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Please work out your differences here instead of reverting. Remember to ensure that the article presents a neutral point of view, cites verifiable information backed up with reliable sources, and that you avoid incivility and, especially personal attacks. · Katefan0 (scribble)/ poll 05:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Mr. Sweeton has not edited for a while. The article could definitely be expanded. I am suggesting unprotection and banning Mr. Sweeton if there are any more issues with vandalism on his end. Calwatch 09:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
WNRI has an effective radiated power of 2,500 watts during the day, and 18 watts at night. Any advertiser who does his homework can look at WNRI's record on the FCC's website and see that. WNRI finds this fact to be extremely inconvenient because advertisers know that an 18-watt night signal won't get their message out as far as they'd like. Wikipedia is not here to help WNRI sell advertising.
Furthermore, let's compare coverage maps. Radio engineering 101 tells you that the signal strengths that should be measured on an AM station's coverage map are:
- 2.5 mV/m (The area where the station comes in good enough to be heard on just about any radio)
- 0.5 mV/m (The area where you'll need a really good radio or really good antenna to pick up the station)
- 0.2 mV/m (The area where the station might be heard here and there but is basically a lost cause regardless of equipment)
WNRI's website has a coverage map here, and while it is correct from an engineering standpoint, the map only shows the 0.5 and 0.2 mV/m coverage areas (the map says so on the bottom), because those are the only areas that include Providence. If the WNRI coverage map showed the 2.5 mV/m coverage area like it should, you'd notice that it comes nowhere close to Providence. This is a coverage map of WNRI that shows all three areas and is drawn based on engineering data provided to the FCC, which by law has to be accurate. Notice that the 2.5 mV/m area misses Providence. WNRI doesn't want to show that coverage area on their own maps because it wouldn't look as good to advertisers. So therefore, adding "Providence" to the article is purely to make the station look more attractive to a potential advertiser. Again, Wikipedia is not here to help WNRI sell advertising.
I can verify that User:J.sweeton@wnri.com is indeed an employee of the station, as I've met him personally once. I don't think he's doing this to be spiteful, I think he's doing it because management is asking him to. Radio is a very cut-throat business and most station managers believe that ANY publicity is bad publicity, especially when the publicity includes facts that could be detrimental to selling advertising. Wikipedia does not need to be concerned with WNRI's ability or inability to sell advertising. -- Analogdemon ( talk) 13:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Management didn't ask me to do anything. I removed the reference about the 18 watts because I DIDN'T want management to see it. Drop the ERP references and I'll drop the Providence references.
Jerry G. Sweeton Jr.
- It doesn't work that way. The ERP is a relevant fact. Whether or not management will like the fact is not relevant to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and contains facts the topics written about. The 2,500 Watts Day/18 Watts Night is a fact, relevant to WNRI, and therefore it stays. Mentioning Providence is a falsehood so therefore it should not be there. Apparently the two admins agree too as you have been asked by others to stop removing information from Wikipedia. And for you to admit that you don't want management to see 18 watts proves my entire point. What you do or do not want management to see has nothing to do with Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, Jerry. Not a repository for you to make WNRI look good or bad. Thanks! -- Analogdemon ( talk) 15:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Then why haven't you put ERP on the other radio stations Jay? Is it because you are doing work for D.R.? Let me break it down in very simple terms. Management doesn't know about this. If management sees this I could LOSE MY JOB! Is that the aim of this? To get me fired? --Jerry G. Sweeton Jr.-- PS It is very hard for me to take you seriously Jay, when yo continue to hide behind a pseudonym.
- It's unfortunate that your employer would hold something like that over your head, but verifiable information shouldn't be removed just because it makes something or someone look bad. Wikipedia isn't for whitewashing, it's not a propaganda or advertising tool. On the other hand, we also have to ensure that we're being fair. Does WNRI advertise that they cover Providence? If they do, then we can mention it that way. Also, please sign your comments using four tildes in a row ~~~~. That will automatically fill out your username and a time and date stamp. ·
Katefan0
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poll 17:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'd also say that, as it regards articles on other stations, if you think there is pertinent information that needs to be included in other articles, by all means, feel free to edit them, as long as the information meets Wikipedia's policies on fairness and sourcing. · Katefan0 (scribble)/ poll 02:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I can definitely say that WNRI does not broadcast that they cover Providence. Their top-of-the-hour ID is purely "WNRI Woonsocket". And Jerry, again, I am not Jay. My name is Shawn. I am a friend of Jay and Jason's from WPEP. I was there one afternoon with them when you came by to fix the computer or something. I remember you. That's how I know who you are. Nobody is trying to get you fired. But the fact that WNRI has that power was put there by someone other than you or me, and it's verifiable information and therefore should never be removed. Why would Bouchard not know about 18 watts at night? Didn't he look at that kind of stuff before he bought the station from Anastos? If not, then that's his own fault. -- Analogdemon ( talk) 19:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's unfortunate that your employer would hold something like that over your head, but verifiable information shouldn't be removed just because it makes something or someone look bad. Wikipedia isn't for whitewashing, it's not a propaganda or advertising tool. On the other hand, we also have to ensure that we're being fair. Does WNRI advertise that they cover Providence? If they do, then we can mention it that way. Also, please sign your comments using four tildes in a row ~~~~. That will automatically fill out your username and a time and date stamp. ·
Katefan0
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Could be expanded greatly. Spelling cleanups, links to the syndicated programs WNRI runs, etc. Calwatch 09:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Protected ages ago and no significant discussion. -- Tony Sidaway 03:24, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Do whatever you have to do, but please keep an eye on it. Mr. Sweeton is very persistent. Haikupoet 03:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
The station now seems to be broadcasting on 1290kHz at 10kW (day/night). WRNI in the FCC AM station database. AlexDW 15:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- You have the wrong radio station. Jerry G. Sweeton Jr. 18:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- Walshin, Lydia (2007-05-01).
"Sound Bites". Rhode Island Monthly.
In its first nine months on the air (WNRI 1380 AM), the program has reached into every corner of Rhode Island's food universe, from markets to farms, restaurants to home kitchens. The Jen behind the microphone is Jennifer Huntley-Corbin, whose resume includes actress, restaurant cook, produce wholesaler, radio talk show host, producer, entrepreneur — and mother of two (Emma, age nine, and Zöe, age two). Before putting together her first show in September 2006, Jen didn't know her way around a radio studio, but she definitely knew her way around a kitchen. Born in New York City to parents who were adventurous eaters and travelers, Jen learned to love cooking at a young age. When she was a teenager, the family moved to Nashua, New Hampshire, where Jen's mother ran a cafe in a local arts center, and Jen worked in the kitchen, making soups and quiches.
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Please work out your differences here instead of reverting. Remember to ensure that the article presents a neutral point of view, cites verifiable information backed up with reliable sources, and that you avoid incivility and, especially personal attacks. · Katefan0 (scribble)/ poll 05:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Mr. Sweeton has not edited for a while. The article could definitely be expanded. I am suggesting unprotection and banning Mr. Sweeton if there are any more issues with vandalism on his end. Calwatch 09:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
WNRI has an effective radiated power of 2,500 watts during the day, and 18 watts at night. Any advertiser who does his homework can look at WNRI's record on the FCC's website and see that. WNRI finds this fact to be extremely inconvenient because advertisers know that an 18-watt night signal won't get their message out as far as they'd like. Wikipedia is not here to help WNRI sell advertising.
Furthermore, let's compare coverage maps. Radio engineering 101 tells you that the signal strengths that should be measured on an AM station's coverage map are:
- 2.5 mV/m (The area where the station comes in good enough to be heard on just about any radio)
- 0.5 mV/m (The area where you'll need a really good radio or really good antenna to pick up the station)
- 0.2 mV/m (The area where the station might be heard here and there but is basically a lost cause regardless of equipment)
WNRI's website has a coverage map here, and while it is correct from an engineering standpoint, the map only shows the 0.5 and 0.2 mV/m coverage areas (the map says so on the bottom), because those are the only areas that include Providence. If the WNRI coverage map showed the 2.5 mV/m coverage area like it should, you'd notice that it comes nowhere close to Providence. This is a coverage map of WNRI that shows all three areas and is drawn based on engineering data provided to the FCC, which by law has to be accurate. Notice that the 2.5 mV/m area misses Providence. WNRI doesn't want to show that coverage area on their own maps because it wouldn't look as good to advertisers. So therefore, adding "Providence" to the article is purely to make the station look more attractive to a potential advertiser. Again, Wikipedia is not here to help WNRI sell advertising.
I can verify that User:J.sweeton@wnri.com is indeed an employee of the station, as I've met him personally once. I don't think he's doing this to be spiteful, I think he's doing it because management is asking him to. Radio is a very cut-throat business and most station managers believe that ANY publicity is bad publicity, especially when the publicity includes facts that could be detrimental to selling advertising. Wikipedia does not need to be concerned with WNRI's ability or inability to sell advertising. -- Analogdemon ( talk) 13:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Management didn't ask me to do anything. I removed the reference about the 18 watts because I DIDN'T want management to see it. Drop the ERP references and I'll drop the Providence references.
Jerry G. Sweeton Jr.
- It doesn't work that way. The ERP is a relevant fact. Whether or not management will like the fact is not relevant to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and contains facts the topics written about. The 2,500 Watts Day/18 Watts Night is a fact, relevant to WNRI, and therefore it stays. Mentioning Providence is a falsehood so therefore it should not be there. Apparently the two admins agree too as you have been asked by others to stop removing information from Wikipedia. And for you to admit that you don't want management to see 18 watts proves my entire point. What you do or do not want management to see has nothing to do with Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, Jerry. Not a repository for you to make WNRI look good or bad. Thanks! -- Analogdemon ( talk) 15:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Then why haven't you put ERP on the other radio stations Jay? Is it because you are doing work for D.R.? Let me break it down in very simple terms. Management doesn't know about this. If management sees this I could LOSE MY JOB! Is that the aim of this? To get me fired? --Jerry G. Sweeton Jr.-- PS It is very hard for me to take you seriously Jay, when yo continue to hide behind a pseudonym.
- It's unfortunate that your employer would hold something like that over your head, but verifiable information shouldn't be removed just because it makes something or someone look bad. Wikipedia isn't for whitewashing, it's not a propaganda or advertising tool. On the other hand, we also have to ensure that we're being fair. Does WNRI advertise that they cover Providence? If they do, then we can mention it that way. Also, please sign your comments using four tildes in a row ~~~~. That will automatically fill out your username and a time and date stamp. ·
Katefan0
(scribble)/
poll 17:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'd also say that, as it regards articles on other stations, if you think there is pertinent information that needs to be included in other articles, by all means, feel free to edit them, as long as the information meets Wikipedia's policies on fairness and sourcing. · Katefan0 (scribble)/ poll 02:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- I can definitely say that WNRI does not broadcast that they cover Providence. Their top-of-the-hour ID is purely "WNRI Woonsocket". And Jerry, again, I am not Jay. My name is Shawn. I am a friend of Jay and Jason's from WPEP. I was there one afternoon with them when you came by to fix the computer or something. I remember you. That's how I know who you are. Nobody is trying to get you fired. But the fact that WNRI has that power was put there by someone other than you or me, and it's verifiable information and therefore should never be removed. Why would Bouchard not know about 18 watts at night? Didn't he look at that kind of stuff before he bought the station from Anastos? If not, then that's his own fault. -- Analogdemon ( talk) 19:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's unfortunate that your employer would hold something like that over your head, but verifiable information shouldn't be removed just because it makes something or someone look bad. Wikipedia isn't for whitewashing, it's not a propaganda or advertising tool. On the other hand, we also have to ensure that we're being fair. Does WNRI advertise that they cover Providence? If they do, then we can mention it that way. Also, please sign your comments using four tildes in a row ~~~~. That will automatically fill out your username and a time and date stamp. ·
Katefan0
(scribble)/
poll 17:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Could be expanded greatly. Spelling cleanups, links to the syndicated programs WNRI runs, etc. Calwatch 09:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Protected ages ago and no significant discussion. -- Tony Sidaway 03:24, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- Do whatever you have to do, but please keep an eye on it. Mr. Sweeton is very persistent. Haikupoet 03:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
The station now seems to be broadcasting on 1290kHz at 10kW (day/night). WRNI in the FCC AM station database. AlexDW 15:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- You have the wrong radio station. Jerry G. Sweeton Jr. 18:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- Walshin, Lydia (2007-05-01).
"Sound Bites". Rhode Island Monthly.
In its first nine months on the air (WNRI 1380 AM), the program has reached into every corner of Rhode Island's food universe, from markets to farms, restaurants to home kitchens. The Jen behind the microphone is Jennifer Huntley-Corbin, whose resume includes actress, restaurant cook, produce wholesaler, radio talk show host, producer, entrepreneur — and mother of two (Emma, age nine, and Zöe, age two). Before putting together her first show in September 2006, Jen didn't know her way around a radio studio, but she definitely knew her way around a kitchen. Born in New York City to parents who were adventurous eaters and travelers, Jen learned to love cooking at a young age. When she was a teenager, the family moved to Nashua, New Hampshire, where Jen's mother ran a cafe in a local arts center, and Jen worked in the kitchen, making soups and quiches.
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