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Who put Yugi's age at 11? It was made clear he was at high school age at the beginning of the manga. He is just a very short teenager. Actually, the entire age thing is totally wrong. To my knowledge the amount of years between YGO! and YGO! GX has not been stated. 02:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC) shisui2006 i think he is somewere in between but i dont read the manga i watch the anime 2 january 2009 yugiyamimokubakaina —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 16:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Does this kid have parents? And if not, what happened to them? 71.251.47.141 01:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we really need to have information about each and every duel in all its gory detail? The information isn't exactly encyclopedic. Plus, there are some parts that are inaccurate with respect to the actual CG.
Yugi's mother was shown in the Game Boy Advance game Yu-Gi-Oh! Dungeon Dice Monsters and as a versable opponent. J.C. 06:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that in one of Mr. Takahashi's interviews for Shonen Jump, he says that Yugi's dad is a traveling salesman. Yugi's mom is shown in the manga. Also, she makes a brief appearance in the anime (one time when Yugi's grandpa is leaving the hospital after Duelist Kingdom, and another time in the Japanese version when Yugi is talking to Yami in his bedroom, she's just outside his room). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.95.111 ( talk) 04:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles. It would probably be better to wait for consensus there before re-reverting. -- Aponar Kestrel 08:07, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)
Second, shouldn't it be at Yugi Mutou instead (going by Japanese name)?
kelvSYC 01:17, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In the United States, the Yugioh manga in Shonen Jump uses "Yugi Mutou". WhisperToMe 03:11, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The following was moved from Talk:Sailor Moon.
When Japanese names are used in a Wikipedia article on a Japanese anime character that has a different name in the English anime, that is because the English manga keeps the Japanese name and romanizes it in a certain way. (For instance, the article on the main character of Yu-Gi-Oh! is at Yugi Mutou, not Yugi Moto or Yuugi Mutou) WhisperToMe 17:59, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
i always saw it being muto i couldnt find anything with moto or mutou ive always also seen his first name spelt as yugi yuhgi yamiyugimokubakaibai —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I took some time to cleanup the following area. I tried to include cards that have been played more than once, namely in important duels according to what has been shown on the show. Please, feel free to cleanup and edit accordingly. Just trying my best to make sure that it is easy to read and understand. - DrachenFyre 02:26, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Okay, supposedly when his deck gets stolen in Yugioh GX, it has Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning. Should those cards be added? User: Drake Clawfang, April 24 2006, 9:57 PM EST
I believe, personally, that we shouldn't list EVERY SINGLE CARD shown (played or not) for all the characters. These massive lists clutter up the article. I really believe that it should be culled for cards that are important to the storylines, i.e. Kuriboh and Multiply...Magical Hats and Dark Magician (naturally)...Spellbinding Circle and Book of Secret Arts. Honestly. - The One and Only 02:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
He did use the Seal of Orichalcos once. I don't know why people take that out. 71.111.215.224 15:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've put SoO back in the list because he did use it once. Even if it was given to him, he did use it. 71.111.215.224 16:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Why does everybody take out the Seal of Orichalcos? He did use it! 71.111.215.224 16:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I know that. The Eye of Timeaus wasn't exactly in his deck either. But, he did use it. 71.111.215.224 21:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I put in Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning. True, we never Yugi use them per say, but they are in his deck in Yugioh GX. Plus, he never uses Winged Kuriboh either, but that's on the list (and I believe it should remain that way)
Well, that means that the Seal of Orichalcos should technically be included because he did use it out of desparation. But, I'll leave somebody else to add it. 71.111.232.40 22:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, the second's more of a theory than an essay. Now that the dub name has been revealed, the Atem/Atemu controversy has been sparked up again, and with it, sufficiant evidence for the name "Atemu" being a mere case of Engrish. The first was written by Toboe LoneWolf of Janime's forum and the second was written by myself. Here's the original thread: http://janime.netzgames.net/showthread.php?t=8374
Toboe LoneWolf
"So, the ever so famous Atem vs. Atemu debate.
I, here and now, will use "Atem" until the English manga comes out or until some Japanese, Egyptian, and English fluent person translates the pertinent chapter. This is because Takahashi screwed up royally using hieroglyphs for the Pharaoh's name. Yes, he does make mistakes. So, since he can't write in hieroglyphs and in proper ancient Egyptian context, I will use Takahashi's native language's pronunciation, which is "Atem." I do this in protest because of his disrespect for this ancient language.
If you're going to take Takahashi's hieroglyphs over Takahashi's Japanese (his native language), the hieroglyphs and the culture behind it should be flawless. Unfortunately, Takahashi has made some mistakes. Because of these mistakes, Takahashi's hieroglyphic rendering of the Pharaoh's name is not credible.
Theoretically one could excuse Takahashi's numerous mistakes. But to write in ignorance of this ancient language is disrespectful. The culture behind hieroglyphs is practically sacred and holy; the scribe was revered in Egypt. To mess up the writing is definitely unacceptable.
Pictures of Takahashi's writing of Yami's past name: http://www.janime.biz/manga/manga/333/05.jpg http://www.janime.biz/manga/manga/333/07.jpg
Now, I fight from the pronunciation standpoint. If you wish to debate over the actual lettering, forget this.
The Pharaoh's name written in Japanese is the katakana form, in which you cannot end any word in a consonant except for "n." In katakana, Takahashi wrote "Atemu," which in Japanese is pronounced as "Atem."
Now, as for Takahashi's hieroglyphic writing of the Pharaoh's name, Takahashi wrote [vulture][loaf of bread][single reed][owl][quail chick]. This is commonly (and incorrectly) translated as "[A][T][E][M][u]."
Many people have pointed their fingers at the quail chick, which is pronounced as a "oo" or "u," and say "HA! SEE! IT'S A 'U!' IT HAS TO BE ATEMU!"
First mistake: incorrect number of names. Pharaohs (by the 5th dynasty) actually had five names: the Horus Name, the Nebti (Two Ladies) name, the golden Horus name, the prenomen (throne name), and the nomen (birth name). Each was preceded by a glyph telling the reader which name it was. (See below for links about Pharaoh's names.)
Which name is Atem/Atemu? It could be the birthname, being that it is in a cartouche and does not have "Ra" in it; but Takahashi forgot to precede with "sa Ra" or "son of Ra" to denote this. Also, the nomen is simply the birth name; it was the prenomen that was predominately used in most affairs as king and Pharaoh. Each name is important and has religious and cultural significance; for Takahashi to not name them (especially since this is the first time it's being told to us) is culturally wrong. (Unless Takahashi's going to write a whole new series of the Pharaoh searching for the other four names...)
Second mistake: use of vowels. Egyptians did not write vowels. The fact that Takahashi tried writing them is wrong. The use of "vowels" in hieroglyphic writing came during the Greek conquest when Egyptians would translate Greek names such as "Ptolemy" or "Cleopatra" into Egyptian pronunciation. Since the Pharaoh is definitely not Greek and is also in the 18th dynasty as stated by Takahashi, the Pharaoh cannot have "vowels" in his name. All hieroglyphs are consonants; although the reed is transliterated as "i" it is a consonant, not a vowel. The "a," the "e," and the "u" should not even be in the hieroglyphic writing of the Pharaoh's name. It is said that the arabic language today only writes down consonants as well, except for long vowels. One could argue that the "a" and the "u" are like consonants, in that they are long vowels, but the "e" is most certainly not.
Third mistake: the single reed as "e." In all of my Egyptian books, I have never come across the connection that the single reed is a "e." Every single book I've read has told me it is an "i," pronounced as "ee." The "e" in the name Atem/Atemu has an "eh" sound to it-- not "ee." Only in a children's book have I seen a double reed as an "e." Since children's books are not reliable and tend to oversimplify, Takahashi has made yet another mistake.
Fourth mistake: the "a," or [vulture]. In children's books, I have seen the [vulture] translated into "A." However, this is wrong. Literally, the transliteration symbol for the vulture is "3" and its true pronunciation is a glottal stop. This is a brief closing of the windpipe, like a little cough. For example, the English Cockney pronunciation of "t" in "little bottle" -- kind of like "li'le bo'le." There are actually two glyphs for the sound of "a" -- the vulture and the forearm, transliteration symbols 3 and 9, respectively. The forearm's pronunciation is the arabic 'ayn, or guttural "ah." The 3 (vulture) is a softer or higher sound while the 9 (forearm) is a louder and lower "A." The 3, in order to get a strong "ah" sound, often needs another hieroglyph next to it, with the transliteration symbol h. The 9 can stand by itself.
Now, the names of Atem/Atemu require a strong "A" sound, not a muted/softer one. This requires the forearm, not the vulture. If Takahashi wanted to use the vulture, he needs to put another glyph. In some textbooks the Egyptian names of Anubis, Amun, Atum, and Aten are transliterated as inpw, imn, itm, and itn, respectively. In other textbooks, for ease of understanding, these names are transliterated as 9inpw, 9imn, 9itm, and 9itn, respectively. Either way, they definitely do not use 3.
If one were to transliterate what Takahashi wrote, it would be [3timw]. My guess at pronunciation would be "At-ee-moo." If one were to pronounce the "3" as an "A" as tradition holds you to, it would be "Atimu" or "Ah-tee-moo" or possibly "Aa-tee-moo" which has no significant cultural meaning (unlike Atem/Atemu) and is just plain weird. And besides, the "Atimu" pronunciation is different from the "Atemu" pronunciation in katakana. Though if you want to use it, go right on ahead...
Now, as for some other debateable aspects of the Pharaoh's name... the "backing" for it. Both names point to the same primevoral god -- along with Temu, Tem, Tum, among others (because Egyptians didn't write vowels in hieroglyphics, combinations can be interesting...). If one were to type in the name "Atem" into some search engine on the internet, minus all YGO references, one gets links to various egyptology sites. However, if one were to do the same with Atemu, minus all YGO references, one mainly gets links to William Budge's translations and baby name sites. I would not trust baby name sites on ancient egyptian names. As for Budge's translation of "The Book of the Dead," there's debate in egyptology circles on Budge's translations (usually a Budge vs. Faulkner comparison).
As implied in the previous paragraph, "The Book of the Dead" (actually called Coming Forth by Day by Egyptians) mentions the god Atem/Atemu. Therefore meaning the hieroglyphs for Atem/Atemu are written down. Now, transliteration and translation of these hieroglyphs are your own study. I personally do not have a copy of all the hieroglyphs in Coming Forth by Day. I believe Budge's does, or at least some, and his work is on the web. (This is what the search for "Atemu" comes up with.) However, according to a YGO website, [shown below] the hieroglyphs in Coming Forth by Day for Atem/Atemu are not what Takahashi has written. If indeed, Takahashi meant to refer to this god, then he made a very bad mistake.
So that's it. Basically, "Atemu" was what Takahashi meant to write but messed up. I suppose that one can forgive Takahashi and say he meant to use Atemu, so use it; but for those that actually take the time and effort to learn this ancient language, in protest, use Atem.
Me (Madness)
"Okay, I think I've figured out something. I have my own theory on why he should be called "Atem" and not "Atemu". This is, of course, speculation, but if you simply look at it objectively, everything makes perfect logical sense. This involves my previous theory about Takahashi's poor English skills and Toboe's essay about the inaccuracies of the hieroglyphics on the katakana. It's kind of an extention of it. Toboe's was an explanation on why the hieroglyphs are unreliable, and mine's an explanation on why "Atem" is the better name. And I'm not meaning to disrespect or blame him or anything, I'm just looking at, based on pure logic, is probably what happened here.
There are obviously information sites on Ancient Egypt that are fully in Japanese. Since Takahashi can't speak or read English well, he probably gets all his info from Japanese sources with no English or romanji in it. That that would be where he gets all his info from, including the Egyptian names themselves. So here it is: What if he never intended it to be Atem or Atemu, but simply アテム? Just think about it. If he really does get all his Egypt info from a single Japanese site, he'd probably never even seen the name written out in English. Given this, it's entirely possible that he never even considered what the name would be spelled like in English. Because of this, when translating the name to put it on the cartouche, he directly translates the katakana "アテム" into the romanji "a-te-mu" and then translates that into hieroglyphics using his "children's book" (or whatever). This, coupled with Toboe's essay, is why the cartouche can't be trusted when trying to translate his name into English. The only things left are the phonetic pronounciation and the history of the names "Atem" and "Atemu". Simply looking at the pronounciation and the Japanese phonetic system, it's obvious it should be Atem, unless you want to revert to calling Malik "Mariku" and Pegasus "Pegasasu". As for the actual history and significance of the two names, like Toboe said, the only times you'll see the name Atemu in an actual historical context is in William Budge's translations of the Book of the Dead. Which, as Toboe said, is being debated. So, let's look at what we have here. We have Katakashi, who intended for the Pharaoh's name to be "アテム" and, according to my theory, didn't even think about what it would look like in English. We have extremely unreliable hieroglyphics stating "3timw". And we have William Budge using the name "Atemu" as a variant for Atum compared to pretty much all the other translators who don't even give the name "Atemu" a mention when talking about variants of the name "Atum" and almost always mention "Atem" as one.
So here's my theory in summary: The only name Takahashi really intended was アテム. All of the research he did was on Japanese sites or text. If he had done any research in English, he definitely would have seen the name "Atem" much more often than "Atemu". Most of the support for the name Atemu comes from the 5 characters on the cartouche, but the simple fact is that, no matter how you look at it, the hieroglyphs on the cartouche are inaccurate and unreliable. I'm not trying to state any of this as fact. It's just a theorized explanation for why "Atemu" (or 3timw) was written on the cartouche."
That's basically all the arguements for why the name should be romanized as Atem instead of Atem summed up in an essay and an essay-ish theory. Geg 23:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Since some people here might not want to go to an off-site link, here's the continuation of essays.
Yuki Ryu
"Pardon me; I made a typo in my last post. I had meant to spell "Atun" as "Atum".
The point that I was trying to make was that changing his name was exactly what you were doing. Because it has been deduced that the Egyptian god Atum inspired Atemu's name, a number of people have immediately come to the conclusion that Atemu's name is Atem, since that's one of the variant spellings Atum has. "Engrish" has fueled this theory, because of how U's and other vowels have been at times unnecessarily added to names or other words in different languages by the Japanese people.
However, what is overlooked is that are other alternate spellings Atum has, including Atem, Atmu, Tem, Temu, and Tum. Atmu is another very close spelling, so why wasn't the E thought of as the "Engrish" vowel? Isn't that as valid as calling him Atem?
There was also a god named Aten, with similar spelling to Atemu. What if that god was the original inspiration and not Atum? I don't believe Kazuki Takahashi ever stated where he got the inspiration for Atemu's name, so, really, it is up for interpretation. It could have been that he altered Aten's name instead of Atum's.Regardless, wouldn't it stand to reason that there are hieroglyphics out there of both gods and their various spellings? If so, and if Takahashi had meant to use Atum's name, why didn't he just copy the exact proper spelling?
The reason is, more than likely, that he had purposefully spelled Atemu's name as written. After all, didn't Kazuki Takahashi say in an interview once that he the inspiration for Seto's name was from the god Set? I've never seen anyone argue that Seto's real name is Set and that Engrish was used there. I've also never seen anyone argue whether or not Bakura's name was spelled accurately, and his name does not come even close to any known name back during the time of Ancient Egypt, whether belonging to a god or an ordinary human.
Yes, the spelling on the cartouche could quite possibly be historically inaccurate in terms of the actual Ancient Egypt. Kazuki Takahashi is by no means perfect, but I think it might be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt sometimes. After all Atemu's name has been a plot focal point for at least half of the story of Yu-Gi-Oh. It's rather disrespectful to say that he "did not do as much research as he should have" when it was obviously so central to his story. It is a known fact that he was fascinated by Egypt and its history, and obviously he learned a lot about it for his story, as you can see its influences everywhere.
Yes, even to the casual Ancient Egypt buff the entire story of Yu-Gi-Oh is filled with historical inaccuracies, but not because of ignorance. It's because this is a work of fiction, and the creator of this story has the right to make its reality be whatever he chooses it to be. The existence of Duel Monsters, or rather the monsters of Monsters and Wizards, in Ancient Egypt alone changes the entire history of Ancient Egypt as we know it in the real world. There are also other minor things that do not reflect real history, such as the priests weren't all shaved completely naked, and in fact, no one was running around naked as the Egyptians were wont to do at the time.
The bottom line is that the cartouche is accurate for the story of Yu-Gi-Oh! The will of the original creator is the most important thing to keep in mind, isn't it?
I hope this clarifies my perspective."
Madness
"Yeah, I thought that was a typo. I did a little research after that and couldn't find the name "Atun" anywhere. I had thought it was a varient of Aten, but I was wrong, obviously.
You definitely bring up some good points. Personally, I can't see "アテム" being a reference to any god except Atum. If he'd wanted the Pharaoh to be named after Aten, he would have written the name as "アテン". As I said, Takahashi would have to have gotten all his info from a Japanese source, so all the names would be written in Japanese, not English. Which is where he'd get アテム from.
As for the Set/Seto thing, I'm almost positive that he was talking about Seto Kaiba and not the Priest in that interview. The Priest's name could easily go either way, since セト is the Japanese phonetic equivalent to Set. Just like Aishisu -> Isis. And just as a side note, I did go looking for varients of Bakura's name about a year ago to see if I could find anything relating his name to that region. The closest thing I found was Bakra, a village in India, I think. But it's not from that region, so it doesn't really mean anything.
As for why he didn't simply write the hieroglyphs for "Atum" or "Atem" on the cartouche, I don't know. I found the hieroglyphs for his name here: http://www.egyptianmyths.net/atum.htm. This is where things just get confusing. I looked up some other names, and all the gods whose name started with an A began with the single reed, not the vulture. This is kind of getting into what Toboe Lonewolf talked about earlier. If Takahashi had done that much research, he'd have known that, but instead chose to use the vulture instead of the reed. That just boils it down to either A) He did it on purpose for some reason, like you said, or B) He didn't do enough research on hieroglyphs and god names, like Toboe Lonewolf said.
But yes, I know that most of the descrepencies between the show and actual history are due to the fact that the show is fictional. However, most of the names used during the Ancient Egypt arc (except for Bakura, which is Japanese, and Kisara, which is European I think) are either Egyptian or Middle Eastern. The thought that he would use "Atemu", which is basically a completely made up name, for the main character of the series just doesn't make much sense to me. I dunno. I never really realized how many different variables there were to the Atem/Atemu debate until this thread.
edit: Ack, I didn't read all of your post. You're definitely right, the cartouche is accurate for the story of Yu-Gi-Oh!. If Takahashi wanted to make hieroglyphs work differently in the Yu-Gi-Oh! universe, that's entirely possible. But that just raises the question of why. If Takahashi indeed knew the correct way to write the names in hieroglyphs, why did he write it incorrectly in the manga?"
Yuki Ryu
"Yes, Seto Kaiba was who Kazuki Takahashi was talking about in the interview, but he has the same name as Priest Seto so the point is basically the same.
Judging by the amount of knowledge that [Kazuki Takahashi]'s shown in the past, and the obvious alterations he has made, I am quite inclined to believe that it was on purpose. My theory as to why he made Atemu's name the way he did was to make it distinctly different from Atum. Maybe it was so no one thought that he was Atum reborn, or it was a preference he had. Who knows?
Some people dismiss things too easily, or believe one side's argument because they have apparently done a lot of research, which in turn spreads this one view of information around until it seems to be fact.
I think many of the names were chosen for a reason beyond the idea of picking names native for Egypt at the time. Chances are Seto, Bakura, and Isis all had the same names in the past as they did in the present, just with different spellings purposefully. It's similar to how Yami Bakura and Ryou Bakura both are referred to with different spellings of "Bakura". There could be other reasons as well.
There was a thread about the names of the Ancient Egypt cast on this forum if I remember right. I remember someone had mentioned a theory that Mahado's name was made because it was "Mado ha" rearranged, which is the name of the attack of the Black Magician. The name itself also seems to have Persian, Somalian, and Indian origins. The alternative spelling people have for him is Mahad, which has Islamic, Somalian, and Austrialian origins. Neither spelling seems to have any origins from Egypt itself.
Mana is name from many cultures: Persian, Polynesian, Hebrew, Native American, Norse, Greek, and apparently a number of places. I haven't found any place in Egypt this name comes from, however. The name also refers to energy, specifically mystical energy, which makes it an ideal name for the girl who would become Black Magician Girl. This also lends to the idea that Mahado was "Madoha" rearranged to be just as cleaver in regards to them having names relating to magic, in my opinion.
While I'm on the subject of name origins I'll go through as many names as I can think of for the others as well.
The origins for Bakura's name are Hebrew, (which, amusingly enough, is a girl's name in the Hebrew culture) Hindu, Arabic, and of course Japanese. Interestingly enough Bakura is also the name of a planet in Star Wars. Another interesting bit of information is that it is that Bakura's name may come from "Baku", which is the name for a city that has existed long enough to be mentioned in the Book of the Dead as "Bakhay" or "the mountain of Bakhou of the rising Sun". Since Ra is the god of the sun in Egypt, it could be that his name is a play on that mentioning with "Baku" for the name of the city and "Ra" for the rising sun.
The name Seto's origins are Japanese, Chinese, and Australian. The origin of Set I imagine would be too blatantly obvious to list. Seth is Hebrew and an alternate spelling of Set. However, as I said before, Kazuki Takahashi chose to name Seto "Seto" based off of Set, so he probably didn't look to real life here.
Karim is Arabic, Iranian, and Muslim. Karimu is Swahili (female). Kalimu is Mongolian. Kalim is Arabic and Muslim.
Shadi is Arabic, Persian, Native American, Iranian, Arabic, Persian, Muslim, Parsi (though as a female name), and Hebrew. Shada is Native American and Yoruban. In both places it's a female name, so it may in fact be that Kazuki did not pick that name as a real name to give to the character. He may have picked that name as an alternate spelling to Shadi.
Shimon is Hebrew. Interestingly enough it also has Biblical origins having to do with Egypt.
Kisara/Kisala is Japanese. To spice things up I'll mess around with some Engrish here. Ksara/Ksala is Sanskrit. Kisra is Islamic, Iranian, and Arabic. Kisla is Norse. Kisar is Indic, Babylonian, and Mesopotamian. Kisal is found as part of the name of Lugal-kisal-si of the third Egyptian Dynasty. Kisara could come from Kisaragi, which is basically February, but really the name itself doesn't seem to hold any specific meaning.
Aishizu and Ishizu don't exist as actual names, but Isis does, though it exists only in Egyptian origin.
Since I'm mentioning Isis, I might as well go a tad off-topic and mention Malik and Rishid too, after all they are descended from this line after all. Malik's name origin is Arabic, Islamic, Swahili, and Hebrew. The alternative spelling of his name, Marik, has origins in Japanese. It is also a variant spelling of other names in Czechoslovakian, Hungarian, Slovakian, Polish, Danish (female), and Latin (female).
Rishid's name's origins are Arabian and Islamic. Rishido, the alternate spelling, seems to not exist outside of the series. Possibly this name came from Rashid, which is Arabic, Persian, Swahili, and Iranian. It means "servant", which would match the meaning of Malik's name ("master") very well.
With Akunamukanon and Akunadin I couldn't find any trace of them, even in various modifications, so it might be safe to say that Kazuki Takahashi made them up outright or based them thinly off of other names. This one page seems to have some merit in regards to the possible reasoning behind their names: http://www.alltrees.org/anime/redgold/YGO.names.shtml
Last, but certainly not least, Atemu, which is Egyptian in origin and appears on a number of baby name websites, which means "Mythical great God of Annu." Atem, of course, is an alternate way to spell Atum.
Before I'm asked why I just went out of my way to Google a lot of seemingly random information about names, I will go ahead and state my point. My point is that there are a number of ways a name can be read as and almost all of them have some sort of meaning. They also have numerous origins, whether or not they stem from reality or Kazuki Takahashi's own ideas, and almost none of the names have any sort of root in Egypt itself.
Ironically Atemu, spelled as A-T-E-M-U is a real name in Egypt, which is used currently to name babies in the modern era. The only other name that can boast the same is Isis.
I think it might be safe to say that Atemu is the name Kazuki Takahashi intended to use. He may even have used this name specifically that has such widespread use in Modern times as the basis for the cartouche's symbols, which could explain why some people have pointed out that it seems to be historically inaccurate.
I apologize for how lengthy this post has become. I hope that all this information will be of some use to people."
Madness
"Wow, a lot of that was pretty educational.
First a bit of a side note: Tatsunoboshi Horoko explained the Ishizu/Aishisu thing to me a while back. The Japanese phonetic system allows two kinds of pronounciations: the spelling pronounciation and the phonetic pronounciation. "Ishizu" was written based off of the way the name "Isis" is spelled. "Aishisu" was written based off the way the name "Isis" is pronounced. Basically, they can use two different pronounciations to refer to the same basic name. While they're technically two different names in the Japanese version, when translated into English, they can both be translated to "Isis" which can cause a lot of confusion. The anime and the manga use "Ishizu" for the Ishtar and "Isis" for the Priestess, either out of ignorance of the Ishizu/Aishisu thing, or just to avoid confusion. I'm hoping it's just to avoid confusion.
And yeah, Atemu is found on a lot of baby name sites. I don't know how reliable those really are though.
Still, eh, I dunno. Like I said, there are just too many things to think about in the whole Atem/Atemu debate. Personally, I still believe Takahashi only intended the name to be アテム without considering its English spelling. Still... eh, it's just really hard to say. There's too much different stuff going on all at once."
Yuki Ryu
"Thank you.
I did not know that. That makes a lot of sense.
Sadly I think that they did it out of ignorance, if their usage of Mai "Shiranui" and insistence to change names to the ones 4Kids chose then flounder back and forth (like with Pegasus' names) doesn't put much faith in me for the Viz translations. 4Kids' translations, needless to say, are almost completely inaccurate.
As reliable as the other baby names they list I suppose.
Yes, Kazuki Takahashi might not have thought of the English spelling of Atemu's name. That doesn't mean that the name necessarily needs be changed into something different when translated into English, however."
Awfully informative thread this is.
I saw the episode and the name is "Atem". That's all. 71.111.215.224 16:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I personally think the "U" is a case of Engrish. I mean, look at Inuyasha: you have Souta, Kouga, Souten, and Kikyou. And then you have Sota, Koga, Soten, and Kikyo. It's simply an alternate spelling resulting from the confusion in the translation. Happens all the time, especially with "U" and "R/L". As such, I think we should do with the Atem/Atemu case what happened with the other English characters: use the Manga's version of the name, (whatever it may be, I haven't read the manga), and note the alternate spelling on the article. User: Drake Clawfang.
I ask you to look anywhere on the interent. EVERY forum and EVERY website EXCEPT FOR WIKIPEDIA spells the name "Atemu". What's the point of spelling it here how no one else spells it? -- ChaosSorcerer91 7:16 20 September 2006 (GMT)
Where are the God Cards at the time of Yugioh GX? Are they still in Yugi's deck, or did they vanish when Atemu went to the afterlife? I remember in the English anime when Yugi's deck was on tour, they simply said the God Cards would not be on the tour. Perhaps it is noteworthy to mention their existence, or non-existence, in Yugioh GX.
after the ceremonial battle the Pharoah left with his deck (i think, or it hasn't been mentioned), which had the 3 god cards in it. J.C. 06:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Should we make a second entry under this heading for Atem's deck in the Ceremonail Battle? I think it would make sense, seeing as how Yugi gets his own deck list as well.
How would it not be much? I'm thinking we make a second header there, listing the card Atem uses in the ceremonial battle.
How would it be a small amount of cards? Here's the list right now.
Monsters The Winged Dragon of Ra, Slifer the Sky Dragon, Obelisk the Tormentor, The Tricky, Swift Gaia the Fierce Knight, King's Knight, Queen's Knight, Jack's Knight, Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast, Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts, Berfomet, Beast of Gilfer, Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl,
Spells Rebellion, Bounce, Card of Sanctity, Tricky Spell 4, Pot of Greed, Polymerization, Awakening From Beyond, Dark Magic Curtain, Book of Secret Arts, Thousand Knives, Black Spear, Magicians Unite,
Traps Summoning Clock, Mirror Force, Dark Illusion,
There's the list, and it doesn't seem like a small amount to me.
I'll add in the list for now, and if you see fit to remove it, then very well, but I believe Atem's new deck should be noted.
Would anyone be adverse to listing his deck in GX as a seperate list? Drake Clawfang 22:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
In Chapter 34 of the English-language manga, Joey asks in concern, "Are you okay, Yugi? Do you need your insulin or something?". Does this mean Yugi is diabetic?
No he is just trying to say Yugi is weak -- 122.148.149.39 12:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
just asking but is yugi anorexic cause he looks really skinny yamiyugimokubakaiba 1/2/09
Actually, I remember an interview with Kazuki Takahashi stating that Yugi is in fact, diabetic, which is how he explained his short stature because supposedly diabetes affects growth, at least that's what Takahashi's thinking was when he made the character. I unfortunately haven't been able to find this article again because I read it years ago, so I'm afraid I can't offer much more help than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.132.172.187 ( talk) 22:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
While Yugi doesn't show signs of being a diabetic with high blood sugar or Diabetic Ketoacidosis, he does seem to show signs of Hypoglycemia, which is a type of type 1 diabetes that deals with issues with low blood sugar. Yugi has shown symptoms of these, including weakness, nervousness, shaking or trembling, rapid heartbeat, sweating, trouble sleeping and unclear thinking. Many of these major signs are clearly noted during the Shadow Game between Yugi and Pegasus at Duelist Kingdom, including passing out. Yugi has also showed slight signs after being drug to the basement of the Dark Clown game shop by Duke Devlin's father and seemed to be showing those very same signs when Joey asked Yugi, if he needed his insulin. Being that we don't see Yugi eating alot and Kazuki Takahashi states that Yugi's diabetes effects his growth stature, being that Hypoglycemia is the only kind of type 1 diabetes that does prevent growth, while Diabetic Ketoacidosis does not. 70.171.78.87 ( talk) 20:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC) Joey asking Yugi if he needed his insulin would not make sense, if Yugi did have Hypoglycemia, since insulin would decrease blood sugar, which would make Yugi's condition worse. This could lead to two things. Rather Kazuki Takahashi made an error and mistaken insulin for glucagon, since people with type 1 diabetes usually have Diabetic Ketoacidosis -who do need insulin- not Hypoglycemia, or Joey accidentally called Yugi's glucagon insulin. Though, since Kazuki Takahashi has not said anything about this, whether Yugi has Hypoglycemia or Diabetic Ketoacidosis, it is not clear why Joey would say insulin or if Yugi does have Hypoglycemia. This is only a guess based on the evidence shown in the manga and anime.
Hypoglycaemia is not a 'type' of Type 1 Diabetes, but a symptom of overdosing on insulin or poor nutritional state. As a sufferer of the condition, I can't say that I have heard anything to support the notion that diabetics tend to be shorter, but figures are so easy to manipulate that I wouldn't be suprised if someone were to show me a publication suggesting the contrary. As for Jonouchi making the mistake, believe me that this is extremely common. Without people being educated on the complexities of diabetes, they often believe that it's all about taking insulin OR having loads of sugar, without appreciating the fact that it concerns finding the balance between both. Anon 00:57, 13 December 2015 (GMT +0)
That was a thing Viz added to their translation. the original line is just "Yuugi, are you okay?" [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.19.14.79 ( talk) 00:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
References
To my knowledge, he usually goes under the name "Yami Yugi" or just "Yami" in the anime. Now, I'm not familiar with the manga. Is Yami referred to as "Dark Yugi" in the manga? -- Total Spaceship Guy 3 00:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I think he's called Dark Yugi in manga I have only got three and I just read the first one Dark spikey
Yugi Mutou and Dark Yugi (Pharaoh Atem) are opposite sides of the same soul as this quote from Ishizu suggests.
Ishizu says that maybe fate chose Yugi as the vessel for the Pharaoh's spirit not because he needed the Pharaoh's help, but because Yugi himself is the modern-day version of the Pharaoh, equal in every way. The two were brought together because they represent opposite sides of the same soul. (Japanese Ishizu says the vessel of the Pharaoh's soul must be equally strong. Yugi may have been small at first, but after carrying the Pharaoh's soul for so long, he's become strong.)
Marik starts to protest, but Ishizu finishes for him: they're so different from each other, because Yugi is shy and the Pharaoh is assertive and confident? The truth is, they each have a quality the other needed, so they learn from each other. (Japanese Marik says, Yugi? Ishizu says that humans who pass the tests can enlarge their vessel without limit.)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Episode 222, Part 2
Source: http://www.yu-jyo.net/005/222.html
-- 205.211.141.243 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC) Justin Thekkumthala
have you people ever think that atemu could still be a name but a nickname kind of thing?
idk yamiyugimokubakaiba 1/2/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
hey in the first episode when Jaden bumped into Yugi, Yugi's voice sounded like the Pharoah's. i know yugi's aged since the original yugioh, but what does that cameo mean? Does that mean Yami's back? J.C. 06:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I thought that meant that Yugi had grown up to look and sound like Atem. ~ Somebody else
Why is a single frame of him in GX included but not an entire series in R? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.162.18 ( talk) 09:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
which episode does yugi date tea? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.217.63 ( talk) 21:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Episdoe 53/ Season 1 Episode 4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.182.226.246 ( talk) 01:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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I notice we neglect to show any pictures of Yami Yugi in this article. So since Yugi and Yami Yugi share the same article there should be at least one, may we please add one?-- Zolo6 ( talk) 04:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
i agree yamiyugimokubakaiba 1/3/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I think we should add a piece about his personal growth? At the beginning of the manga and anime he was is very timid and weak while Yami is very dark and scary but by the end of the series Yugi is strong enough to beat Yami in a duel, and Yami is soft enough to cater to him after. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.71.107.148 ( talk) 21:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed that the article refers to the other characters by their 4!Kids dub names. I honestly think that it's better to refer to them by their original Japanese names, so I am going to edit the page and fix it and all. If anyone begs to differ, then I will change them back. 24.155.192.88 ( talk) 19:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
During the Battle City tournament it is considered that the dark magician is Yugi's best card and therefore if he loses he has to give it to his opponent. However surely Dark Magician of Chaos or Black Luster Soldier are considered better and/or rarer???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.24.120 ( talk) 03:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Who put Yugi's age at 11? It was made clear he was at high school age at the beginning of the manga. He is just a very short teenager. Actually, the entire age thing is totally wrong. To my knowledge the amount of years between YGO! and YGO! GX has not been stated. 02:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC) shisui2006 i think he is somewere in between but i dont read the manga i watch the anime 2 january 2009 yugiyamimokubakaina —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 16:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Does this kid have parents? And if not, what happened to them? 71.251.47.141 01:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we really need to have information about each and every duel in all its gory detail? The information isn't exactly encyclopedic. Plus, there are some parts that are inaccurate with respect to the actual CG.
Yugi's mother was shown in the Game Boy Advance game Yu-Gi-Oh! Dungeon Dice Monsters and as a versable opponent. J.C. 06:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe that in one of Mr. Takahashi's interviews for Shonen Jump, he says that Yugi's dad is a traveling salesman. Yugi's mom is shown in the manga. Also, she makes a brief appearance in the anime (one time when Yugi's grandpa is leaving the hospital after Duelist Kingdom, and another time in the Japanese version when Yugi is talking to Yami in his bedroom, she's just outside his room). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.95.111 ( talk) 04:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles. It would probably be better to wait for consensus there before re-reverting. -- Aponar Kestrel 08:07, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)
Second, shouldn't it be at Yugi Mutou instead (going by Japanese name)?
kelvSYC 01:17, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In the United States, the Yugioh manga in Shonen Jump uses "Yugi Mutou". WhisperToMe 03:11, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The following was moved from Talk:Sailor Moon.
When Japanese names are used in a Wikipedia article on a Japanese anime character that has a different name in the English anime, that is because the English manga keeps the Japanese name and romanizes it in a certain way. (For instance, the article on the main character of Yu-Gi-Oh! is at Yugi Mutou, not Yugi Moto or Yuugi Mutou) WhisperToMe 17:59, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
i always saw it being muto i couldnt find anything with moto or mutou ive always also seen his first name spelt as yugi yuhgi yamiyugimokubakaibai —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I took some time to cleanup the following area. I tried to include cards that have been played more than once, namely in important duels according to what has been shown on the show. Please, feel free to cleanup and edit accordingly. Just trying my best to make sure that it is easy to read and understand. - DrachenFyre 02:26, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Okay, supposedly when his deck gets stolen in Yugioh GX, it has Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning. Should those cards be added? User: Drake Clawfang, April 24 2006, 9:57 PM EST
I believe, personally, that we shouldn't list EVERY SINGLE CARD shown (played or not) for all the characters. These massive lists clutter up the article. I really believe that it should be culled for cards that are important to the storylines, i.e. Kuriboh and Multiply...Magical Hats and Dark Magician (naturally)...Spellbinding Circle and Book of Secret Arts. Honestly. - The One and Only 02:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
He did use the Seal of Orichalcos once. I don't know why people take that out. 71.111.215.224 15:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I've put SoO back in the list because he did use it once. Even if it was given to him, he did use it. 71.111.215.224 16:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Why does everybody take out the Seal of Orichalcos? He did use it! 71.111.215.224 16:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I know that. The Eye of Timeaus wasn't exactly in his deck either. But, he did use it. 71.111.215.224 21:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I put in Dark Magician of Chaos and Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning. True, we never Yugi use them per say, but they are in his deck in Yugioh GX. Plus, he never uses Winged Kuriboh either, but that's on the list (and I believe it should remain that way)
Well, that means that the Seal of Orichalcos should technically be included because he did use it out of desparation. But, I'll leave somebody else to add it. 71.111.232.40 22:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, the second's more of a theory than an essay. Now that the dub name has been revealed, the Atem/Atemu controversy has been sparked up again, and with it, sufficiant evidence for the name "Atemu" being a mere case of Engrish. The first was written by Toboe LoneWolf of Janime's forum and the second was written by myself. Here's the original thread: http://janime.netzgames.net/showthread.php?t=8374
Toboe LoneWolf
"So, the ever so famous Atem vs. Atemu debate.
I, here and now, will use "Atem" until the English manga comes out or until some Japanese, Egyptian, and English fluent person translates the pertinent chapter. This is because Takahashi screwed up royally using hieroglyphs for the Pharaoh's name. Yes, he does make mistakes. So, since he can't write in hieroglyphs and in proper ancient Egyptian context, I will use Takahashi's native language's pronunciation, which is "Atem." I do this in protest because of his disrespect for this ancient language.
If you're going to take Takahashi's hieroglyphs over Takahashi's Japanese (his native language), the hieroglyphs and the culture behind it should be flawless. Unfortunately, Takahashi has made some mistakes. Because of these mistakes, Takahashi's hieroglyphic rendering of the Pharaoh's name is not credible.
Theoretically one could excuse Takahashi's numerous mistakes. But to write in ignorance of this ancient language is disrespectful. The culture behind hieroglyphs is practically sacred and holy; the scribe was revered in Egypt. To mess up the writing is definitely unacceptable.
Pictures of Takahashi's writing of Yami's past name: http://www.janime.biz/manga/manga/333/05.jpg http://www.janime.biz/manga/manga/333/07.jpg
Now, I fight from the pronunciation standpoint. If you wish to debate over the actual lettering, forget this.
The Pharaoh's name written in Japanese is the katakana form, in which you cannot end any word in a consonant except for "n." In katakana, Takahashi wrote "Atemu," which in Japanese is pronounced as "Atem."
Now, as for Takahashi's hieroglyphic writing of the Pharaoh's name, Takahashi wrote [vulture][loaf of bread][single reed][owl][quail chick]. This is commonly (and incorrectly) translated as "[A][T][E][M][u]."
Many people have pointed their fingers at the quail chick, which is pronounced as a "oo" or "u," and say "HA! SEE! IT'S A 'U!' IT HAS TO BE ATEMU!"
First mistake: incorrect number of names. Pharaohs (by the 5th dynasty) actually had five names: the Horus Name, the Nebti (Two Ladies) name, the golden Horus name, the prenomen (throne name), and the nomen (birth name). Each was preceded by a glyph telling the reader which name it was. (See below for links about Pharaoh's names.)
Which name is Atem/Atemu? It could be the birthname, being that it is in a cartouche and does not have "Ra" in it; but Takahashi forgot to precede with "sa Ra" or "son of Ra" to denote this. Also, the nomen is simply the birth name; it was the prenomen that was predominately used in most affairs as king and Pharaoh. Each name is important and has religious and cultural significance; for Takahashi to not name them (especially since this is the first time it's being told to us) is culturally wrong. (Unless Takahashi's going to write a whole new series of the Pharaoh searching for the other four names...)
Second mistake: use of vowels. Egyptians did not write vowels. The fact that Takahashi tried writing them is wrong. The use of "vowels" in hieroglyphic writing came during the Greek conquest when Egyptians would translate Greek names such as "Ptolemy" or "Cleopatra" into Egyptian pronunciation. Since the Pharaoh is definitely not Greek and is also in the 18th dynasty as stated by Takahashi, the Pharaoh cannot have "vowels" in his name. All hieroglyphs are consonants; although the reed is transliterated as "i" it is a consonant, not a vowel. The "a," the "e," and the "u" should not even be in the hieroglyphic writing of the Pharaoh's name. It is said that the arabic language today only writes down consonants as well, except for long vowels. One could argue that the "a" and the "u" are like consonants, in that they are long vowels, but the "e" is most certainly not.
Third mistake: the single reed as "e." In all of my Egyptian books, I have never come across the connection that the single reed is a "e." Every single book I've read has told me it is an "i," pronounced as "ee." The "e" in the name Atem/Atemu has an "eh" sound to it-- not "ee." Only in a children's book have I seen a double reed as an "e." Since children's books are not reliable and tend to oversimplify, Takahashi has made yet another mistake.
Fourth mistake: the "a," or [vulture]. In children's books, I have seen the [vulture] translated into "A." However, this is wrong. Literally, the transliteration symbol for the vulture is "3" and its true pronunciation is a glottal stop. This is a brief closing of the windpipe, like a little cough. For example, the English Cockney pronunciation of "t" in "little bottle" -- kind of like "li'le bo'le." There are actually two glyphs for the sound of "a" -- the vulture and the forearm, transliteration symbols 3 and 9, respectively. The forearm's pronunciation is the arabic 'ayn, or guttural "ah." The 3 (vulture) is a softer or higher sound while the 9 (forearm) is a louder and lower "A." The 3, in order to get a strong "ah" sound, often needs another hieroglyph next to it, with the transliteration symbol h. The 9 can stand by itself.
Now, the names of Atem/Atemu require a strong "A" sound, not a muted/softer one. This requires the forearm, not the vulture. If Takahashi wanted to use the vulture, he needs to put another glyph. In some textbooks the Egyptian names of Anubis, Amun, Atum, and Aten are transliterated as inpw, imn, itm, and itn, respectively. In other textbooks, for ease of understanding, these names are transliterated as 9inpw, 9imn, 9itm, and 9itn, respectively. Either way, they definitely do not use 3.
If one were to transliterate what Takahashi wrote, it would be [3timw]. My guess at pronunciation would be "At-ee-moo." If one were to pronounce the "3" as an "A" as tradition holds you to, it would be "Atimu" or "Ah-tee-moo" or possibly "Aa-tee-moo" which has no significant cultural meaning (unlike Atem/Atemu) and is just plain weird. And besides, the "Atimu" pronunciation is different from the "Atemu" pronunciation in katakana. Though if you want to use it, go right on ahead...
Now, as for some other debateable aspects of the Pharaoh's name... the "backing" for it. Both names point to the same primevoral god -- along with Temu, Tem, Tum, among others (because Egyptians didn't write vowels in hieroglyphics, combinations can be interesting...). If one were to type in the name "Atem" into some search engine on the internet, minus all YGO references, one gets links to various egyptology sites. However, if one were to do the same with Atemu, minus all YGO references, one mainly gets links to William Budge's translations and baby name sites. I would not trust baby name sites on ancient egyptian names. As for Budge's translation of "The Book of the Dead," there's debate in egyptology circles on Budge's translations (usually a Budge vs. Faulkner comparison).
As implied in the previous paragraph, "The Book of the Dead" (actually called Coming Forth by Day by Egyptians) mentions the god Atem/Atemu. Therefore meaning the hieroglyphs for Atem/Atemu are written down. Now, transliteration and translation of these hieroglyphs are your own study. I personally do not have a copy of all the hieroglyphs in Coming Forth by Day. I believe Budge's does, or at least some, and his work is on the web. (This is what the search for "Atemu" comes up with.) However, according to a YGO website, [shown below] the hieroglyphs in Coming Forth by Day for Atem/Atemu are not what Takahashi has written. If indeed, Takahashi meant to refer to this god, then he made a very bad mistake.
So that's it. Basically, "Atemu" was what Takahashi meant to write but messed up. I suppose that one can forgive Takahashi and say he meant to use Atemu, so use it; but for those that actually take the time and effort to learn this ancient language, in protest, use Atem.
Me (Madness)
"Okay, I think I've figured out something. I have my own theory on why he should be called "Atem" and not "Atemu". This is, of course, speculation, but if you simply look at it objectively, everything makes perfect logical sense. This involves my previous theory about Takahashi's poor English skills and Toboe's essay about the inaccuracies of the hieroglyphics on the katakana. It's kind of an extention of it. Toboe's was an explanation on why the hieroglyphs are unreliable, and mine's an explanation on why "Atem" is the better name. And I'm not meaning to disrespect or blame him or anything, I'm just looking at, based on pure logic, is probably what happened here.
There are obviously information sites on Ancient Egypt that are fully in Japanese. Since Takahashi can't speak or read English well, he probably gets all his info from Japanese sources with no English or romanji in it. That that would be where he gets all his info from, including the Egyptian names themselves. So here it is: What if he never intended it to be Atem or Atemu, but simply アテム? Just think about it. If he really does get all his Egypt info from a single Japanese site, he'd probably never even seen the name written out in English. Given this, it's entirely possible that he never even considered what the name would be spelled like in English. Because of this, when translating the name to put it on the cartouche, he directly translates the katakana "アテム" into the romanji "a-te-mu" and then translates that into hieroglyphics using his "children's book" (or whatever). This, coupled with Toboe's essay, is why the cartouche can't be trusted when trying to translate his name into English. The only things left are the phonetic pronounciation and the history of the names "Atem" and "Atemu". Simply looking at the pronounciation and the Japanese phonetic system, it's obvious it should be Atem, unless you want to revert to calling Malik "Mariku" and Pegasus "Pegasasu". As for the actual history and significance of the two names, like Toboe said, the only times you'll see the name Atemu in an actual historical context is in William Budge's translations of the Book of the Dead. Which, as Toboe said, is being debated. So, let's look at what we have here. We have Katakashi, who intended for the Pharaoh's name to be "アテム" and, according to my theory, didn't even think about what it would look like in English. We have extremely unreliable hieroglyphics stating "3timw". And we have William Budge using the name "Atemu" as a variant for Atum compared to pretty much all the other translators who don't even give the name "Atemu" a mention when talking about variants of the name "Atum" and almost always mention "Atem" as one.
So here's my theory in summary: The only name Takahashi really intended was アテム. All of the research he did was on Japanese sites or text. If he had done any research in English, he definitely would have seen the name "Atem" much more often than "Atemu". Most of the support for the name Atemu comes from the 5 characters on the cartouche, but the simple fact is that, no matter how you look at it, the hieroglyphs on the cartouche are inaccurate and unreliable. I'm not trying to state any of this as fact. It's just a theorized explanation for why "Atemu" (or 3timw) was written on the cartouche."
That's basically all the arguements for why the name should be romanized as Atem instead of Atem summed up in an essay and an essay-ish theory. Geg 23:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Since some people here might not want to go to an off-site link, here's the continuation of essays.
Yuki Ryu
"Pardon me; I made a typo in my last post. I had meant to spell "Atun" as "Atum".
The point that I was trying to make was that changing his name was exactly what you were doing. Because it has been deduced that the Egyptian god Atum inspired Atemu's name, a number of people have immediately come to the conclusion that Atemu's name is Atem, since that's one of the variant spellings Atum has. "Engrish" has fueled this theory, because of how U's and other vowels have been at times unnecessarily added to names or other words in different languages by the Japanese people.
However, what is overlooked is that are other alternate spellings Atum has, including Atem, Atmu, Tem, Temu, and Tum. Atmu is another very close spelling, so why wasn't the E thought of as the "Engrish" vowel? Isn't that as valid as calling him Atem?
There was also a god named Aten, with similar spelling to Atemu. What if that god was the original inspiration and not Atum? I don't believe Kazuki Takahashi ever stated where he got the inspiration for Atemu's name, so, really, it is up for interpretation. It could have been that he altered Aten's name instead of Atum's.Regardless, wouldn't it stand to reason that there are hieroglyphics out there of both gods and their various spellings? If so, and if Takahashi had meant to use Atum's name, why didn't he just copy the exact proper spelling?
The reason is, more than likely, that he had purposefully spelled Atemu's name as written. After all, didn't Kazuki Takahashi say in an interview once that he the inspiration for Seto's name was from the god Set? I've never seen anyone argue that Seto's real name is Set and that Engrish was used there. I've also never seen anyone argue whether or not Bakura's name was spelled accurately, and his name does not come even close to any known name back during the time of Ancient Egypt, whether belonging to a god or an ordinary human.
Yes, the spelling on the cartouche could quite possibly be historically inaccurate in terms of the actual Ancient Egypt. Kazuki Takahashi is by no means perfect, but I think it might be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt sometimes. After all Atemu's name has been a plot focal point for at least half of the story of Yu-Gi-Oh. It's rather disrespectful to say that he "did not do as much research as he should have" when it was obviously so central to his story. It is a known fact that he was fascinated by Egypt and its history, and obviously he learned a lot about it for his story, as you can see its influences everywhere.
Yes, even to the casual Ancient Egypt buff the entire story of Yu-Gi-Oh is filled with historical inaccuracies, but not because of ignorance. It's because this is a work of fiction, and the creator of this story has the right to make its reality be whatever he chooses it to be. The existence of Duel Monsters, or rather the monsters of Monsters and Wizards, in Ancient Egypt alone changes the entire history of Ancient Egypt as we know it in the real world. There are also other minor things that do not reflect real history, such as the priests weren't all shaved completely naked, and in fact, no one was running around naked as the Egyptians were wont to do at the time.
The bottom line is that the cartouche is accurate for the story of Yu-Gi-Oh! The will of the original creator is the most important thing to keep in mind, isn't it?
I hope this clarifies my perspective."
Madness
"Yeah, I thought that was a typo. I did a little research after that and couldn't find the name "Atun" anywhere. I had thought it was a varient of Aten, but I was wrong, obviously.
You definitely bring up some good points. Personally, I can't see "アテム" being a reference to any god except Atum. If he'd wanted the Pharaoh to be named after Aten, he would have written the name as "アテン". As I said, Takahashi would have to have gotten all his info from a Japanese source, so all the names would be written in Japanese, not English. Which is where he'd get アテム from.
As for the Set/Seto thing, I'm almost positive that he was talking about Seto Kaiba and not the Priest in that interview. The Priest's name could easily go either way, since セト is the Japanese phonetic equivalent to Set. Just like Aishisu -> Isis. And just as a side note, I did go looking for varients of Bakura's name about a year ago to see if I could find anything relating his name to that region. The closest thing I found was Bakra, a village in India, I think. But it's not from that region, so it doesn't really mean anything.
As for why he didn't simply write the hieroglyphs for "Atum" or "Atem" on the cartouche, I don't know. I found the hieroglyphs for his name here: http://www.egyptianmyths.net/atum.htm. This is where things just get confusing. I looked up some other names, and all the gods whose name started with an A began with the single reed, not the vulture. This is kind of getting into what Toboe Lonewolf talked about earlier. If Takahashi had done that much research, he'd have known that, but instead chose to use the vulture instead of the reed. That just boils it down to either A) He did it on purpose for some reason, like you said, or B) He didn't do enough research on hieroglyphs and god names, like Toboe Lonewolf said.
But yes, I know that most of the descrepencies between the show and actual history are due to the fact that the show is fictional. However, most of the names used during the Ancient Egypt arc (except for Bakura, which is Japanese, and Kisara, which is European I think) are either Egyptian or Middle Eastern. The thought that he would use "Atemu", which is basically a completely made up name, for the main character of the series just doesn't make much sense to me. I dunno. I never really realized how many different variables there were to the Atem/Atemu debate until this thread.
edit: Ack, I didn't read all of your post. You're definitely right, the cartouche is accurate for the story of Yu-Gi-Oh!. If Takahashi wanted to make hieroglyphs work differently in the Yu-Gi-Oh! universe, that's entirely possible. But that just raises the question of why. If Takahashi indeed knew the correct way to write the names in hieroglyphs, why did he write it incorrectly in the manga?"
Yuki Ryu
"Yes, Seto Kaiba was who Kazuki Takahashi was talking about in the interview, but he has the same name as Priest Seto so the point is basically the same.
Judging by the amount of knowledge that [Kazuki Takahashi]'s shown in the past, and the obvious alterations he has made, I am quite inclined to believe that it was on purpose. My theory as to why he made Atemu's name the way he did was to make it distinctly different from Atum. Maybe it was so no one thought that he was Atum reborn, or it was a preference he had. Who knows?
Some people dismiss things too easily, or believe one side's argument because they have apparently done a lot of research, which in turn spreads this one view of information around until it seems to be fact.
I think many of the names were chosen for a reason beyond the idea of picking names native for Egypt at the time. Chances are Seto, Bakura, and Isis all had the same names in the past as they did in the present, just with different spellings purposefully. It's similar to how Yami Bakura and Ryou Bakura both are referred to with different spellings of "Bakura". There could be other reasons as well.
There was a thread about the names of the Ancient Egypt cast on this forum if I remember right. I remember someone had mentioned a theory that Mahado's name was made because it was "Mado ha" rearranged, which is the name of the attack of the Black Magician. The name itself also seems to have Persian, Somalian, and Indian origins. The alternative spelling people have for him is Mahad, which has Islamic, Somalian, and Austrialian origins. Neither spelling seems to have any origins from Egypt itself.
Mana is name from many cultures: Persian, Polynesian, Hebrew, Native American, Norse, Greek, and apparently a number of places. I haven't found any place in Egypt this name comes from, however. The name also refers to energy, specifically mystical energy, which makes it an ideal name for the girl who would become Black Magician Girl. This also lends to the idea that Mahado was "Madoha" rearranged to be just as cleaver in regards to them having names relating to magic, in my opinion.
While I'm on the subject of name origins I'll go through as many names as I can think of for the others as well.
The origins for Bakura's name are Hebrew, (which, amusingly enough, is a girl's name in the Hebrew culture) Hindu, Arabic, and of course Japanese. Interestingly enough Bakura is also the name of a planet in Star Wars. Another interesting bit of information is that it is that Bakura's name may come from "Baku", which is the name for a city that has existed long enough to be mentioned in the Book of the Dead as "Bakhay" or "the mountain of Bakhou of the rising Sun". Since Ra is the god of the sun in Egypt, it could be that his name is a play on that mentioning with "Baku" for the name of the city and "Ra" for the rising sun.
The name Seto's origins are Japanese, Chinese, and Australian. The origin of Set I imagine would be too blatantly obvious to list. Seth is Hebrew and an alternate spelling of Set. However, as I said before, Kazuki Takahashi chose to name Seto "Seto" based off of Set, so he probably didn't look to real life here.
Karim is Arabic, Iranian, and Muslim. Karimu is Swahili (female). Kalimu is Mongolian. Kalim is Arabic and Muslim.
Shadi is Arabic, Persian, Native American, Iranian, Arabic, Persian, Muslim, Parsi (though as a female name), and Hebrew. Shada is Native American and Yoruban. In both places it's a female name, so it may in fact be that Kazuki did not pick that name as a real name to give to the character. He may have picked that name as an alternate spelling to Shadi.
Shimon is Hebrew. Interestingly enough it also has Biblical origins having to do with Egypt.
Kisara/Kisala is Japanese. To spice things up I'll mess around with some Engrish here. Ksara/Ksala is Sanskrit. Kisra is Islamic, Iranian, and Arabic. Kisla is Norse. Kisar is Indic, Babylonian, and Mesopotamian. Kisal is found as part of the name of Lugal-kisal-si of the third Egyptian Dynasty. Kisara could come from Kisaragi, which is basically February, but really the name itself doesn't seem to hold any specific meaning.
Aishizu and Ishizu don't exist as actual names, but Isis does, though it exists only in Egyptian origin.
Since I'm mentioning Isis, I might as well go a tad off-topic and mention Malik and Rishid too, after all they are descended from this line after all. Malik's name origin is Arabic, Islamic, Swahili, and Hebrew. The alternative spelling of his name, Marik, has origins in Japanese. It is also a variant spelling of other names in Czechoslovakian, Hungarian, Slovakian, Polish, Danish (female), and Latin (female).
Rishid's name's origins are Arabian and Islamic. Rishido, the alternate spelling, seems to not exist outside of the series. Possibly this name came from Rashid, which is Arabic, Persian, Swahili, and Iranian. It means "servant", which would match the meaning of Malik's name ("master") very well.
With Akunamukanon and Akunadin I couldn't find any trace of them, even in various modifications, so it might be safe to say that Kazuki Takahashi made them up outright or based them thinly off of other names. This one page seems to have some merit in regards to the possible reasoning behind their names: http://www.alltrees.org/anime/redgold/YGO.names.shtml
Last, but certainly not least, Atemu, which is Egyptian in origin and appears on a number of baby name websites, which means "Mythical great God of Annu." Atem, of course, is an alternate way to spell Atum.
Before I'm asked why I just went out of my way to Google a lot of seemingly random information about names, I will go ahead and state my point. My point is that there are a number of ways a name can be read as and almost all of them have some sort of meaning. They also have numerous origins, whether or not they stem from reality or Kazuki Takahashi's own ideas, and almost none of the names have any sort of root in Egypt itself.
Ironically Atemu, spelled as A-T-E-M-U is a real name in Egypt, which is used currently to name babies in the modern era. The only other name that can boast the same is Isis.
I think it might be safe to say that Atemu is the name Kazuki Takahashi intended to use. He may even have used this name specifically that has such widespread use in Modern times as the basis for the cartouche's symbols, which could explain why some people have pointed out that it seems to be historically inaccurate.
I apologize for how lengthy this post has become. I hope that all this information will be of some use to people."
Madness
"Wow, a lot of that was pretty educational.
First a bit of a side note: Tatsunoboshi Horoko explained the Ishizu/Aishisu thing to me a while back. The Japanese phonetic system allows two kinds of pronounciations: the spelling pronounciation and the phonetic pronounciation. "Ishizu" was written based off of the way the name "Isis" is spelled. "Aishisu" was written based off the way the name "Isis" is pronounced. Basically, they can use two different pronounciations to refer to the same basic name. While they're technically two different names in the Japanese version, when translated into English, they can both be translated to "Isis" which can cause a lot of confusion. The anime and the manga use "Ishizu" for the Ishtar and "Isis" for the Priestess, either out of ignorance of the Ishizu/Aishisu thing, or just to avoid confusion. I'm hoping it's just to avoid confusion.
And yeah, Atemu is found on a lot of baby name sites. I don't know how reliable those really are though.
Still, eh, I dunno. Like I said, there are just too many things to think about in the whole Atem/Atemu debate. Personally, I still believe Takahashi only intended the name to be アテム without considering its English spelling. Still... eh, it's just really hard to say. There's too much different stuff going on all at once."
Yuki Ryu
"Thank you.
I did not know that. That makes a lot of sense.
Sadly I think that they did it out of ignorance, if their usage of Mai "Shiranui" and insistence to change names to the ones 4Kids chose then flounder back and forth (like with Pegasus' names) doesn't put much faith in me for the Viz translations. 4Kids' translations, needless to say, are almost completely inaccurate.
As reliable as the other baby names they list I suppose.
Yes, Kazuki Takahashi might not have thought of the English spelling of Atemu's name. That doesn't mean that the name necessarily needs be changed into something different when translated into English, however."
Awfully informative thread this is.
I saw the episode and the name is "Atem". That's all. 71.111.215.224 16:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I personally think the "U" is a case of Engrish. I mean, look at Inuyasha: you have Souta, Kouga, Souten, and Kikyou. And then you have Sota, Koga, Soten, and Kikyo. It's simply an alternate spelling resulting from the confusion in the translation. Happens all the time, especially with "U" and "R/L". As such, I think we should do with the Atem/Atemu case what happened with the other English characters: use the Manga's version of the name, (whatever it may be, I haven't read the manga), and note the alternate spelling on the article. User: Drake Clawfang.
I ask you to look anywhere on the interent. EVERY forum and EVERY website EXCEPT FOR WIKIPEDIA spells the name "Atemu". What's the point of spelling it here how no one else spells it? -- ChaosSorcerer91 7:16 20 September 2006 (GMT)
Where are the God Cards at the time of Yugioh GX? Are they still in Yugi's deck, or did they vanish when Atemu went to the afterlife? I remember in the English anime when Yugi's deck was on tour, they simply said the God Cards would not be on the tour. Perhaps it is noteworthy to mention their existence, or non-existence, in Yugioh GX.
after the ceremonial battle the Pharoah left with his deck (i think, or it hasn't been mentioned), which had the 3 god cards in it. J.C. 06:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Should we make a second entry under this heading for Atem's deck in the Ceremonail Battle? I think it would make sense, seeing as how Yugi gets his own deck list as well.
How would it not be much? I'm thinking we make a second header there, listing the card Atem uses in the ceremonial battle.
How would it be a small amount of cards? Here's the list right now.
Monsters The Winged Dragon of Ra, Slifer the Sky Dragon, Obelisk the Tormentor, The Tricky, Swift Gaia the Fierce Knight, King's Knight, Queen's Knight, Jack's Knight, Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast, Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts, Berfomet, Beast of Gilfer, Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl,
Spells Rebellion, Bounce, Card of Sanctity, Tricky Spell 4, Pot of Greed, Polymerization, Awakening From Beyond, Dark Magic Curtain, Book of Secret Arts, Thousand Knives, Black Spear, Magicians Unite,
Traps Summoning Clock, Mirror Force, Dark Illusion,
There's the list, and it doesn't seem like a small amount to me.
I'll add in the list for now, and if you see fit to remove it, then very well, but I believe Atem's new deck should be noted.
Would anyone be adverse to listing his deck in GX as a seperate list? Drake Clawfang 22:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
In Chapter 34 of the English-language manga, Joey asks in concern, "Are you okay, Yugi? Do you need your insulin or something?". Does this mean Yugi is diabetic?
No he is just trying to say Yugi is weak -- 122.148.149.39 12:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
just asking but is yugi anorexic cause he looks really skinny yamiyugimokubakaiba 1/2/09
Actually, I remember an interview with Kazuki Takahashi stating that Yugi is in fact, diabetic, which is how he explained his short stature because supposedly diabetes affects growth, at least that's what Takahashi's thinking was when he made the character. I unfortunately haven't been able to find this article again because I read it years ago, so I'm afraid I can't offer much more help than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.132.172.187 ( talk) 22:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
While Yugi doesn't show signs of being a diabetic with high blood sugar or Diabetic Ketoacidosis, he does seem to show signs of Hypoglycemia, which is a type of type 1 diabetes that deals with issues with low blood sugar. Yugi has shown symptoms of these, including weakness, nervousness, shaking or trembling, rapid heartbeat, sweating, trouble sleeping and unclear thinking. Many of these major signs are clearly noted during the Shadow Game between Yugi and Pegasus at Duelist Kingdom, including passing out. Yugi has also showed slight signs after being drug to the basement of the Dark Clown game shop by Duke Devlin's father and seemed to be showing those very same signs when Joey asked Yugi, if he needed his insulin. Being that we don't see Yugi eating alot and Kazuki Takahashi states that Yugi's diabetes effects his growth stature, being that Hypoglycemia is the only kind of type 1 diabetes that does prevent growth, while Diabetic Ketoacidosis does not. 70.171.78.87 ( talk) 20:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC) Joey asking Yugi if he needed his insulin would not make sense, if Yugi did have Hypoglycemia, since insulin would decrease blood sugar, which would make Yugi's condition worse. This could lead to two things. Rather Kazuki Takahashi made an error and mistaken insulin for glucagon, since people with type 1 diabetes usually have Diabetic Ketoacidosis -who do need insulin- not Hypoglycemia, or Joey accidentally called Yugi's glucagon insulin. Though, since Kazuki Takahashi has not said anything about this, whether Yugi has Hypoglycemia or Diabetic Ketoacidosis, it is not clear why Joey would say insulin or if Yugi does have Hypoglycemia. This is only a guess based on the evidence shown in the manga and anime.
Hypoglycaemia is not a 'type' of Type 1 Diabetes, but a symptom of overdosing on insulin or poor nutritional state. As a sufferer of the condition, I can't say that I have heard anything to support the notion that diabetics tend to be shorter, but figures are so easy to manipulate that I wouldn't be suprised if someone were to show me a publication suggesting the contrary. As for Jonouchi making the mistake, believe me that this is extremely common. Without people being educated on the complexities of diabetes, they often believe that it's all about taking insulin OR having loads of sugar, without appreciating the fact that it concerns finding the balance between both. Anon 00:57, 13 December 2015 (GMT +0)
That was a thing Viz added to their translation. the original line is just "Yuugi, are you okay?" [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.19.14.79 ( talk) 00:53, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
References
To my knowledge, he usually goes under the name "Yami Yugi" or just "Yami" in the anime. Now, I'm not familiar with the manga. Is Yami referred to as "Dark Yugi" in the manga? -- Total Spaceship Guy 3 00:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I think he's called Dark Yugi in manga I have only got three and I just read the first one Dark spikey
Yugi Mutou and Dark Yugi (Pharaoh Atem) are opposite sides of the same soul as this quote from Ishizu suggests.
Ishizu says that maybe fate chose Yugi as the vessel for the Pharaoh's spirit not because he needed the Pharaoh's help, but because Yugi himself is the modern-day version of the Pharaoh, equal in every way. The two were brought together because they represent opposite sides of the same soul. (Japanese Ishizu says the vessel of the Pharaoh's soul must be equally strong. Yugi may have been small at first, but after carrying the Pharaoh's soul for so long, he's become strong.)
Marik starts to protest, but Ishizu finishes for him: they're so different from each other, because Yugi is shy and the Pharaoh is assertive and confident? The truth is, they each have a quality the other needed, so they learn from each other. (Japanese Marik says, Yugi? Ishizu says that humans who pass the tests can enlarge their vessel without limit.)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Episode 222, Part 2
Source: http://www.yu-jyo.net/005/222.html
-- 205.211.141.243 14:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC) Justin Thekkumthala
have you people ever think that atemu could still be a name but a nickname kind of thing?
idk yamiyugimokubakaiba 1/2/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
hey in the first episode when Jaden bumped into Yugi, Yugi's voice sounded like the Pharoah's. i know yugi's aged since the original yugioh, but what does that cameo mean? Does that mean Yami's back? J.C. 06:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I thought that meant that Yugi had grown up to look and sound like Atem. ~ Somebody else
Why is a single frame of him in GX included but not an entire series in R? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.162.18 ( talk) 09:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
which episode does yugi date tea? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.217.63 ( talk) 21:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Episdoe 53/ Season 1 Episode 4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.182.226.246 ( talk) 01:13, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 21:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I notice we neglect to show any pictures of Yami Yugi in this article. So since Yugi and Yami Yugi share the same article there should be at least one, may we please add one?-- Zolo6 ( talk) 04:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
i agree yamiyugimokubakaiba 1/3/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamiyugimokubakaiba ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I think we should add a piece about his personal growth? At the beginning of the manga and anime he was is very timid and weak while Yami is very dark and scary but by the end of the series Yugi is strong enough to beat Yami in a duel, and Yami is soft enough to cater to him after. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.71.107.148 ( talk) 21:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed that the article refers to the other characters by their 4!Kids dub names. I honestly think that it's better to refer to them by their original Japanese names, so I am going to edit the page and fix it and all. If anyone begs to differ, then I will change them back. 24.155.192.88 ( talk) 19:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
During the Battle City tournament it is considered that the dark magician is Yugi's best card and therefore if he loses he has to give it to his opponent. However surely Dark Magician of Chaos or Black Luster Soldier are considered better and/or rarer???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.24.120 ( talk) 03:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)