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There's no real dispute about the information I cite. There a few contradictory interviews given by Shooter while he was still in charge at Valiant, but those can be discounted as standard flacking, mostly insisting that the Nintendo and WWF books were selling successfully. There's really no question that the Nintendo/WWF losses drove a wedge between Shooter and his backers -- Shooter doesn't really argue this point, but says that he shouldn't have been blamed for the failure of other parts of the company, especially those run by Massarsky, for doing enough to exploit the properties outside the direct market. He also says that one reason Massarsky escaped blame was that he was hooked up romantically with a high-placed girlfriend at the venture capital firm, who covered for him. While Triumph was right or wrong to blame Shooter, nobody claims they didn't blame him. Shooter himself is a source for the "resisting the sale" point -- he didn't want to bloat the comics line, to temporarily boost revenues and market share at the expense of the line's long-term health. (He was right, too; sometimes you get fired for being right.) And the description of Layton's post-Shooter position comes from Layton, who probably knows what his job was. N. Caligon 19:37, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
It states that certain Acclaim characters were re-imaginings of Valiant characters, yet the same characters appear in both the originals list and recreations lists. How exactly are they differentiated? MSJapan 06:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
"The Valiant characters are often called the most important of those created after the Marvel revolution in the 1960s" - who said that ? And is that still a widely held view with hindsight ? -- Beardo 19:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Joe (current editor in chief of Marvel Comics) Quesada said that. I would agree too.
I would also add that even if someone said it, it is not said "often".
I think wording like "have been" rather than "often" would sound a little less fanboyish. The article that quote is taken from is informative but a little over the top on the pro-valiant bit. -- Impulse 05:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Right, an anonymous user replaced the link with the edit comment "The writer of the FAQ called them that". I'm going to place my comments about this here so others can comment.
Finally, I may have inadvertently found the ultimate source of the quote. He has one other article written on sequart.com: The Ten Most Important Comic Books of the 1990s. In the text for his number one comic: "In the editorial, VALIANT's Editor in Chief, Jim Shooter, tells us that the book we hold in our hands is the most important since Avengers #1." It's not exact, but it's close. Of course, if it's the ultimate source I say the quote goes altogether. Why? Because it's the company's founder, editor-in-chief, and writer of that particular issue calling his own comic that important. It's like if I wrote a play and called it "the most important work since Shakespeare". Would you believe me? Of course not. If he is the ultimate source, I'd say it's the same deal.
Now, you tell me: why should it currently stay as the source? -- g026r 05:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Staff information
This is just a curious question, but has anyone here ever considered giving a list of the creative staff for each of the books? Not on the main page, but on each individual page? an example of what I mean would be something along the lines of: Harbinger 1-?, written by Jim Shooter, pencils by David Lapham, ect... The point is that the creative staff for series are being ignored except in minor mentions such as Shooter, Layton, Vanhook, Hall, BWS. I think it would be a good idea to create this and I am readying to do this. Thoughts? Writersblock81 18:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I pulled this:
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This section under cultural impact
"Futurama: Another Matt Groening creation, this animated television sitcom includes Zapp Brannigan, an arrogant general, who wears a costume nearly identical to the one worn by Magnus Robot Fighter. The primary female character of the show, Leela, shares a similar name with Magnus' love interest, Leeja."
I believe someone is reading too much into coincidences while looking for cultural impacts. Zapp Brannigan is based on Captain James T. Kirk from the original Star Trek which has been clearly documented, not Magnus Robot Fighter. Matt Groening and Billy West described Zapp as 40% Kirk and 60% William Shatner, with no mention of Magnus or any other comic character.
I move this section of 'Cultural Impact' be deleted. Xbriskox ( talk) 15:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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Is it really necessary that all the pages for the Valiant contains contain listings of the creative teams? IchiGhost ( talk) 19:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Valiant unveiled a new company logo late April 2012 just prior to the new X-O Manowar's issue 1 release. I added this information several days ago but was told to cite my source, and I have added a source link. I don't understand why Wikipedia missed out on this, and don't understand why this had to be questioned when whoever was checking my edit should have just looked up themselves to find any link as it is all over the internet anyways. Plus, the logo should be updated on the main Valiant page itself as Wikipedia is still using the 2007 style logo.
On April 23, 2012 a new logo featuring the iconic Valiant compass with a large "V" was unveiled, designed by award-winning graphic designer Rian Hughes. [1] [[User:QueenOfSwords| QueenOfSwords ( talk) 21:01, 19 May 2012 ]]
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This article is tagged to death. Are they all needed? Asking for citations proving that characters in a line of comics appearing in other titles first? Asking for citations about the physical laws like Newton's Laws of Motion existing in the Valiant universe? WP:NOCITE says that citations are to be used when information is doubtful. Who thinks these are doubtful? AlbinoFerret ( talk) 00:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
There's a whole era of Valiant missing form this article, both in the history and in the lists of comics titles: their pre-hero titles. They had a line of WWF wrestling comics (Battlemania, Lifestyles of the Brutal & Infamous, etc.), and of Nintendo licenses (Super Mario Brothers, Link, Nintendo Comics System, etc.) I'm not going to write it up myself (I have an arguable conflict of interest), but it should be reflected here. Some of the info can be gleaned from the publisher listing at comics.org. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 23:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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There's no real dispute about the information I cite. There a few contradictory interviews given by Shooter while he was still in charge at Valiant, but those can be discounted as standard flacking, mostly insisting that the Nintendo and WWF books were selling successfully. There's really no question that the Nintendo/WWF losses drove a wedge between Shooter and his backers -- Shooter doesn't really argue this point, but says that he shouldn't have been blamed for the failure of other parts of the company, especially those run by Massarsky, for doing enough to exploit the properties outside the direct market. He also says that one reason Massarsky escaped blame was that he was hooked up romantically with a high-placed girlfriend at the venture capital firm, who covered for him. While Triumph was right or wrong to blame Shooter, nobody claims they didn't blame him. Shooter himself is a source for the "resisting the sale" point -- he didn't want to bloat the comics line, to temporarily boost revenues and market share at the expense of the line's long-term health. (He was right, too; sometimes you get fired for being right.) And the description of Layton's post-Shooter position comes from Layton, who probably knows what his job was. N. Caligon 19:37, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
It states that certain Acclaim characters were re-imaginings of Valiant characters, yet the same characters appear in both the originals list and recreations lists. How exactly are they differentiated? MSJapan 06:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
"The Valiant characters are often called the most important of those created after the Marvel revolution in the 1960s" - who said that ? And is that still a widely held view with hindsight ? -- Beardo 19:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Joe (current editor in chief of Marvel Comics) Quesada said that. I would agree too.
I would also add that even if someone said it, it is not said "often".
I think wording like "have been" rather than "often" would sound a little less fanboyish. The article that quote is taken from is informative but a little over the top on the pro-valiant bit. -- Impulse 05:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Right, an anonymous user replaced the link with the edit comment "The writer of the FAQ called them that". I'm going to place my comments about this here so others can comment.
Finally, I may have inadvertently found the ultimate source of the quote. He has one other article written on sequart.com: The Ten Most Important Comic Books of the 1990s. In the text for his number one comic: "In the editorial, VALIANT's Editor in Chief, Jim Shooter, tells us that the book we hold in our hands is the most important since Avengers #1." It's not exact, but it's close. Of course, if it's the ultimate source I say the quote goes altogether. Why? Because it's the company's founder, editor-in-chief, and writer of that particular issue calling his own comic that important. It's like if I wrote a play and called it "the most important work since Shakespeare". Would you believe me? Of course not. If he is the ultimate source, I'd say it's the same deal.
Now, you tell me: why should it currently stay as the source? -- g026r 05:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Staff information
This is just a curious question, but has anyone here ever considered giving a list of the creative staff for each of the books? Not on the main page, but on each individual page? an example of what I mean would be something along the lines of: Harbinger 1-?, written by Jim Shooter, pencils by David Lapham, ect... The point is that the creative staff for series are being ignored except in minor mentions such as Shooter, Layton, Vanhook, Hall, BWS. I think it would be a good idea to create this and I am readying to do this. Thoughts? Writersblock81 18:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I pulled this:
from George Caragonne, if anybody wants to use it... Trekphiler ( talk) 15:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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"Futurama: Another Matt Groening creation, this animated television sitcom includes Zapp Brannigan, an arrogant general, who wears a costume nearly identical to the one worn by Magnus Robot Fighter. The primary female character of the show, Leela, shares a similar name with Magnus' love interest, Leeja."
I believe someone is reading too much into coincidences while looking for cultural impacts. Zapp Brannigan is based on Captain James T. Kirk from the original Star Trek which has been clearly documented, not Magnus Robot Fighter. Matt Groening and Billy West described Zapp as 40% Kirk and 60% William Shatner, with no mention of Magnus or any other comic character.
I move this section of 'Cultural Impact' be deleted. Xbriskox ( talk) 15:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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Is it really necessary that all the pages for the Valiant contains contain listings of the creative teams? IchiGhost ( talk) 19:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Valiant unveiled a new company logo late April 2012 just prior to the new X-O Manowar's issue 1 release. I added this information several days ago but was told to cite my source, and I have added a source link. I don't understand why Wikipedia missed out on this, and don't understand why this had to be questioned when whoever was checking my edit should have just looked up themselves to find any link as it is all over the internet anyways. Plus, the logo should be updated on the main Valiant page itself as Wikipedia is still using the 2007 style logo.
On April 23, 2012 a new logo featuring the iconic Valiant compass with a large "V" was unveiled, designed by award-winning graphic designer Rian Hughes. [1] [[User:QueenOfSwords| QueenOfSwords ( talk) 21:01, 19 May 2012 ]]
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There's a whole era of Valiant missing form this article, both in the history and in the lists of comics titles: their pre-hero titles. They had a line of WWF wrestling comics (Battlemania, Lifestyles of the Brutal & Infamous, etc.), and of Nintendo licenses (Super Mario Brothers, Link, Nintendo Comics System, etc.) I'm not going to write it up myself (I have an arguable conflict of interest), but it should be reflected here. Some of the info can be gleaned from the publisher listing at comics.org. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 23:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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