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Isn't Monroeville a city, and not a burough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwflammang ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that under Pennsylvania law there are essentially three kinds of municipalities within counties (which are themselves also municiplalites): cities, boroughs (including the one incorporated town), and townships. There are several possible divisions within these groups. Counties can be divided into 9 classes based on population, cities can be divided into four classes, and townships can be divided into two classes. On top of this, all municipalities can adopt home rule legislation, which allows them to determine their own governmental structure (and not follow many of the state laws). As of 2002, Allegheny County itself and 18 municipalities within it (including cities, boroughs, and townships) had adopted home rule. They are still a 2nd class county and cities, boroughs and townships under PA law though. See this PDF [1]
My question then is why should we list Home Rule communities separately? Bethel Park is still legally a borough. I think it would be OK to put an asterisk after the names of municipalities that are home rule, but I do not think it makes the nav box clearer to list them primarily as home rule (and not boroughs or twps or cities).
It may be that the law has changed and if so please let me know and provide a ref, but I think the recent changes should be reverted. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
(outdent)I fixed all the Potter County maps to reflect the disappearance of East Fork and have been busy lately in real life and here, but I had thought of splitting out the List of Pennsylvania Home Rule Municipalities out (it is now a section of List of towns and boroughs in Pennsylvania), using the 2005 source given above. Are asterisks and a note in the county nav boxes to show Home Rule OK? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry not to have done anything with this so far - would it be OK to add a dagger to Home Rule municipalities and move them back to city / borough / township? Or should I do the list of Home Rule Munis first, then go through and add daggers to the nav boxes? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 06:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I will try to make a separate list of Home Rule municipalities in Pennsylvania and then add a dagger or asterisk or some symbol as a footnote for those municipalities that are home rule in all of the state. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
There was an edit to the template listing that caused it NOT to display any footnotes or unincorporated communities, this was undone. Template works now. Coal town guy ( talk) 14:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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Isn't Monroeville a city, and not a burough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwflammang ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
My understanding is that under Pennsylvania law there are essentially three kinds of municipalities within counties (which are themselves also municiplalites): cities, boroughs (including the one incorporated town), and townships. There are several possible divisions within these groups. Counties can be divided into 9 classes based on population, cities can be divided into four classes, and townships can be divided into two classes. On top of this, all municipalities can adopt home rule legislation, which allows them to determine their own governmental structure (and not follow many of the state laws). As of 2002, Allegheny County itself and 18 municipalities within it (including cities, boroughs, and townships) had adopted home rule. They are still a 2nd class county and cities, boroughs and townships under PA law though. See this PDF [1]
My question then is why should we list Home Rule communities separately? Bethel Park is still legally a borough. I think it would be OK to put an asterisk after the names of municipalities that are home rule, but I do not think it makes the nav box clearer to list them primarily as home rule (and not boroughs or twps or cities).
It may be that the law has changed and if so please let me know and provide a ref, but I think the recent changes should be reverted. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
(outdent)I fixed all the Potter County maps to reflect the disappearance of East Fork and have been busy lately in real life and here, but I had thought of splitting out the List of Pennsylvania Home Rule Municipalities out (it is now a section of List of towns and boroughs in Pennsylvania), using the 2005 source given above. Are asterisks and a note in the county nav boxes to show Home Rule OK? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry not to have done anything with this so far - would it be OK to add a dagger to Home Rule municipalities and move them back to city / borough / township? Or should I do the list of Home Rule Munis first, then go through and add daggers to the nav boxes? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 06:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I will try to make a separate list of Home Rule municipalities in Pennsylvania and then add a dagger or asterisk or some symbol as a footnote for those municipalities that are home rule in all of the state. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
There was an edit to the template listing that caused it NOT to display any footnotes or unincorporated communities, this was undone. Template works now. Coal town guy ( talk) 14:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)