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Did the Declaration form the USA or did the Constitution?
The Declaration mentions the "United States of America," but did that mean "states of America united in revolution," rather than the Union which was created with ratification of the Constitution several years later? The founders spent years after the war negotiating the Constitution to form the Union. In 1776, they were states, they were in America, they were united in revolution, but were they the "United States of America" as we've known it since 1789?
Just wonderin' soibangla ( talk) 03:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Any data about the total extension of the territory? have not seen any and I think it would be nice to know the territorial extension of the 13 colonies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.25.7.64 ( talk) 19:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
I think we could approximate and state the area size 197.186.8.45 ( talk) 13:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Dilidor: The two statements that you removed, and that I restored, and that you removed again, were duly supported by citations of what I assumed were reliable sources. (In addition one can read about it in linked Wikipedia articles, and in a later section of this article, Thirteen Colonies#Slavery.) The burden of proof is on you to show that there was something wrong with them. Bruce leverett ( talk) 17:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Rhode Island outlawed slavery in 1652. [1] — Dilidor ( talk) 15:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
"That 1652 municipal law was superseded by a 1703 law passed by the Rhode Island General Assembly that legally recognized black and Native American slavery and whites as their owners."[2] BilCat ( talk) 16:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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Dilidor and I have disagreed on this point in the lead. He prefers saying the colonies were on the Atlantic coast of « America »; I prefer « North America ». In my view, « America » is more of a political statement. Standard description of the continent as a geographic location is « North America » (in English, at least). Would welcome comments. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 18:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Critics have marked sections that depend too heavily on one book by Richter. I replaced with multiple cites to specialized books and articles. Rjensen ( talk) 20:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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There is a typo in this sentence, where "shown" is spelled "dhown" "New Netherland with 17th-century Dutch claims in areas that later became English colonies dhown in red and yellow." It is the image for Middle Colonies Pnc4k ( talk) 22:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
"A relatively high degree of self-governance" means the same as "A high degree of self-governance", i.e. you are getting zero value for those four syllables. Or am I missing something? Actually I wonder if the use of "relatively" here is actually just an attempt to hedge and/or express doubt, kind of like MOS:DOUBT. In either case it doesn't belong. Bruce leverett ( talk) 18:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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Did the Declaration form the USA or did the Constitution?
The Declaration mentions the "United States of America," but did that mean "states of America united in revolution," rather than the Union which was created with ratification of the Constitution several years later? The founders spent years after the war negotiating the Constitution to form the Union. In 1776, they were states, they were in America, they were united in revolution, but were they the "United States of America" as we've known it since 1789?
Just wonderin' soibangla ( talk) 03:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Any data about the total extension of the territory? have not seen any and I think it would be nice to know the territorial extension of the 13 colonies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.25.7.64 ( talk) 19:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
I think we could approximate and state the area size 197.186.8.45 ( talk) 13:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Dilidor: The two statements that you removed, and that I restored, and that you removed again, were duly supported by citations of what I assumed were reliable sources. (In addition one can read about it in linked Wikipedia articles, and in a later section of this article, Thirteen Colonies#Slavery.) The burden of proof is on you to show that there was something wrong with them. Bruce leverett ( talk) 17:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Rhode Island outlawed slavery in 1652. [1] — Dilidor ( talk) 15:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
"That 1652 municipal law was superseded by a 1703 law passed by the Rhode Island General Assembly that legally recognized black and Native American slavery and whites as their owners."[2] BilCat ( talk) 16:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
References
Dilidor and I have disagreed on this point in the lead. He prefers saying the colonies were on the Atlantic coast of « America »; I prefer « North America ». In my view, « America » is more of a political statement. Standard description of the continent as a geographic location is « North America » (in English, at least). Would welcome comments. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 18:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Critics have marked sections that depend too heavily on one book by Richter. I replaced with multiple cites to specialized books and articles. Rjensen ( talk) 20:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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There is a typo in this sentence, where "shown" is spelled "dhown" "New Netherland with 17th-century Dutch claims in areas that later became English colonies dhown in red and yellow." It is the image for Middle Colonies Pnc4k ( talk) 22:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
"A relatively high degree of self-governance" means the same as "A high degree of self-governance", i.e. you are getting zero value for those four syllables. Or am I missing something? Actually I wonder if the use of "relatively" here is actually just an attempt to hedge and/or express doubt, kind of like MOS:DOUBT. In either case it doesn't belong. Bruce leverett ( talk) 18:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)