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On 28 March 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Citizens Together to Ensemble Citoyens. The result of the discussion was moved. |
"Ensemble Citoyens" translates as "Together Citizens", "Citizens Together" would rather be the translation of "Citoyens Ensemble". This page should probably be renamed. Julio974◆ ( Talk- Contribs) 11:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
« Ensemble citoyen ! » is kind of like a rallying cry for citizens to join Macron. Citizens together don’t really convey that idea and seem to mean that this alliance is a bunch of citizens around Macron which is not the same think. So it’s why I think « Together citizens » is more appropriate. Jazerty268 ( talk) 17:23, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian ( talk) 18:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Citizens Together → Ensemble Citoyens – The translation "Citizens Together", besides being probably wrong (the most correct translation seems to me "Together citizens!"), is also unused by the sources. In the absence of a certain translation or used by the sources, the title of this page should be the original name (also for consistency with Ensemble!). Scia Della Cometa ( talk) 12:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
"In deciding whether and how to translate a foreign name into English, follow English-language usage. If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader."This does not have an established translation, particularly looking at these sources ([ [1]] [ [2]]) reliable sources are either not translating it or translating it differently to this. There therefore is no established English translation for this name. The present name loses accuracy (particularly the exclamation mark) and ahmpers understanding that this is a French organsiation that is being talked about. A GNews search for "Citizens Together" does not even bring up a relevant result for the French organisation in the first ten pages of results, whilst a search for the French name brings up only relevant results. FOARP ( talk) 12:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
LREM: Left (dated), [3] Centrist [4] and Third-Way, [5], [6] Social Liberal, [7] Reformist, Progressive [8], technocratic [9]
MoDem: Centrist (water is wet)
EC: Ecologist/Green, Centre-Left, "social justice". [10]
Territories & Progress: Left [11] to Centre-Left, [12], Social democracy [13], [14]
Progressive Federation: Left, [15], [16], [17] [18]
Horizons (Édouard Philippe): Centre-Right [19], [20]
EnlightenmentNow1792 ( talk) 09:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
I think the political position should be written "Centre" instead of "Centre to centre-right". Member parties range from center-right to center-left, and even green-affiliated left-wing party. The political position of the REN is also "Centre". Mureungdowon ( talk) 07:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
It seems that Ensemble changed the name, and it's reflected in the French Wikipedia article name, but not here. PorazonyCreeper ( talk) 17:42, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Is the alliance registered as its current name with the relevant electoral commission? Or is it still registered as its former name? ValenciaThunderbolt ( talk) 11:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Checco: there is no source centered on Ensemble, but cf. Talk:Renaissance (French political party)#Liberalism / social-liberalism. Fourmidable ( talk) 15:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The coalition in a nearly identical shape already ran in the 2021 French regional elections and 2019 European Parliament election in France i think it should be merged. The former Renaissance list is now even called "L'Europe Ensemble" Braganza ( talk) 18:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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On 28 March 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Citizens Together to Ensemble Citoyens. The result of the discussion was moved. |
"Ensemble Citoyens" translates as "Together Citizens", "Citizens Together" would rather be the translation of "Citoyens Ensemble". This page should probably be renamed. Julio974◆ ( Talk- Contribs) 11:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
« Ensemble citoyen ! » is kind of like a rallying cry for citizens to join Macron. Citizens together don’t really convey that idea and seem to mean that this alliance is a bunch of citizens around Macron which is not the same think. So it’s why I think « Together citizens » is more appropriate. Jazerty268 ( talk) 17:23, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian ( talk) 18:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Citizens Together → Ensemble Citoyens – The translation "Citizens Together", besides being probably wrong (the most correct translation seems to me "Together citizens!"), is also unused by the sources. In the absence of a certain translation or used by the sources, the title of this page should be the original name (also for consistency with Ensemble!). Scia Della Cometa ( talk) 12:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
"In deciding whether and how to translate a foreign name into English, follow English-language usage. If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader."This does not have an established translation, particularly looking at these sources ([ [1]] [ [2]]) reliable sources are either not translating it or translating it differently to this. There therefore is no established English translation for this name. The present name loses accuracy (particularly the exclamation mark) and ahmpers understanding that this is a French organsiation that is being talked about. A GNews search for "Citizens Together" does not even bring up a relevant result for the French organisation in the first ten pages of results, whilst a search for the French name brings up only relevant results. FOARP ( talk) 12:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
LREM: Left (dated), [3] Centrist [4] and Third-Way, [5], [6] Social Liberal, [7] Reformist, Progressive [8], technocratic [9]
MoDem: Centrist (water is wet)
EC: Ecologist/Green, Centre-Left, "social justice". [10]
Territories & Progress: Left [11] to Centre-Left, [12], Social democracy [13], [14]
Progressive Federation: Left, [15], [16], [17] [18]
Horizons (Édouard Philippe): Centre-Right [19], [20]
EnlightenmentNow1792 ( talk) 09:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
I think the political position should be written "Centre" instead of "Centre to centre-right". Member parties range from center-right to center-left, and even green-affiliated left-wing party. The political position of the REN is also "Centre". Mureungdowon ( talk) 07:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
It seems that Ensemble changed the name, and it's reflected in the French Wikipedia article name, but not here. PorazonyCreeper ( talk) 17:42, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Is the alliance registered as its current name with the relevant electoral commission? Or is it still registered as its former name? ValenciaThunderbolt ( talk) 11:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi @ Checco: there is no source centered on Ensemble, but cf. Talk:Renaissance (French political party)#Liberalism / social-liberalism. Fourmidable ( talk) 15:55, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The coalition in a nearly identical shape already ran in the 2021 French regional elections and 2019 European Parliament election in France i think it should be merged. The former Renaissance list is now even called "L'Europe Ensemble" Braganza ( talk) 18:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)