the problem cannot be reviewed and resolved. (Citing 10 possible sources of the information — rather than the 1 source from which the datum was actually taken — hinders rather than helps editors from verifying information, in keeping with WP:VERIFY.) 2601:246:C700:14C:686D:F2B1:A446:EB9 ( talk) 20:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
<ref> .. </ref>
). Please notify if you see parameters with problems in this.
Relative permittivity is a property of many chemical compounds and elements that characterize an
electric field permittivity at different states of the compound. Are we fine with adding an |relativePermittivity=
param to {{
Chembox Properties}} sub-template? I propose to discuss this.
AXONOV
(talk)
⚑
10:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Over at WT:CHEMICALS: "found_in_taxon"-statement from Wikidata is a discussion to add this list. Please join there. - DePiep ( talk) 12:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Carbon dioxide has a blank paragraph between the hatnote and the lead section. Judging from its styles, it seems to be generated by {{
chembox}}
. Please fix.
Hairy Dude (
talk)
00:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Today I notice UNII links from our chemboxes not working. eg for silver stearate the link is https://fdasis.nlm.nih.gov/srs/srsdirect.jsp?regno=4H6PCL92ZN but this gets site is unavailable for me. Perhaps this is temporary. Nut PubChem now links to a different site: https://gsrs.ncats.nih.gov/ginas/app/beta/substances/4H6PCL92ZN Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 03:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
precision.fda.gov
all right. Somehow {{Infobox drug}} was updated already a year ago
[14] ?! Good we didn't pursue GSRS then. Thanks for the input. -
DePiep (
talk)
14:59, 13 February 2023 (UTC)![]() | This
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Template:Chembox UNII/format has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please replace all code in {{
Chembox UNII/format}}
with all of {{
Chembox UNII/format/sandbox}}
(
diff).
See § Adding Cambridge Structural Database identifiers to Chembox (CSD). - DePiep ( talk) 17:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Category:GHS errors currently displays the following text in its description:
|1=-
to state: No
GHS hazards classifications.
However, it seems that the editor, DePiep ( talk · contribs), responsible for this message and the work associated with it has been banned indefinitely. It's been over a year and no-one else appears to have taken over the work, unless I'm mistaken.
Since
Category:GHS errors has a handful of pages which use |1=-
, what should be done about them? Should we simply remove the hyphens? Doing so causes the entire Hazards section to not be displayed, since it's otherwise blank. –
Scyrme (
talk)
18:48, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
no H phrases
should appear. See e.g.
Naphthol Green B vs.
de:Naphtholgrün B --
Leyo
21:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
@ MSGJ: Hello again! If you're not too busy, would you take a look at this? – Scyrme ( talk) 19:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
|1=-
is used {{
GHS phrases}} should display no GHS classifications. – Scyrme ( talk) 18:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
When I updated the GHS for Neophyl chloride using the details from PubChem a number of predefined combinations weren't recognised and are categorised as P-phrase errors. The unrecognised combinations are described in this list.
Are they false positives? Or have I neglected something at Neophyl chloride? (If these are false positives, there are likely many others in the tracking category; the predefined combinations recognised by the template/module might need to be systematically updated.) – Scyrme ( talk) 23:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
|1=-
, which is mentioned in the category description ("Currently (December 2021), articles are listed that... please ignore this"). – Scyrme ( talk) 18:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Category:GHS errors is now cleared, except for those articles using a hyphen. This includes the subcateogory, which is now empty. Thanks to whoever sorted out the last remaining ones in Category:GHS warnings before I got around to it. – Scyrme ( talk) 00:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Add legal_BR and legal_BR_comment to Template:Chembox Pharmacology
It's already present in Template:Infobox drug/legal status and Template:Chembox Legal_status
-- Arthurfragoso ( talk) 17:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Drugs that I want to set the status: (so its easier to find them later, otherwise I might forget)
-- Arthurfragoso ( talk) 06:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Legal_BR
and Legal_BR_comment
for consistency with other parameters.
SWinxy (
talk)
21:09, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Any comments about renaming "section numbers" in articles which are using the chembox. One example where section6 is renamed to section4 [15] . I think its a bad idea because when adding new sections they would probably be out of order (i.e. the order specified in the documentation). (@ M97uzivatel:) - Christian75 ( talk) 11:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
|section# v#
sets the order of calling, and telling what is in that section gives the order of display. In this case it does not change anything, but if someone wants to add a fourth section this one may need to be moved down. It is a bit useless to change the numbers, often certain sections are always placed as last (hazards, explosive data, e.g.) so leaving them in a high number makes it easier and avoids duplicate use and confusion. I think we even have a standard order for sections, though with options to re-order for some compounds (we have explosive data normally quite far to the bottom, but for TNT it makes sense to have it higher up).The identifiers section ahead of the properties section is not ergonomic for readers because more readers will want to find out about the chemical properties than of the identifiers. Because this is the least descriptive part of the infobox, I suggest moving it to the bottom. CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 18:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
After some time passed, I am trying again to advocate for the addition of a "found in taxon" line based on Wikidata as already mentioned here: /info/en/?search=Template_talk:Chembox/Archive_13#Add_%22Found_in_taxon%22-list_(proposal)
My lua skills for implementation did not improve since then but woth asking again if of any interest? AdrianoRutz ( talk) 19:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
On the page of {{ Chembox Identifiers}}, prior to the template documentation there is a broken string: "! colspan=2 style="background: #f8eaba; text-align: center;" |Identifiers
|- "
Might want to remove that as it appears like broken infobox text. Thanks, -- Classicwiki ( talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)