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Article is waiting for noteworthiness. See you in about four months. Wikchard ( talk) 04:48, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Is there any thing available about TrailHead USA and Frontier Service Corps? It would be nice to have any information about them besides they existed for the background section. Spshu ( talk) 18:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Can someone with topic experience clarify the lead? It currently says 'irrespective of religion, race, national origin or socio-economic status', yet the lead also says "christian", furthermore the group's faq is very clear, no Jews or Mormons allowed. It appears to me the last statement of the lead is false. Dave ( talk) 18:49, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Thus, according to our membership standards, Jewish churches and organizations would be precluded from chartering Trail Life USA troops. And those of the Jewish faith would indeed be precluded as adult leaders based on their beliefs. However, a Jewish youth could join.
Addressing particularly the revision of <15:10, 10 June 2014 Spshu>, the "Program" section is mislabeled in that previous versions don't discuss the Trail Life program, but rather talk about age demographics, salutes, oath, and an extraneous reference to a TX troop that renamed its wooden car derby. None of this is the "Trail Life Program". More recent edits have attempted to better categorize these things into "Troop organization", "Identifying features", and actual "Program". New material identifying examples of the Trail Life Program (activities) is primary-sourced for lack of secondary sources, but the nature of these primary citations is not so suspect that the material being referenced should be suppressed to the detriment of the article content. From an encyclopedic standpoint, the article is much stronger and informative with the primarily-sourced material included than to omit it while waiting for secondary sources to appear. We want Wikipedia to be useful and informative and it is easily shown by thousands of examples that Wikipedia clearly tolerates primary citation sources elsewhere. I suggest that rather than continuing to suppress noncontroversial material which strengthens the article, a banner be installed calling for better citations if they exist, while allowing the material to persist so that other editors can improve upon it. Regarding the deletion of the reference to the renaming of a wooden car derby, that isolated event is far from representative of the the organization's "program", whereas the examples given in later edits are multi-unit activities that are indicative of the Trail Life national program. ⁃ Fire wall 23:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
"Why continue to report OLD 2014 data when NEW 2015 cited data is now available?" Because, the March 2014 is the earliest data in number of scouts and troops are know and you are not removing the Pre-charter troops known in January 2014. New 2015 data was included over the November 2014 as the latest. Despite having current membership numbers doesn't negate that TLU had different membership numbers at different times in its existence. Eventual, a table for census data should be place in the article to track census data. Spshu ( talk) 22:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
The article currently fails to acknowledge the significant criticism the creation of the group, and the group's anti-gay stance, have generated, as well as its ties to Focus on the Family and other far-right bigoted groups. [1] [2] [3] [4] JoelleJay ( talk) 23:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
One issue is that not much has been written about the organization from a neutral or even a critical point of view since a small flurry at its start. Also is it a "Scout-like organization" or, as the article states, "Non-aligned Scouting organizations" (the link goes to the same place). In List of non-aligned Scouting organizations it is under Scout-like organizations. I'm inclined to agree with that placement so have made the change. Erp ( talk) 06:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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Article is waiting for noteworthiness. See you in about four months. Wikchard ( talk) 04:48, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Is there any thing available about TrailHead USA and Frontier Service Corps? It would be nice to have any information about them besides they existed for the background section. Spshu ( talk) 18:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Can someone with topic experience clarify the lead? It currently says 'irrespective of religion, race, national origin or socio-economic status', yet the lead also says "christian", furthermore the group's faq is very clear, no Jews or Mormons allowed. It appears to me the last statement of the lead is false. Dave ( talk) 18:49, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Thus, according to our membership standards, Jewish churches and organizations would be precluded from chartering Trail Life USA troops. And those of the Jewish faith would indeed be precluded as adult leaders based on their beliefs. However, a Jewish youth could join.
Addressing particularly the revision of <15:10, 10 June 2014 Spshu>, the "Program" section is mislabeled in that previous versions don't discuss the Trail Life program, but rather talk about age demographics, salutes, oath, and an extraneous reference to a TX troop that renamed its wooden car derby. None of this is the "Trail Life Program". More recent edits have attempted to better categorize these things into "Troop organization", "Identifying features", and actual "Program". New material identifying examples of the Trail Life Program (activities) is primary-sourced for lack of secondary sources, but the nature of these primary citations is not so suspect that the material being referenced should be suppressed to the detriment of the article content. From an encyclopedic standpoint, the article is much stronger and informative with the primarily-sourced material included than to omit it while waiting for secondary sources to appear. We want Wikipedia to be useful and informative and it is easily shown by thousands of examples that Wikipedia clearly tolerates primary citation sources elsewhere. I suggest that rather than continuing to suppress noncontroversial material which strengthens the article, a banner be installed calling for better citations if they exist, while allowing the material to persist so that other editors can improve upon it. Regarding the deletion of the reference to the renaming of a wooden car derby, that isolated event is far from representative of the the organization's "program", whereas the examples given in later edits are multi-unit activities that are indicative of the Trail Life national program. ⁃ Fire wall 23:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
"Why continue to report OLD 2014 data when NEW 2015 cited data is now available?" Because, the March 2014 is the earliest data in number of scouts and troops are know and you are not removing the Pre-charter troops known in January 2014. New 2015 data was included over the November 2014 as the latest. Despite having current membership numbers doesn't negate that TLU had different membership numbers at different times in its existence. Eventual, a table for census data should be place in the article to track census data. Spshu ( talk) 22:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
The article currently fails to acknowledge the significant criticism the creation of the group, and the group's anti-gay stance, have generated, as well as its ties to Focus on the Family and other far-right bigoted groups. [1] [2] [3] [4] JoelleJay ( talk) 23:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
One issue is that not much has been written about the organization from a neutral or even a critical point of view since a small flurry at its start. Also is it a "Scout-like organization" or, as the article states, "Non-aligned Scouting organizations" (the link goes to the same place). In List of non-aligned Scouting organizations it is under Scout-like organizations. I'm inclined to agree with that placement so have made the change. Erp ( talk) 06:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)