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Review by basically everyone who has some authority in this subject: doi:10.1016/S1474-4422(15)00009-5 JFW | T@lk 14:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
This "Whiplash has been studied as a major contributor to VAD [1]" is based on a primary source of 8 cases and adds little to what is already in the article. Thus moved here for discussion. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
…and consider if the statement is accurate or not. Is use of the word "predispose" here standard, and best practice? Predispose in ordinary language means to make susceptible. Is this correct here — that having migraines or an aortic root aneurism makes people susceptible? I.e., is it indeed the case, that a longitudinal study was done of migraine and aortic aneurism groups, and in these groups, a higher than control group number of VADs were found later to have accrued?
* "Presence of an aneurysm of the aortic root and a history of migraine may predispose to vertebral artery dissection."
Otherwise, apart from such a study, I think the best that can be said is "correlated", even if at some point the single review might have said predisposed. (This seems to be either a misstatement what the literature cited states, or perhaps a poor construction in that source.)
Moreover, relative to other possible language possible, use of "predispose" seems, overly much, to imply "causality." I could imagine various underlying (genetic, traumatic) causes giving rise to all three, but would like to see citation of evidence that the migraine or the aneurism has a causal connection to the VAD.
Cheers, leave it your capable (medical) hands. Le Prof 71.201.62.200 ( talk) 04:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
This revert just deleted a secondary source from 2016 [1]. The explanation for the revert was that "Cureus is a new and open access source". I do not see any Wikipedia policy that suggests that new journals, or open-access journals are not reliable. The journal is peer-reviewed, has an editorial board of medical doctors and scientists and is indexed in Medline and the review was written by medical doctors. There is no impact factor yet as Cureus is indeed new, but again, I see no policy that rejects a mainstream medical source based on impact factor. Perhaps most importantly, the conclusions of the new systematic review in Cureus are consistent with the previously most recent secondary source on the topic [2] and is not being used to make any new or bold claims, it just summarized what is already known. At this point, there are zero secondary sources published in the past 5 years that are suggesting a causational relationship, yet we keep this idea of causation in the article as noteworthy based on a 6 year old primary source by Ernst? I would suggest that if an older (>5 years) primary source from Ernst is ok to use here to suggest causation (when all other current sources suggest this is a reach) so is a brand new secondary source written by medical researchers/neurosurgeons that suggests otherwise and is consistent with all other recent sources. 2001:56A:75B7:9B00:F155:3651:86CD:A6E4 ( talk) 17:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Journal has no impact factor per http://cofactorscience.com/blog/journal/cureus so agree it is not sufficient. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Jytdog, I think that adding the quote was a good idea with this edit, however, I am more partial to the wording I used over your wording for the text. I prefer "has been suggested" rather than "may be", but this may just be my personal academic writing style moreso than what is actually correct. Just commenting with my thoughts. 2001:56A:75B7:9B00:4525:C63F:8995:A572 ( talk) 04:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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Review by basically everyone who has some authority in this subject: doi:10.1016/S1474-4422(15)00009-5 JFW | T@lk 14:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
This "Whiplash has been studied as a major contributor to VAD [1]" is based on a primary source of 8 cases and adds little to what is already in the article. Thus moved here for discussion. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 23:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
…and consider if the statement is accurate or not. Is use of the word "predispose" here standard, and best practice? Predispose in ordinary language means to make susceptible. Is this correct here — that having migraines or an aortic root aneurism makes people susceptible? I.e., is it indeed the case, that a longitudinal study was done of migraine and aortic aneurism groups, and in these groups, a higher than control group number of VADs were found later to have accrued?
* "Presence of an aneurysm of the aortic root and a history of migraine may predispose to vertebral artery dissection."
Otherwise, apart from such a study, I think the best that can be said is "correlated", even if at some point the single review might have said predisposed. (This seems to be either a misstatement what the literature cited states, or perhaps a poor construction in that source.)
Moreover, relative to other possible language possible, use of "predispose" seems, overly much, to imply "causality." I could imagine various underlying (genetic, traumatic) causes giving rise to all three, but would like to see citation of evidence that the migraine or the aneurism has a causal connection to the VAD.
Cheers, leave it your capable (medical) hands. Le Prof 71.201.62.200 ( talk) 04:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
This revert just deleted a secondary source from 2016 [1]. The explanation for the revert was that "Cureus is a new and open access source". I do not see any Wikipedia policy that suggests that new journals, or open-access journals are not reliable. The journal is peer-reviewed, has an editorial board of medical doctors and scientists and is indexed in Medline and the review was written by medical doctors. There is no impact factor yet as Cureus is indeed new, but again, I see no policy that rejects a mainstream medical source based on impact factor. Perhaps most importantly, the conclusions of the new systematic review in Cureus are consistent with the previously most recent secondary source on the topic [2] and is not being used to make any new or bold claims, it just summarized what is already known. At this point, there are zero secondary sources published in the past 5 years that are suggesting a causational relationship, yet we keep this idea of causation in the article as noteworthy based on a 6 year old primary source by Ernst? I would suggest that if an older (>5 years) primary source from Ernst is ok to use here to suggest causation (when all other current sources suggest this is a reach) so is a brand new secondary source written by medical researchers/neurosurgeons that suggests otherwise and is consistent with all other recent sources. 2001:56A:75B7:9B00:F155:3651:86CD:A6E4 ( talk) 17:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Journal has no impact factor per http://cofactorscience.com/blog/journal/cureus so agree it is not sufficient. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Jytdog, I think that adding the quote was a good idea with this edit, however, I am more partial to the wording I used over your wording for the text. I prefer "has been suggested" rather than "may be", but this may just be my personal academic writing style moreso than what is actually correct. Just commenting with my thoughts. 2001:56A:75B7:9B00:4525:C63F:8995:A572 ( talk) 04:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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