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Given the blurry distinction between the groups (eg add a wireless receiver to a Wave system and suddenly it jumps from "speaker systems" to "multimedia" systems), I propose to re-organise the groups to align more with accepted groupings of audio products (and less based on Bose's unique product groupings). The following groups are proposed:

• 2 channel loudspeaker systems (would be otherwise called "stereo systems" but this would cause confusion with Bose's "stereo" category which includes surround systems etc)
• surround sound loudspeaker systems
• Televisions
• Headphones / Headsets

Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 09:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC) reply

That's clear. I support the change. Binksternet ( talk) 15:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC) reply

Thanks. It's done. And I've been through all the articles in the template and (hopefully!) improved their NPOV and made them more comprehensible 1292simon ( talk) 06:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC) reply

Phoenix, in response to your edit summaries:

-2.1 with virtual surround emulation is not widely considered a "surround" system.

-The most objective way to group these links is by counting the discreet channels of spatial info: 2 (or 2.1) means "2 channel", more than that means surround (personally I don't mind if "SoundBar" is in "surround" or a new "Soundbar" group).

-"Personal Audio" (as a product category) does not have an accepted meaning (the Personal Audio page only refers to a specific product), for example some people think it refers to iPods etc.

1292simon ( talk) 08:02, 6 February 2012 (UTC) reply

Your the one saying that we should avoid what Bose calls things. Can you give me any sources for your above claims? -- Phoenix ( talk) 10:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC) reply

-2.1!= surround: no mention of 2.1 in these surround sound pages: link, link, link

-Category based on 2 channel or more: link, link

-Personal audio: see above 1292simon ( talk) 23:36, 3 March 2012 (UTC) reply

You use eBay as a source? Really? And your sources are not about stereo systems only Home theater systems and you said "no mention of 2.1 in these surround sound pages" from [1]

2.1 Speaker Systems 2.1 audio systems are not technically “surround sound,” but they are definitely a step up from simple shelf speakers (which don’t have the benefit of a subwoofer). Just as with 5.1 systems, the “2” stands for two satellite speakers -- at the left and right front -- and the “.1” stands for the subwoofer. So 2.1 sound is a great economic solution if you don’t have the money or space for what is called “true” surround sound (at least 5.1 speakers), but you still want high quality, dynamic sound.

Not really sure what you were trying to prove with that source or even why you were talking about 2.1 home theater systems but they do exist -- Phoenix ( talk) 23:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC) reply

Phoenix, as mentioned above, there is confusion regarding "stereo" because the Bose website lists non-stereo packages (surround, ceiling) in a category named "Stereo Loudspeakers". Please discuss before reverting again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1292simon ( talk • contribs) 07:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC) reply

Do they provide left and right channel sound? If so they are stereo. If they provide more than that they are typically surround (i.e. 5.1) -- Phoenix ( talk) 07:15, 3 February 2012 (UTC) reply

Totally agree! But Bose doesn't (see above), hence we need the restructure and clarification 1292simon ( talk) 07:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC) reply