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The prose (which I originally wrote for Western tulku) is important to the page because it highlights things essential to understanding the phenomenon at hand. That is, the basis in Buddhist philosophy, the root in Tibetan kingship, and the markedly political function of the tulku system.
Perhaps more importantly, the prose written by Skyerise ( talk · contribs) is not an improvement. In particular, this passage
While the recognition of tulkus began within Tibetan cultural regions, it eventually extended to include foreign tulkus, contributing to diplomatic relationships, as exemplified by the recognition of the 4th Dalai Lama from the Mongol Altan Khan's lineage.
is pure
WP:EDITORIALIZING (complete with "while.") What originally described the primary political function
of Altan Khan's recognition that allowed
Tibet to build a closer relationship with the Mongol
Yuan Dynasty
now serves to imply the universality and culturally inert nature of the tulku system -- something not in the original sources.
There are indeed massive portions of prose shared between Western tulku and Tulku, but this is due to an attempted unilateral merge against consensus. If any revision is needed, the WP:UNDUE weight given to Western tulkus on the latter page should be excised. Tryin to make a change :-/ 18:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
If Reginald Ray really mispells Shakyamuni, then I'd suggest he is not a source we should be quoting. Skyerise ( talk) 21:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a main article at Tulku. Shouldn't the general material at Western tulku § Background be reduced to a summary? Skyerise ( talk) 16:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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The prose (which I originally wrote for Western tulku) is important to the page because it highlights things essential to understanding the phenomenon at hand. That is, the basis in Buddhist philosophy, the root in Tibetan kingship, and the markedly political function of the tulku system.
Perhaps more importantly, the prose written by Skyerise ( talk · contribs) is not an improvement. In particular, this passage
While the recognition of tulkus began within Tibetan cultural regions, it eventually extended to include foreign tulkus, contributing to diplomatic relationships, as exemplified by the recognition of the 4th Dalai Lama from the Mongol Altan Khan's lineage.
is pure
WP:EDITORIALIZING (complete with "while.") What originally described the primary political function
of Altan Khan's recognition that allowed
Tibet to build a closer relationship with the Mongol
Yuan Dynasty
now serves to imply the universality and culturally inert nature of the tulku system -- something not in the original sources.
There are indeed massive portions of prose shared between Western tulku and Tulku, but this is due to an attempted unilateral merge against consensus. If any revision is needed, the WP:UNDUE weight given to Western tulkus on the latter page should be excised. Tryin to make a change :-/ 18:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
If Reginald Ray really mispells Shakyamuni, then I'd suggest he is not a source we should be quoting. Skyerise ( talk) 21:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a main article at Tulku. Shouldn't the general material at Western tulku § Background be reduced to a summary? Skyerise ( talk) 16:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)