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The article previously posted was uncorrect and unbalanced, showing Mr. Jamin as a great explorer and archaelogist. Unfortunetely he has only a diplome in history, but he is not archaelogist. As it is stated he has started a third cycle in history and archaeology, but he is not able to show a degree or master in archaeology. All his explorations were unsuccessfully. He visited the petrogliphs of Pusharo (discovered in 1921 by Vicente de Cenitagoya) and launched a fringe theory about the gliphs being a “map to Paititi”. It has been proven many times by serious antropologists (like Mr. Hostnig), that Pusharo has notingh to do with the Incas or Paititi, but Jamin published a book with fringe theories concerning the matter. He also said that he discovered others gliphs, or "geogliphs" but nobody believed him, and he was accused to have altered with photoshop a picture of the jungle in order to show that he discovered the “Pusharo geogliphs”. Pyramids of Pantiacolla, or Paratoari. He reached the site only few years later the official discovery (1996, American explorer G. Deyermenjian). Even here he diffused strange and fringe theories such as the fact that the Pyramids were a ceremonial center of the Incas. Hualla Fortress and other sites in the Lacco valley: those sites were all discovered by Peruvian explorer Carlos Neuenschwander in 1960/70 and not by French Jamin, who was only a visitor/traveller with fringe theories. His research in Machu Picchu: the official government (Peruvian Minister of Culture) refused the permit that Mr. Jamin asked to excávate in Machu Picchu for lack of historical and archeological experience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkeology ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Almost all sources quoted in this article were published by Thierry Jamin himself in his sites granpaititi, pusharo, inkari.
El Comandante ( talk) 07:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Also, please note that while forbidden on Wikipedia, sources published on websites related to Jamin were reproductions of articles coming from the above list of publications.
Byron87 ( talk) 04:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Some sources don't talk about what they are supposed to back up.
See, in Main Discoveries & Contributions : “Within 2½ years, with the help of local indigenous populations, the Peruvian Ministry of Culture has recognized and recorded more than 30 new sites discovered by Jamin [1]”.
Also : “In 2007, Jamin was himself accused of death threats, insults, calumnies and defamations by a local treasure hunter and an international warrant of arrest was issued by Interpol. The accusations were proven false and Jamin was released with no charge against him [1]”.
El Comandante ( talk) 07:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Please see this article from the Ministerio de la Cultura de Perú, so that you can understand the difference between what this article (and Jamin publications in general) claims, and what archaeological authorities say. El Comandante ( talk) 07:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
The actidute of user Byron87 is quite disturbing. He wrote that I am a fake user, but I could write the same for him. He sent me a sarcastic message, and accused me of vandalism! I tried to modify the article posted by Byron87, that was unbalanced and incorrect, but after a few seconds the old article appeared again. Maybe is there a robot that does not allow any changes? Is this s the famous neutrality of wikipedia? the article posted by Byron87 is completely wrong and tries to show Mr. Jamin as a great discoverer.In the article there is written 23 times "he discovered", totally far from the reality. Again: where is the degree in archaeology? User FreeRangeFrogcroak asked: Do you have sources to back up your claims? Yes. in this article are explained the fringe theories of Mr. Jamin about "his dicovery" of the Pusharo petrogliphs, and about his false discovery of the Paititi. [ [1]] In this articles is explained the decision of the peruvian minister of culture: [ [2]] In the following books are described some explorations of Mr. Neuenshwander (he died in 2002) who was the official discoverer of about 30 sites in the Lacco Valley, the same sites that user Byron87 affirm to have benn discovered by Jamin. Carlos Neuenschwander Landa (autor de los libros "PANTIACOLLO", "PAITITI: En la Bruma de la Historia" {1983}, y "PAITITI: Hipótesis Final" {2000}) Arkeology ( talk) 22:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
-Mr. Jamin is not archaeologist (he is not able to show a degree or master in archaeology) -He is not a specialist in inca archaeology (only a recognized archaeologist can be called "specialist") -Known for : history of the Incas and Amazon rainforset: incorrect because he did not publish book on the History of the Incas or books related to the Amazon rainforest. -"Jamin discovered several Inca artefacts in the same area of the Pyrimids": there is no proof that the artifacts that he "discovered" have an Inca origin. No stratigrafic work has been done in the area of the Pyramids of Pantiacolla/Paratoari. Regarding Pusharo gliphs: "His assumptions are that the ancient rock site could be an ancient roadmap leading to Paititi"[1]. (fringe teory) the link [ [4]] seems to point out a hipotetical news but his assumption were not supported by independent and recognized archaeologist. -"In July 2006, Jamin returned to the area of the Pyramids of Pantiacolla. New archaeological evidence was found, confirming the existence of a permanent site neary"- No independent archaeologist supported this fringe theory of Mr. Jamin. The fact that he returned to Pusharo and "discovered" petrogliphs that can only be seen at night with a torch has not been confirmed by independent archaeologist. The link [ [5]] is not peer reviewed archaeological publication. The fact that he "discovered" 3 geoglyphs "made by the Invas" has not been supported by independent archaeologist. Mr Jamin has been accused to have used the program photoshop to arrange or create some pictures. the link [ [6]] is not supported by mainstream archaeologist. "When he returned to Mameria he realized the first scientific study of the site". Ok, but where is the study? Again the link [ [7]] is just a video, there is not scientific study. Please provide the study that was published in a peer reviewd archaeological pubblication. The fact that he "discovered" sites in the Valley of Lacco is completely false. Because Peruvian Neuenschwander was exploring that Valley starting from 1960. The link [ [8]] is not a peer reviewe archaeological pubblication but is a mexican newspaper with no specialization in Incan archaeology. Again all the sites listed: (fortress of Hualla Mocco (area Hualla), and the small cities of Torre Mocco and of Lucma Cancha (area Quinuay). He also discovered the small cities of Patan Marca and Llactapata (area Juy Huay), the ceremonial site of Puccro (area Mesapata). In the area of Ccorimayo, he discovered another city, also called Llactapata, and composed of about 150 buildings, a dozen streets, and two main squares) were discovered, studied by Peruvian Neunschwander and the result of his exploration are described in his books: "PANTIACOLLO", "PAITITI: En la Bruma de la Historia" {1983}, y "PAITITI: Hipótesis Final" (2000). Again the link [ [9]] is a publication not specialized in archaeology or history. Again the link [ [10]] is not related to Monte Puncu but to the Hualla Fortress that was discovered by Neuenschwander in 1958. Even the link N9 is not correct. and all the sites listed were studied by peruvian explorer Neuenschwander. The fact that in July 2011, "Jamin set up a new expedition to reach massive ruins signaled by indigenous people", is fantasy, marketing, but nothing related to a serious research. the link [ [11]] is not a peer reviewed pubblication. The fact that "the team confirmed the existence of cavities and an important quantity of archaeological material" is not confirmed. the link: [ [12]] is not a peer reviewed publication. "one of their assumptions is that the site could be a burial tomb" not confirmed. The article still require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies. Arkeology ( talk) 16:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC) Arkeology ( talk) 16:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Undocumented claims and specific requests
A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject Arkeology ( talk) 21:33, 30 March 2013 (UTC) It is clear that user Byron87 has close connection with the subject of the article Arkeology ( talk) 21:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
A Notability tag has been placed on a previous version of this article. As per [ the Notability rules on Wikipedia], this article seems to comply with the guidelines. Please review WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV and the current version of the article. If notability has been established please feel free to remove the tag. If not, please discuss the topic here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byron87 ( talk • contribs) 02:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Months ago, after reading Jamin's books, I started looking for some additional information on the web. I quickly noticed that his work and his status were the target of a few brave anonymous users (not sure if they are more than one person). Today, I am suprised to see that the same ridiculous theories are debated here on Wikipedia. While I am still on a learning curve on Wikipedia and that I know that some of the changes made on this article were totally legit considering Wikipedia's policy, others tend to draw a very negative portrait without providing any solid and reliable sources. However, one can only see that they are deeply implicated in Jamin's research as they seem to be aware of informations that have not been published anywhere on the Internet. No only their accusations are not supported by any reliable source but they also ask for sources that are not available to anyone and that are not required for other archaeologists who have their page on Wikipedia. In addition, they use the current polemic about Machu Picchu to influence other Wikipedians, but they never shared the other side of the story. Finally, they deny Jamin's work, discoveries and assumptions. We all have the right to disagree, for sure, but Wikipedia is not a place to promote our own theories. If other archeologists have a different theory, then it is interesting to mention it along with a reliable source. For example, this is the kind of anonymous comments we can easily find on digital publications about Jamin's work:
Same old song. I could go on for hours. No evidence, no source, but always the same accusations, including here on Wikipedia. Byron87 03 April 2013 (UTC)
In the current version of the article, it can be read :
«After visiting the site, Jamin, confirmed the existence of a door and on December 19th 2011, he submitted a research project with the objective to use ground‑penetrating radar technologies to determine if some cavities were located behind the door, which was agreed by the Peruvian Ministry of Culture [7.»
The source quoted in the footnote number 7 does not say that Jamin or his Inkari Institute were agreed to make a research project in Machu Picchu. It only talks about the peruvian archaelogist Hilbert Sumire Bustincio, with no link with Jamin or the Inkari Institute.
And it's a scanned document published on Jamin's website granpaititi.com : it could had been altered from an original document.
So it has absolutely no value here.
El Comandante ( talk) 16:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
So what, Thierry Jamin fans?
Nothing to publish here about the scandalous Alien Project? It's been public since one year and a half, and still nothing here?
See this reaction and this summary.
El Comandante ( talk) 13:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
"Archaeologists who have spoken on some of the investigations he has organized have issued very critical opinions: in 2013, the archaeological team of the IFEA - French Institute of Andean Studies - considered that its hypotheses of discovery were not on "no solid foundation", because of their "many inconsistencies" and their "serious shortcomings" "from a technical and methodological point of view" [15] ; Similarly, in 2013, David Ugarte Vega Centeno, director of INC Cusco, criticized him for wanting to uncover archaeological sites without the scientific rigor necessary to avoid degrading them and accused him of doing his research in the field. only purpose of "finding treasures" Búsqueda de supuesta tumba de Pachacútec" solo pretender huaquear "Machu Picchu [16] ", El Comercio , February 8, 2013. (source says ""This only reflects and confirms that his only interest is to find hidden treasures without having the minimum knowledge about the conservation of an important architectural structure," reads the note sent by the institution."
As far as the Alien project goes: On 28 June 2017, Professor Rodolfo Salas-Gismondi of the Paleontology Division of the American Museum of Natural History in New York denounced the scientific imposture of the so-called "extraterrestrial Nasca mummy" [17] [18]. He also appears in the report of the French magazine 66 minutes broadcast on the channel M6 on January 28, 2018; he asserts that these mummies are probably an assemblage of remains of skeletons of animals and that no evidence has been adduced to support the hypothesis that it would be a skeleton of an unknown species of origin alien [19].
The July 8, 2017, a group of twelve Peruvian and international experts (bio-anthropologists, specialists in the study and conservation of human remains including mummies) issued a communiqué through the World Congress on Mummy Studies denouncing the fraud of "mummies extraterrestrials " [20]. It states that these productions are "undoubtedly pre-Columbian human remains ... manipulated and even mutilated to obtain an ad hoc appearancefor commercial exploitation. The press release finally denounces the authors of these productions and those who exploit them, describing these practices as "criminal mistreatment" that violates "profoundly human dignity", as well as "several national and international rules for the defense of cultural heritage".
On 13 July 2017, the American archaeologist Carl Feagans concludes a "hoax" [21] .
On 3 August 2017, anthropology professors John Hoopes and Jennifer Raff of the University of Kansas qualify this project pseudoscientific and denounce its lack of respect for indigenous peoples [22]. Doug Weller talk 13:42, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
What are you waiting for using the informations and sources we published on the french article? This article still lacks of neutrality and informations.
El Comandante ( talk) 22:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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The article previously posted was uncorrect and unbalanced, showing Mr. Jamin as a great explorer and archaelogist. Unfortunetely he has only a diplome in history, but he is not archaelogist. As it is stated he has started a third cycle in history and archaeology, but he is not able to show a degree or master in archaeology. All his explorations were unsuccessfully. He visited the petrogliphs of Pusharo (discovered in 1921 by Vicente de Cenitagoya) and launched a fringe theory about the gliphs being a “map to Paititi”. It has been proven many times by serious antropologists (like Mr. Hostnig), that Pusharo has notingh to do with the Incas or Paititi, but Jamin published a book with fringe theories concerning the matter. He also said that he discovered others gliphs, or "geogliphs" but nobody believed him, and he was accused to have altered with photoshop a picture of the jungle in order to show that he discovered the “Pusharo geogliphs”. Pyramids of Pantiacolla, or Paratoari. He reached the site only few years later the official discovery (1996, American explorer G. Deyermenjian). Even here he diffused strange and fringe theories such as the fact that the Pyramids were a ceremonial center of the Incas. Hualla Fortress and other sites in the Lacco valley: those sites were all discovered by Peruvian explorer Carlos Neuenschwander in 1960/70 and not by French Jamin, who was only a visitor/traveller with fringe theories. His research in Machu Picchu: the official government (Peruvian Minister of Culture) refused the permit that Mr. Jamin asked to excávate in Machu Picchu for lack of historical and archeological experience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkeology ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Almost all sources quoted in this article were published by Thierry Jamin himself in his sites granpaititi, pusharo, inkari.
El Comandante ( talk) 07:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Also, please note that while forbidden on Wikipedia, sources published on websites related to Jamin were reproductions of articles coming from the above list of publications.
Byron87 ( talk) 04:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Some sources don't talk about what they are supposed to back up.
See, in Main Discoveries & Contributions : “Within 2½ years, with the help of local indigenous populations, the Peruvian Ministry of Culture has recognized and recorded more than 30 new sites discovered by Jamin [1]”.
Also : “In 2007, Jamin was himself accused of death threats, insults, calumnies and defamations by a local treasure hunter and an international warrant of arrest was issued by Interpol. The accusations were proven false and Jamin was released with no charge against him [1]”.
El Comandante ( talk) 07:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Please see this article from the Ministerio de la Cultura de Perú, so that you can understand the difference between what this article (and Jamin publications in general) claims, and what archaeological authorities say. El Comandante ( talk) 07:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
The actidute of user Byron87 is quite disturbing. He wrote that I am a fake user, but I could write the same for him. He sent me a sarcastic message, and accused me of vandalism! I tried to modify the article posted by Byron87, that was unbalanced and incorrect, but after a few seconds the old article appeared again. Maybe is there a robot that does not allow any changes? Is this s the famous neutrality of wikipedia? the article posted by Byron87 is completely wrong and tries to show Mr. Jamin as a great discoverer.In the article there is written 23 times "he discovered", totally far from the reality. Again: where is the degree in archaeology? User FreeRangeFrogcroak asked: Do you have sources to back up your claims? Yes. in this article are explained the fringe theories of Mr. Jamin about "his dicovery" of the Pusharo petrogliphs, and about his false discovery of the Paititi. [ [1]] In this articles is explained the decision of the peruvian minister of culture: [ [2]] In the following books are described some explorations of Mr. Neuenshwander (he died in 2002) who was the official discoverer of about 30 sites in the Lacco Valley, the same sites that user Byron87 affirm to have benn discovered by Jamin. Carlos Neuenschwander Landa (autor de los libros "PANTIACOLLO", "PAITITI: En la Bruma de la Historia" {1983}, y "PAITITI: Hipótesis Final" {2000}) Arkeology ( talk) 22:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
-Mr. Jamin is not archaeologist (he is not able to show a degree or master in archaeology) -He is not a specialist in inca archaeology (only a recognized archaeologist can be called "specialist") -Known for : history of the Incas and Amazon rainforset: incorrect because he did not publish book on the History of the Incas or books related to the Amazon rainforest. -"Jamin discovered several Inca artefacts in the same area of the Pyrimids": there is no proof that the artifacts that he "discovered" have an Inca origin. No stratigrafic work has been done in the area of the Pyramids of Pantiacolla/Paratoari. Regarding Pusharo gliphs: "His assumptions are that the ancient rock site could be an ancient roadmap leading to Paititi"[1]. (fringe teory) the link [ [4]] seems to point out a hipotetical news but his assumption were not supported by independent and recognized archaeologist. -"In July 2006, Jamin returned to the area of the Pyramids of Pantiacolla. New archaeological evidence was found, confirming the existence of a permanent site neary"- No independent archaeologist supported this fringe theory of Mr. Jamin. The fact that he returned to Pusharo and "discovered" petrogliphs that can only be seen at night with a torch has not been confirmed by independent archaeologist. The link [ [5]] is not peer reviewed archaeological publication. The fact that he "discovered" 3 geoglyphs "made by the Invas" has not been supported by independent archaeologist. Mr Jamin has been accused to have used the program photoshop to arrange or create some pictures. the link [ [6]] is not supported by mainstream archaeologist. "When he returned to Mameria he realized the first scientific study of the site". Ok, but where is the study? Again the link [ [7]] is just a video, there is not scientific study. Please provide the study that was published in a peer reviewd archaeological pubblication. The fact that he "discovered" sites in the Valley of Lacco is completely false. Because Peruvian Neuenschwander was exploring that Valley starting from 1960. The link [ [8]] is not a peer reviewe archaeological pubblication but is a mexican newspaper with no specialization in Incan archaeology. Again all the sites listed: (fortress of Hualla Mocco (area Hualla), and the small cities of Torre Mocco and of Lucma Cancha (area Quinuay). He also discovered the small cities of Patan Marca and Llactapata (area Juy Huay), the ceremonial site of Puccro (area Mesapata). In the area of Ccorimayo, he discovered another city, also called Llactapata, and composed of about 150 buildings, a dozen streets, and two main squares) were discovered, studied by Peruvian Neunschwander and the result of his exploration are described in his books: "PANTIACOLLO", "PAITITI: En la Bruma de la Historia" {1983}, y "PAITITI: Hipótesis Final" (2000). Again the link [ [9]] is a publication not specialized in archaeology or history. Again the link [ [10]] is not related to Monte Puncu but to the Hualla Fortress that was discovered by Neuenschwander in 1958. Even the link N9 is not correct. and all the sites listed were studied by peruvian explorer Neuenschwander. The fact that in July 2011, "Jamin set up a new expedition to reach massive ruins signaled by indigenous people", is fantasy, marketing, but nothing related to a serious research. the link [ [11]] is not a peer reviewed pubblication. The fact that "the team confirmed the existence of cavities and an important quantity of archaeological material" is not confirmed. the link: [ [12]] is not a peer reviewed publication. "one of their assumptions is that the site could be a burial tomb" not confirmed. The article still require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies. Arkeology ( talk) 16:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC) Arkeology ( talk) 16:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Undocumented claims and specific requests
A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject Arkeology ( talk) 21:33, 30 March 2013 (UTC) It is clear that user Byron87 has close connection with the subject of the article Arkeology ( talk) 21:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
A Notability tag has been placed on a previous version of this article. As per [ the Notability rules on Wikipedia], this article seems to comply with the guidelines. Please review WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV and the current version of the article. If notability has been established please feel free to remove the tag. If not, please discuss the topic here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Byron87 ( talk • contribs) 02:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Months ago, after reading Jamin's books, I started looking for some additional information on the web. I quickly noticed that his work and his status were the target of a few brave anonymous users (not sure if they are more than one person). Today, I am suprised to see that the same ridiculous theories are debated here on Wikipedia. While I am still on a learning curve on Wikipedia and that I know that some of the changes made on this article were totally legit considering Wikipedia's policy, others tend to draw a very negative portrait without providing any solid and reliable sources. However, one can only see that they are deeply implicated in Jamin's research as they seem to be aware of informations that have not been published anywhere on the Internet. No only their accusations are not supported by any reliable source but they also ask for sources that are not available to anyone and that are not required for other archaeologists who have their page on Wikipedia. In addition, they use the current polemic about Machu Picchu to influence other Wikipedians, but they never shared the other side of the story. Finally, they deny Jamin's work, discoveries and assumptions. We all have the right to disagree, for sure, but Wikipedia is not a place to promote our own theories. If other archeologists have a different theory, then it is interesting to mention it along with a reliable source. For example, this is the kind of anonymous comments we can easily find on digital publications about Jamin's work:
Same old song. I could go on for hours. No evidence, no source, but always the same accusations, including here on Wikipedia. Byron87 03 April 2013 (UTC)
In the current version of the article, it can be read :
«After visiting the site, Jamin, confirmed the existence of a door and on December 19th 2011, he submitted a research project with the objective to use ground‑penetrating radar technologies to determine if some cavities were located behind the door, which was agreed by the Peruvian Ministry of Culture [7.»
The source quoted in the footnote number 7 does not say that Jamin or his Inkari Institute were agreed to make a research project in Machu Picchu. It only talks about the peruvian archaelogist Hilbert Sumire Bustincio, with no link with Jamin or the Inkari Institute.
And it's a scanned document published on Jamin's website granpaititi.com : it could had been altered from an original document.
So it has absolutely no value here.
El Comandante ( talk) 16:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
So what, Thierry Jamin fans?
Nothing to publish here about the scandalous Alien Project? It's been public since one year and a half, and still nothing here?
See this reaction and this summary.
El Comandante ( talk) 13:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
"Archaeologists who have spoken on some of the investigations he has organized have issued very critical opinions: in 2013, the archaeological team of the IFEA - French Institute of Andean Studies - considered that its hypotheses of discovery were not on "no solid foundation", because of their "many inconsistencies" and their "serious shortcomings" "from a technical and methodological point of view" [15] ; Similarly, in 2013, David Ugarte Vega Centeno, director of INC Cusco, criticized him for wanting to uncover archaeological sites without the scientific rigor necessary to avoid degrading them and accused him of doing his research in the field. only purpose of "finding treasures" Búsqueda de supuesta tumba de Pachacútec" solo pretender huaquear "Machu Picchu [16] ", El Comercio , February 8, 2013. (source says ""This only reflects and confirms that his only interest is to find hidden treasures without having the minimum knowledge about the conservation of an important architectural structure," reads the note sent by the institution."
As far as the Alien project goes: On 28 June 2017, Professor Rodolfo Salas-Gismondi of the Paleontology Division of the American Museum of Natural History in New York denounced the scientific imposture of the so-called "extraterrestrial Nasca mummy" [17] [18]. He also appears in the report of the French magazine 66 minutes broadcast on the channel M6 on January 28, 2018; he asserts that these mummies are probably an assemblage of remains of skeletons of animals and that no evidence has been adduced to support the hypothesis that it would be a skeleton of an unknown species of origin alien [19].
The July 8, 2017, a group of twelve Peruvian and international experts (bio-anthropologists, specialists in the study and conservation of human remains including mummies) issued a communiqué through the World Congress on Mummy Studies denouncing the fraud of "mummies extraterrestrials " [20]. It states that these productions are "undoubtedly pre-Columbian human remains ... manipulated and even mutilated to obtain an ad hoc appearancefor commercial exploitation. The press release finally denounces the authors of these productions and those who exploit them, describing these practices as "criminal mistreatment" that violates "profoundly human dignity", as well as "several national and international rules for the defense of cultural heritage".
On 13 July 2017, the American archaeologist Carl Feagans concludes a "hoax" [21] .
On 3 August 2017, anthropology professors John Hoopes and Jennifer Raff of the University of Kansas qualify this project pseudoscientific and denounce its lack of respect for indigenous peoples [22]. Doug Weller talk 13:42, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
What are you waiting for using the informations and sources we published on the french article? This article still lacks of neutrality and informations.
El Comandante ( talk) 22:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)