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Hi @ Sutyarashi!
The source meets WP:RS. The Indian History Congress is reputable. It is the largest academic body of India with over 35,000 professionals. The journal has been cited more than 92 times which is more than enough. It is published and is distributed by a reputable party ( JSTOR). Also, according to Wikipedia, a Journal which has not been peer-reviewed can still be added to represent the viewpoint. We should add a peer-reviewed journal when available. However, recent scholarly sources also add value. Per wiki, journals by "respected publishing houses" are still considered reliable even if not peer reviewed.
Now to address your point regarding primary source, the source is not primary. The primary source is Lisan-al-arab which the author interprets, reviews and discusses and not a WP editor. And even goes as far as to cite an additional source "Majma-e-Bahaar-ul-Anwar" which itself is already a secondary source regarding Zutts of Sindh. So it is sufficient to represent a viewpoint. If we go by your definition of primary sources. Then the whole article will fall apart because Nizami and Wink cite primary arabic texts. But we are aware that this is what we call a "secondary" source. Because the source has been interpreted by a recent author. Sir Calculus ( talk) 09:35, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
(a) Tribesmen of Sind Islamized. Prior to Islām a contingent of the Indian soldiers recruited from the formidable Jāts (al-Zuṭṭ), the Sayābija and the Asāwira served in the Persian army.[1] You can access the source here. Check out pages 191 & 194 and their notes. It is also useful if you wish to expand the current article regarding Zutts.
According to Lisan al Arab, Jats originally belonged to the regions of Sindh and Kirman.
Zutt (Jats) dominated regions of Makran and Turan (including Qiqan, modern Kalat), as well as land as far as west bank of Indus river in Sindh...The region from Makran to Mansura in Sindh was mainly populated by Jats.Sutyarashi ( talk) 15:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
At the time of Umayyad conquest of Sindh in the early 8th century, Zutt (Jats) dominated regions of Makran and Turan (including Qiqan, modern Kalat) as well as Sindh and Kirman. That would end the dispute. Sutyarashi ( talk) 01:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi @ Sutyarashi!
The source meets WP:RS. The Indian History Congress is reputable. It is the largest academic body of India with over 35,000 professionals. The journal has been cited more than 92 times which is more than enough. It is published and is distributed by a reputable party ( JSTOR). Also, according to Wikipedia, a Journal which has not been peer-reviewed can still be added to represent the viewpoint. We should add a peer-reviewed journal when available. However, recent scholarly sources also add value. Per wiki, journals by "respected publishing houses" are still considered reliable even if not peer reviewed.
Now to address your point regarding primary source, the source is not primary. The primary source is Lisan-al-arab which the author interprets, reviews and discusses and not a WP editor. And even goes as far as to cite an additional source "Majma-e-Bahaar-ul-Anwar" which itself is already a secondary source regarding Zutts of Sindh. So it is sufficient to represent a viewpoint. If we go by your definition of primary sources. Then the whole article will fall apart because Nizami and Wink cite primary arabic texts. But we are aware that this is what we call a "secondary" source. Because the source has been interpreted by a recent author. Sir Calculus ( talk) 09:35, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
(a) Tribesmen of Sind Islamized. Prior to Islām a contingent of the Indian soldiers recruited from the formidable Jāts (al-Zuṭṭ), the Sayābija and the Asāwira served in the Persian army.[1] You can access the source here. Check out pages 191 & 194 and their notes. It is also useful if you wish to expand the current article regarding Zutts.
According to Lisan al Arab, Jats originally belonged to the regions of Sindh and Kirman.
Zutt (Jats) dominated regions of Makran and Turan (including Qiqan, modern Kalat), as well as land as far as west bank of Indus river in Sindh...The region from Makran to Mansura in Sindh was mainly populated by Jats.Sutyarashi ( talk) 15:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
At the time of Umayyad conquest of Sindh in the early 8th century, Zutt (Jats) dominated regions of Makran and Turan (including Qiqan, modern Kalat) as well as Sindh and Kirman. That would end the dispute. Sutyarashi ( talk) 01:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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