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What means "main", as in "main form of horseracing"? Some quantification would be helpful. Trontonian
Why is there this entry as well as "horse racing in the UK"?
I also agree. Even the notation of the track condition as the "going" is UK-centric. And I've found ZERO information on the subject that drives the entire industry, for better or worse: Gambling and the art of winner selection. This is a subject I could see myself tackling if you "powers that be" are interested. Mike —Preceding unsigned comment added by Driver3405 ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I suggested in the article that there are 2 codes of racing: flat and NH. Someone changed NH to steeplechasing. I don't think that that is right. The 2 codes are as stated. Within national hunt racing there is (1) steeple chasing, (2) hurdle and (3) bumpers. I have therefore changed it back to flat and NH. I hope that that has not annoyed anyone. Dr Spam (MD) 08:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This article duplicates a great deal of material covered in horse racing and, to a lesser extent, Thoroughbred. I recommend it be merged. Montanabw (talk) 17:55, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
This article is not redundant, it is in fact fundamental. Thoroughbred is a breed, you can't merge Chevrolet into automobile. the Horse racing article should be a disambig page listing the various types of racing. This is about a Thoroughbred race but its title needs changing to segregate it (flat racing]]) from Steeplechase racing. The article needs massive expanion and relative material from the Horse racing article shifted here. It is a huge job but must be done sooner or later. Hoever, I (and probably others) have left it alone until members of the Project have done more work on other subjects which will make this article's expansion a lot, lot, lot, lot easier. And we are getting there! Handicapper 15:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I am going to second the proposal to merge the articles. Thoroughbred horse racing should be a section of Horse racing. -- AeronM ( talk) 03:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Use of jargon and slang is not appropriate to an encyclopedia article. Readers will want to know: What is "a gallop"? How do people "lay" horses?
Just a little attention to the argot of the field would be appreciated by the general reader. P0M ( talk) 03:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be good if the various track conditions, (fast, muddy, sloppy, etc.) were explained here. I have been looking for a good source in google, but haven't found it yet. -- rogerd ( talk) 21:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Usually when the term, 'fast' is used, it means that the track is dry. It's is rock hard. Racehorse trainers hope for it always. But it's hard on a horse's legs. Most thoroughbreds prefer it. Sloppy is liquidy track so the horse has to slosh through it. Lot's of horses don't like it. Muddy is where it's slippery but more like paste. There are certain horses that like it. Usually the ones with stronger and thicker legs. Hope that helps. Mhera ( talk) 20:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
At the top it states that National Hunt can be further split down into hurdling and steeplechasing. What about National Hunt flat races (or Bumpers) that does not fit into either category and would argue that this is a third split. Anyone else agree? Ishouldcocoa ( talk) 09:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Thoroughbred horse racing → Thoroughbred racing – The term Thoroughbred only ever refers to a breed of horse, rendering the inclusion of "horse" in the title redundant. This sport is known worlwide as Thoroughbred racing. The origin of this page was as a simple list of races, and it has long since evolved. Ssaco ( talk) 22:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 21:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Huge can of worms? After going through several pages of similar material, there is an overall poor structure to the entire topic. There is a drift from a world view, irrelevant and unnecessary bloat, duplication and circular references. It wasn't my intention to get into this, but some extra evaluation here would help encyclopedic value.
"Horse racing" would be the overall parent topic. "Thoroughbred racing" is the dominant part of horse racing, for the western world, as an international topic for media, gambling and money. However under horse racing it's categorized as "flat racing" which is true, but within the sport, so application of WP:COMMONNAME must be properly viewed. But there is no mention of "thorougbred racing", so now we have two pages of similar subject. Keep going and you find Horse racing in the United States as its own page, a second duplication, to a substantial extent.
A further subheading is Horse racing#Breeds, each with their own Main article sub pages, with varying relevance to racing, but again potentially duplicating information, and with incorrect or outdated information.
I know thoroughbreds, and I know Arabians, and using wikipedia now as a resource becomes unappetizing.
Before I bore every last person here to tears, I'll summarize like this. Less is going to be more, I would pare down the entire main article horse racing per WP:MOS. A lot of removal work, which will likely be edited back in eventually.
Thanks Dekimasu for your time here, and anyone else with good input. Ssaco ( talk) 00:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
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What means "main", as in "main form of horseracing"? Some quantification would be helpful. Trontonian
Why is there this entry as well as "horse racing in the UK"?
I also agree. Even the notation of the track condition as the "going" is UK-centric. And I've found ZERO information on the subject that drives the entire industry, for better or worse: Gambling and the art of winner selection. This is a subject I could see myself tackling if you "powers that be" are interested. Mike —Preceding unsigned comment added by Driver3405 ( talk • contribs) 20:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I suggested in the article that there are 2 codes of racing: flat and NH. Someone changed NH to steeplechasing. I don't think that that is right. The 2 codes are as stated. Within national hunt racing there is (1) steeple chasing, (2) hurdle and (3) bumpers. I have therefore changed it back to flat and NH. I hope that that has not annoyed anyone. Dr Spam (MD) 08:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This article duplicates a great deal of material covered in horse racing and, to a lesser extent, Thoroughbred. I recommend it be merged. Montanabw (talk) 17:55, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
This article is not redundant, it is in fact fundamental. Thoroughbred is a breed, you can't merge Chevrolet into automobile. the Horse racing article should be a disambig page listing the various types of racing. This is about a Thoroughbred race but its title needs changing to segregate it (flat racing]]) from Steeplechase racing. The article needs massive expanion and relative material from the Horse racing article shifted here. It is a huge job but must be done sooner or later. Hoever, I (and probably others) have left it alone until members of the Project have done more work on other subjects which will make this article's expansion a lot, lot, lot, lot easier. And we are getting there! Handicapper 15:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I am going to second the proposal to merge the articles. Thoroughbred horse racing should be a section of Horse racing. -- AeronM ( talk) 03:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Use of jargon and slang is not appropriate to an encyclopedia article. Readers will want to know: What is "a gallop"? How do people "lay" horses?
Just a little attention to the argot of the field would be appreciated by the general reader. P0M ( talk) 03:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be good if the various track conditions, (fast, muddy, sloppy, etc.) were explained here. I have been looking for a good source in google, but haven't found it yet. -- rogerd ( talk) 21:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Usually when the term, 'fast' is used, it means that the track is dry. It's is rock hard. Racehorse trainers hope for it always. But it's hard on a horse's legs. Most thoroughbreds prefer it. Sloppy is liquidy track so the horse has to slosh through it. Lot's of horses don't like it. Muddy is where it's slippery but more like paste. There are certain horses that like it. Usually the ones with stronger and thicker legs. Hope that helps. Mhera ( talk) 20:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
At the top it states that National Hunt can be further split down into hurdling and steeplechasing. What about National Hunt flat races (or Bumpers) that does not fit into either category and would argue that this is a third split. Anyone else agree? Ishouldcocoa ( talk) 09:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Thoroughbred horse racing → Thoroughbred racing – The term Thoroughbred only ever refers to a breed of horse, rendering the inclusion of "horse" in the title redundant. This sport is known worlwide as Thoroughbred racing. The origin of this page was as a simple list of races, and it has long since evolved. Ssaco ( talk) 22:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 21:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Huge can of worms? After going through several pages of similar material, there is an overall poor structure to the entire topic. There is a drift from a world view, irrelevant and unnecessary bloat, duplication and circular references. It wasn't my intention to get into this, but some extra evaluation here would help encyclopedic value.
"Horse racing" would be the overall parent topic. "Thoroughbred racing" is the dominant part of horse racing, for the western world, as an international topic for media, gambling and money. However under horse racing it's categorized as "flat racing" which is true, but within the sport, so application of WP:COMMONNAME must be properly viewed. But there is no mention of "thorougbred racing", so now we have two pages of similar subject. Keep going and you find Horse racing in the United States as its own page, a second duplication, to a substantial extent.
A further subheading is Horse racing#Breeds, each with their own Main article sub pages, with varying relevance to racing, but again potentially duplicating information, and with incorrect or outdated information.
I know thoroughbreds, and I know Arabians, and using wikipedia now as a resource becomes unappetizing.
Before I bore every last person here to tears, I'll summarize like this. Less is going to be more, I would pare down the entire main article horse racing per WP:MOS. A lot of removal work, which will likely be edited back in eventually.
Thanks Dekimasu for your time here, and anyone else with good input. Ssaco ( talk) 00:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)