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"Richard intercepted the young king, who also was on his way to London, whom his Woodville relatives."
It was probably supposed to end with "were escorting to London for his coronation as Edward V." Deviantgoods ( talk) 19:05, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi 72.204.15.86,
I notice you replaced the statement that Alice Camoys was the daughter of Thomas de Camoys, 1st Baron Camoys, by his first wife, Elizabeth Louches, the daughter and heiress of William Louches. However that's what the sources cited in the article state, i.e. that Alice was the daughter of Baron Camoys' first marriage, and that his first wife was Elizabeth Louches. I've therefore put those details back. If you have other reliable sources which state the contrary, please post them here so that the article can be revised according to those reliable sources, or a note inserted stating the disagreement among reliable sources on that point. NinaGreen ( talk) 17:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
NinaGreen "Added material back to article (it's significant in terms of family connections, and there should be discussion on the Talk page before deletion"
Articles are added to Wikipedia if the subject is notable (which means for historical biographies are historically notable). Wikipedia is not a random collection of facts ( WP:NOT). Under what criteria does the unrelated second wife of this man's paternal grandfather warrant inclusion in this article? -- PBS ( talk) 17:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
After the death of Edward IV on 9 April 1483, the Dowager Queen appointed family members to key positions and rushed to expedite the coronation of her young son Edward V as king, circumventing Richard, Duke of Gloucester, whom the late king had appointed Lord Protector.
That should be allegedly appointed.
There was only Richard's word that his brother had nominated. There was no trace of any proof the King chose him, official or otherwise *.
Besides which, Edward did not expect sudden death and his son once old enough could immediately succeed; as indeed he did -- acknowledged at once by Richard in York Minster. The first Royal Council after the event was split between Hastings urging Richard as Protector and the rest for a quick coronation, which was what was decided.
The Woodvilles had just as much right as Richard to be regents: he was an uncle, they were mother and uncle.
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The usurper, after arresting some people and repeatedly postponing Edward's coronation, then began murdering some other people and discovered that either the King ( or the King's father according to choice ) was a bastard, and therefore however reluctantly, no-one more surprised than himself, Richard was the only legitimate heir. The King was locked up with his brother, and not heard of again.
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He was not a good protector.
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Claverhouse ( talk) 12:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
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"Richard intercepted the young king, who also was on his way to London, whom his Woodville relatives."
It was probably supposed to end with "were escorting to London for his coronation as Edward V." Deviantgoods ( talk) 19:05, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi 72.204.15.86,
I notice you replaced the statement that Alice Camoys was the daughter of Thomas de Camoys, 1st Baron Camoys, by his first wife, Elizabeth Louches, the daughter and heiress of William Louches. However that's what the sources cited in the article state, i.e. that Alice was the daughter of Baron Camoys' first marriage, and that his first wife was Elizabeth Louches. I've therefore put those details back. If you have other reliable sources which state the contrary, please post them here so that the article can be revised according to those reliable sources, or a note inserted stating the disagreement among reliable sources on that point. NinaGreen ( talk) 17:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
NinaGreen "Added material back to article (it's significant in terms of family connections, and there should be discussion on the Talk page before deletion"
Articles are added to Wikipedia if the subject is notable (which means for historical biographies are historically notable). Wikipedia is not a random collection of facts ( WP:NOT). Under what criteria does the unrelated second wife of this man's paternal grandfather warrant inclusion in this article? -- PBS ( talk) 17:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
After the death of Edward IV on 9 April 1483, the Dowager Queen appointed family members to key positions and rushed to expedite the coronation of her young son Edward V as king, circumventing Richard, Duke of Gloucester, whom the late king had appointed Lord Protector.
That should be allegedly appointed.
There was only Richard's word that his brother had nominated. There was no trace of any proof the King chose him, official or otherwise *.
Besides which, Edward did not expect sudden death and his son once old enough could immediately succeed; as indeed he did -- acknowledged at once by Richard in York Minster. The first Royal Council after the event was split between Hastings urging Richard as Protector and the rest for a quick coronation, which was what was decided.
The Woodvilles had just as much right as Richard to be regents: he was an uncle, they were mother and uncle.
.
The usurper, after arresting some people and repeatedly postponing Edward's coronation, then began murdering some other people and discovered that either the King ( or the King's father according to choice ) was a bastard, and therefore however reluctantly, no-one more surprised than himself, Richard was the only legitimate heir. The King was locked up with his brother, and not heard of again.
.
He was not a good protector.
.
Claverhouse ( talk) 12:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)