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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move all except Game of the three kingdoms, upon which there is no consensus nor prejudice against speedy renomination. Guideline based arguments support the move, should the discussion which has since been started about changing MOS:GAMECAPS result in a change in the guideline, another move discussion can be opened. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 14:44, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
– Per MOS:GAMECAPS and MOS:DOCTCAPS and WP:NCCAPS, and to be WP:CONSISTENT with virtually all the other game articles in the chess and related categories, and across games and sports categories generally. There's no evidence any of these are trademarked boardgame publications/products; they're simply chess variations, often with a known inventor. This isn't all of the game articles that need over-capitalization cleanup, but might as well start with 25. The fact that games-focused writers love to captialize these things (and all other game-related terms) is irrelevant; it's just a WP:Specialized style fallacy, and is why MOS:GAMECAPS] says what it does (after a lengthy RfC on the issue). A possible counter-example would be Game of the Generals which appears to be an actual published, trademarked boardgame (though its generic names like salpakan and generals should not be capitalized in the article). But it's likely that the shown board game is a product produced long after the game per se (that is, the article is about the game rule-set, not about that particular published board-and-pieces package, which would not itself be notable). Triangular chess is an article on all chess variants that are triangular, so the one-game article would need to be disambiguated (or the more generic article moved to some other name). And falcon–hunter chess requires an en dash, not a hyphen; its name means 'falcon and hunter chess' not 'hunter-of-falcons chess'. PS: after the move, the text will need to be cleaned up. Many of these articles are rampantly over-capitalizing other names, too, e.g "Three-Handed Xiangqi" (which is also capitalized in ways that we wouldn't even in a proper name, in which case it would be "Three-handed Xiangi"). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:17, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Sports, games, and other activities that are not trademarked or copyrighted are not capitalized (except where one contains a proper name or acronym, or begins a sentence).(emphesiss mine). As can be seen, games don't need to be trademarked if the name is the proper name. I just checked one article's sources and they do use the capitalize version. Is there any evidence that these are not the proper names of these versions? Regardless, oppose the specific proposal of Triangular chess as I don't think it's sufficient here. -- Gonnym ( talk) 09:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
The above RM was executed, but left lots of articles needing case fixes. I started working on them. More help would be welcome. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Also, articles like V. R. Parton are full of over-capitalization. And there are more chess variants still capped that were not listed in this RM discussion; and lots of capped alternative names. Are some of those trademarks, or proper names? Is anyone interested in trying to trying to compile a list of which ones should be capped, so I don't go overboard in fixing them? Dicklyon ( talk) 21:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
And what's up with Fischer Random Chess? Do we have to have the discussion over again, or can we fix it? Dicklyon ( talk) 22:12, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move all except Game of the three kingdoms, upon which there is no consensus nor prejudice against speedy renomination. Guideline based arguments support the move, should the discussion which has since been started about changing MOS:GAMECAPS result in a change in the guideline, another move discussion can be opened. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 14:44, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
– Per MOS:GAMECAPS and MOS:DOCTCAPS and WP:NCCAPS, and to be WP:CONSISTENT with virtually all the other game articles in the chess and related categories, and across games and sports categories generally. There's no evidence any of these are trademarked boardgame publications/products; they're simply chess variations, often with a known inventor. This isn't all of the game articles that need over-capitalization cleanup, but might as well start with 25. The fact that games-focused writers love to captialize these things (and all other game-related terms) is irrelevant; it's just a WP:Specialized style fallacy, and is why MOS:GAMECAPS] says what it does (after a lengthy RfC on the issue). A possible counter-example would be Game of the Generals which appears to be an actual published, trademarked boardgame (though its generic names like salpakan and generals should not be capitalized in the article). But it's likely that the shown board game is a product produced long after the game per se (that is, the article is about the game rule-set, not about that particular published board-and-pieces package, which would not itself be notable). Triangular chess is an article on all chess variants that are triangular, so the one-game article would need to be disambiguated (or the more generic article moved to some other name). And falcon–hunter chess requires an en dash, not a hyphen; its name means 'falcon and hunter chess' not 'hunter-of-falcons chess'. PS: after the move, the text will need to be cleaned up. Many of these articles are rampantly over-capitalizing other names, too, e.g "Three-Handed Xiangqi" (which is also capitalized in ways that we wouldn't even in a proper name, in which case it would be "Three-handed Xiangi"). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:17, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Sports, games, and other activities that are not trademarked or copyrighted are not capitalized (except where one contains a proper name or acronym, or begins a sentence).(emphesiss mine). As can be seen, games don't need to be trademarked if the name is the proper name. I just checked one article's sources and they do use the capitalize version. Is there any evidence that these are not the proper names of these versions? Regardless, oppose the specific proposal of Triangular chess as I don't think it's sufficient here. -- Gonnym ( talk) 09:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
The above RM was executed, but left lots of articles needing case fixes. I started working on them. More help would be welcome. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Also, articles like V. R. Parton are full of over-capitalization. And there are more chess variants still capped that were not listed in this RM discussion; and lots of capped alternative names. Are some of those trademarks, or proper names? Is anyone interested in trying to trying to compile a list of which ones should be capped, so I don't go overboard in fixing them? Dicklyon ( talk) 21:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
And what's up with Fischer Random Chess? Do we have to have the discussion over again, or can we fix it? Dicklyon ( talk) 22:12, 6 November 2019 (UTC)