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This template seems to create all kinds of WP:NPOV violations. Labelling a group's religious views a "heresy" explicitly takes one point of view on a matter of controversy. This is contrary to Wikipedia policy.-- Srleffler ( talk) 05:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Next problem: it had better be the case that every single one of the entries in this list has been explicitly condemned as heresy by the Catholic church, and we ought to have a reference to a reliable source establishing that fact. Taking a quick look through the entries in the "modern era" section, I find that almost none of the linked articles contain an explicit statement that the Catholic Church has condemned the belief as a heresy. To expedite matters, I am challenging every entry on the list per WP:V. I'll come back in a few days and delete any that are lacking references to a reliable source establishing that the Catholic Church has, in fact, declared it a heresy. References can be in the linked articles.
Third problem: Should we create a whole series of these templates? "Beliefs condemned as heresy by Islam", for example, and link every article, including perhaps Catholicism, on beliefs that Muslims consider to be heresy? Should we create one for the beliefs condemned by every Christian sect, and link every condemned sect's article? I'm sure that Catholicism would appear on many of those templates. It may be better to conclude that this was just a bad idea, and get rid of this template. There are better ways to document Catholic theology and its views on other religious beliefs.-- Srleffler ( talk) 05:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Most if not all of these heresies condemned by the Catholic Church are also condemned by the Eastern Orthodox Church in totality. Can we move and modify this template to something like "Heresies condemned by Chalcedonian Christianity"? This site tends to be ignorant of "Eastern" Churches in general.-- Sıgehelmus (Talk) ω 23:13, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Some of these churches/groups self-identify as Catholic. As a result, to avoid confusion we must add "Roman" to the title to clarify that not all Catholics condemn the movements as heretical.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 20:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I think we need to add " Mohammedans", but fear that if we do, it will be considered hate speech or something. In historical lists of heresy, they are nearly always mentioned as if they were yet another Christian heresy like Arianism. Of course this is a POV, but it was the Catholic POV, so this seems legit anyway. To be consistent we should add Mohammedans. Does anyone know what will happen if we do?-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 20:53, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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This template seems to create all kinds of WP:NPOV violations. Labelling a group's religious views a "heresy" explicitly takes one point of view on a matter of controversy. This is contrary to Wikipedia policy.-- Srleffler ( talk) 05:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Next problem: it had better be the case that every single one of the entries in this list has been explicitly condemned as heresy by the Catholic church, and we ought to have a reference to a reliable source establishing that fact. Taking a quick look through the entries in the "modern era" section, I find that almost none of the linked articles contain an explicit statement that the Catholic Church has condemned the belief as a heresy. To expedite matters, I am challenging every entry on the list per WP:V. I'll come back in a few days and delete any that are lacking references to a reliable source establishing that the Catholic Church has, in fact, declared it a heresy. References can be in the linked articles.
Third problem: Should we create a whole series of these templates? "Beliefs condemned as heresy by Islam", for example, and link every article, including perhaps Catholicism, on beliefs that Muslims consider to be heresy? Should we create one for the beliefs condemned by every Christian sect, and link every condemned sect's article? I'm sure that Catholicism would appear on many of those templates. It may be better to conclude that this was just a bad idea, and get rid of this template. There are better ways to document Catholic theology and its views on other religious beliefs.-- Srleffler ( talk) 05:48, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Most if not all of these heresies condemned by the Catholic Church are also condemned by the Eastern Orthodox Church in totality. Can we move and modify this template to something like "Heresies condemned by Chalcedonian Christianity"? This site tends to be ignorant of "Eastern" Churches in general.-- Sıgehelmus (Talk) ω 23:13, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Some of these churches/groups self-identify as Catholic. As a result, to avoid confusion we must add "Roman" to the title to clarify that not all Catholics condemn the movements as heretical.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 20:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I think we need to add " Mohammedans", but fear that if we do, it will be considered hate speech or something. In historical lists of heresy, they are nearly always mentioned as if they were yet another Christian heresy like Arianism. Of course this is a POV, but it was the Catholic POV, so this seems legit anyway. To be consistent we should add Mohammedans. Does anyone know what will happen if we do?-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 20:53, 5 July 2019 (UTC)