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Is Naives TOTP performance really worthy of mention? It was no more special than any other performance, nor was it the bands debuet appearance on the show. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.14.45.236 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I have added the trivia template as the Performances list is growing but without a single supporting reference as to why anything on the list is notable. I suspect the whole list could (and probably should) be removed without detracting from the rest of the article. Any notable performances could be included in the text of the article rather than as a list. Lame Name ( talk) 06:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
is Max their origional and only bass player? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.131.76.195 ( talk • contribs) 15:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah but Max is back now!!!!
this is mostly hyperbole.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Discotrash ( talk • contribs) 14:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know why the page has been created at "Naïve" rather than "Naive" - all references to the song in all sources spell it the English way - without the "ï". Most important of all are the CD itself, and the band's official website. If there is no disagreement, I will go ahead and move the page to Naive (The Kooks song). DJR ( Talk) 12:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Surely UnOfficial (see External Links) should be spelt Unofficial, without the capital O, to keep with proper English? Or am I just totally deranged? Please tell me what you think... Matty! 11:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but the kooks sound nothing like the libertines, or dirty pretty things for that matter...-- Therealchaffinch 19:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think so. More like a West Country accent to me, best evidenced by the 'Don't let me down' line. Perhaps even bordering on Chinese on 'She Moves in Her Own Way'. mat_x 08:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
What the hell? Surely we want more information that that pieces of unnoteworthiness! A.S.A.P. please, thank you. Scotteh 15:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Luke Pritchard is the prime example of a drug addict, puking on himself and convulsing in bathroom stalls. Lovely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.198.242 ( talk) 03:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
There are a couple of points I feel need raising about the article:
Please post any comments! Thanks. Oggy 13:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
A target to aim for would be the Arctic Monkeys article. Iorek85 09:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
in my opnion, slave to the game should definately be considered a single, even if it was only distributed at the gigs. they intentionally put it out there for people to listen, and even those who didnt get their hands on it at a gig have it one way or another. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Musicyeah42 (
talk •
contribs) 02:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
accoarding to MTV. their album went triple plat. -thebird
http://www.themusiczine.com/content/view/131/42/ - Gig review, couldn't see a better place for it.
http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/cds/K/the-kooks/inside-ininside-out/2655 - CD Review. Should we add a Professional Reviews section?
Http://www.thekooks.co.nr > Another The Kooks forum
Whoever has written this article has got totally confused between Luke Pritchard and Johnny Borrell. Please change this so that this article is wholly about The Kooks and not confused with Razorlight.
I checked their wiki entry to know more about the band, but there is little to mention about them. Anyone up for it? -- Soetermans 23:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
'Indie' has lost all meaning today, in the sense that it in no way denotes a band's record label status- it is simply a catch-all term that is applied to a guitar band whose music sits between harder rock and country/acoustic. The Kooks are most definitely not Blues rock though, and i'm not sure they are post-punk revival either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sausage Faced Weasel ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Should they really be called indie? Selling over a million copies on a major label (Virgin), doesn't seem to tie in with this. I understand that people refer to a genre as indie, when many of the bands they include in the genre are not on independent labels, but I prefer the old labelling of rock/pop. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.48.1.25 ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 31 December 2006.
To the first poster in this section: this is a universal encyclopedia, it doesn't matter what you "prefer", your personal opinion is not taken into account. Also, Kooks are less indie than, say Klaxons but are very far from Britpop, The Kooks are not even pop! Wikipedia's definiton of Britpop: "Britpop was a mid-1990s British alternative rock genre and movement that was at its most popular in Great Britain." The word indie has evolved and is now a genre not merely referring to bands signed with independent label, i expect most of you being from america find it hard to grasp that something new, exciting and popular emerged from somewhere outside of your continent, but it has, this should be shown in Wikipedia, all the above written by you is your opinion, not fact. Here I give you fact, Wikipedia's definition of indie: "The term (indie) has since become increasingly popular and is now often used to describe anything in music that is characterized by its perceived indepency from mainstream or pop culture as a whole. As such, it can be seen as a synonym for alternative music.[2][3]" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28music%29) Oh, oh dear, the indie classification remains. Phelim123 17:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Whatever,wikigeeks. The Kooks are no way indie.Britpop and Post-Punk Revival are rubbish aspects of what only the mainstream people think of indie. Black metal technically is indie,Nirvana were (at first) indie.....it isn't really atyle.Its just a word used by commerciaal radio and magazines to make 'Post-punk revival' and 'britpop' more understandable to teenagers. 'Indie kids' listen to Fleet Foxes and Godspeed You!Black Emperor. Unless they're posers,generallly Mainstream Jocks and Abercrombie&Fitch types listen to the Kooks,The Killers,Franz Ferdinand and the Arcctic Monkeys and other bands that are not Indie! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.106.144 ( talk) 21:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Short and to the point: signed to major label = not " indie" . The end. Gmags2003 ( talk) 02:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC) 23 August 2009
They are a big band now, in the UK at least, so why hasn't someone expanded the article? Surely there is someone capable of doing a write-up about them inside of the basic stats + trivia we have at the moment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.133.210 ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 6 January 2007.
Who said they split up? They only said on myspace, that they will take a break from a very busy year.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.60.174.77 ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 13 January 2007.
Surely "TopShop Rock" can't be included as a genre? WHirl 22:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
THE KOOKS IS GEWOON EEN FANTASTISCHE GROEP EN DAAR MOET JE GEEN DOEKJES ROND DRAAIEN
WEET IEMAND OF ZE IS IN BELGIË GAAN OPTREDEN
I've added a Cleanup template to the article, it's got some major faults.
kiac ( talk) 10:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
None of my suggestions are being taken seriously. They are changed back as soon as I go back on the page! Please explain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.83.207 ( talk) 04:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Overall I think the changes I have made to this page have been beneficial. These include:
Throughout I have either entirely added new info or merely used the info this article contained and rewritten it to flow better, have also added more references and deleted trivia where I thought fit.
Have also submitted article for assessment to music project group.
-- RavensFists ( talk) 01:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the help, great have to have someone experienced editing here too, this is the first article I've ever edited on Wikipedia so I'm still getting to grips with
MOS and the quality of referencing needed, but hopefully will learn along the way.
Unfortunately looking at the
waiting list for assessment on the music project page the article probably won't get assessed for years, or never.
Will rewrite lead now and go on the search for better references in the hope of finding more info for expansion.
Thanks again --
RavensFists (
talk) 16:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, from what everyones telling me the Controversy section has to go, as it's point POV. However I happen to think it's mainly neutral in tone and fairly well written. Also looking at
The Killers article, it contains a Controversy section and is also listed as a GA......
However if anyone can rewrite it back in to main history section please go ahead, as I'm at a loss as to where it may fit properly so it can flow.
Thanks, --
RavensFists (
talk) 11:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Hi, I just noticed that the Max Rafferty link in the fourth paragraph of Rafferty's departure and Konk (2008–present) links to the wrong Max Rafferty, but I can't edit the article.
PS. Sorry, I don't know how to the the nametag thing at the end
~pritstick94 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pritstick94 ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
This needs updating as Paul Garred has left in late 2009, you can see here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_10050000/newsid_10057100/10057182.stm "In late 2009 drummer Paul Garred departed following to a nerve problem in his arm, following bassist Max Rafferty, who left to be replaced by Peter Denton." Martyncoup ( talk) 20:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, he has now been officially replaced by Chris Prendergast, they have updated this on their Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/thekooksofficial OllieBarnard ( talk) 10:57, 15 April 2010 (GMT)
Hi there, I took the time to update the article concerning the Garred/Prendergast switch. Just to let you know. -- Georgepauljohnringo ( talk) 14:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Chris Prendergast was a temporary drummer, while Paul was recovering from an arm injury. Now Garred is cured, (there's a few recent videos where he appears performing with the band) he becomes again the offical Kooks drummer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.4.93 ( talk) 13:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
the new album's been released, how about creating the article for that?
don't know how to do the signature thing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.231.164.127 ( talk) 04:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, years active states 2002, but it says they were formed in 2004? Not sure how they can be active before they formed.
Can someone with an account change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.6.125 ( talk) 12:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
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Is Naives TOTP performance really worthy of mention? It was no more special than any other performance, nor was it the bands debuet appearance on the show. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.14.45.236 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I have added the trivia template as the Performances list is growing but without a single supporting reference as to why anything on the list is notable. I suspect the whole list could (and probably should) be removed without detracting from the rest of the article. Any notable performances could be included in the text of the article rather than as a list. Lame Name ( talk) 06:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
is Max their origional and only bass player? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.131.76.195 ( talk • contribs) 15:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah but Max is back now!!!!
this is mostly hyperbole.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Discotrash ( talk • contribs) 14:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know why the page has been created at "Naïve" rather than "Naive" - all references to the song in all sources spell it the English way - without the "ï". Most important of all are the CD itself, and the band's official website. If there is no disagreement, I will go ahead and move the page to Naive (The Kooks song). DJR ( Talk) 12:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Surely UnOfficial (see External Links) should be spelt Unofficial, without the capital O, to keep with proper English? Or am I just totally deranged? Please tell me what you think... Matty! 11:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but the kooks sound nothing like the libertines, or dirty pretty things for that matter...-- Therealchaffinch 19:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think so. More like a West Country accent to me, best evidenced by the 'Don't let me down' line. Perhaps even bordering on Chinese on 'She Moves in Her Own Way'. mat_x 08:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
What the hell? Surely we want more information that that pieces of unnoteworthiness! A.S.A.P. please, thank you. Scotteh 15:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Luke Pritchard is the prime example of a drug addict, puking on himself and convulsing in bathroom stalls. Lovely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.198.242 ( talk) 03:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
There are a couple of points I feel need raising about the article:
Please post any comments! Thanks. Oggy 13:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
A target to aim for would be the Arctic Monkeys article. Iorek85 09:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
in my opnion, slave to the game should definately be considered a single, even if it was only distributed at the gigs. they intentionally put it out there for people to listen, and even those who didnt get their hands on it at a gig have it one way or another. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Musicyeah42 (
talk •
contribs) 02:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
accoarding to MTV. their album went triple plat. -thebird
http://www.themusiczine.com/content/view/131/42/ - Gig review, couldn't see a better place for it.
http://www.prefixmag.com/reviews/cds/K/the-kooks/inside-ininside-out/2655 - CD Review. Should we add a Professional Reviews section?
Http://www.thekooks.co.nr > Another The Kooks forum
Whoever has written this article has got totally confused between Luke Pritchard and Johnny Borrell. Please change this so that this article is wholly about The Kooks and not confused with Razorlight.
I checked their wiki entry to know more about the band, but there is little to mention about them. Anyone up for it? -- Soetermans 23:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
'Indie' has lost all meaning today, in the sense that it in no way denotes a band's record label status- it is simply a catch-all term that is applied to a guitar band whose music sits between harder rock and country/acoustic. The Kooks are most definitely not Blues rock though, and i'm not sure they are post-punk revival either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sausage Faced Weasel ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Should they really be called indie? Selling over a million copies on a major label (Virgin), doesn't seem to tie in with this. I understand that people refer to a genre as indie, when many of the bands they include in the genre are not on independent labels, but I prefer the old labelling of rock/pop. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.48.1.25 ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 31 December 2006.
To the first poster in this section: this is a universal encyclopedia, it doesn't matter what you "prefer", your personal opinion is not taken into account. Also, Kooks are less indie than, say Klaxons but are very far from Britpop, The Kooks are not even pop! Wikipedia's definiton of Britpop: "Britpop was a mid-1990s British alternative rock genre and movement that was at its most popular in Great Britain." The word indie has evolved and is now a genre not merely referring to bands signed with independent label, i expect most of you being from america find it hard to grasp that something new, exciting and popular emerged from somewhere outside of your continent, but it has, this should be shown in Wikipedia, all the above written by you is your opinion, not fact. Here I give you fact, Wikipedia's definition of indie: "The term (indie) has since become increasingly popular and is now often used to describe anything in music that is characterized by its perceived indepency from mainstream or pop culture as a whole. As such, it can be seen as a synonym for alternative music.[2][3]" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_%28music%29) Oh, oh dear, the indie classification remains. Phelim123 17:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Whatever,wikigeeks. The Kooks are no way indie.Britpop and Post-Punk Revival are rubbish aspects of what only the mainstream people think of indie. Black metal technically is indie,Nirvana were (at first) indie.....it isn't really atyle.Its just a word used by commerciaal radio and magazines to make 'Post-punk revival' and 'britpop' more understandable to teenagers. 'Indie kids' listen to Fleet Foxes and Godspeed You!Black Emperor. Unless they're posers,generallly Mainstream Jocks and Abercrombie&Fitch types listen to the Kooks,The Killers,Franz Ferdinand and the Arcctic Monkeys and other bands that are not Indie! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.106.144 ( talk) 21:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Short and to the point: signed to major label = not " indie" . The end. Gmags2003 ( talk) 02:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC) 23 August 2009
They are a big band now, in the UK at least, so why hasn't someone expanded the article? Surely there is someone capable of doing a write-up about them inside of the basic stats + trivia we have at the moment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.133.210 ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 6 January 2007.
Who said they split up? They only said on myspace, that they will take a break from a very busy year.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.60.174.77 ( talk • contribs) 12:31, 13 January 2007.
Surely "TopShop Rock" can't be included as a genre? WHirl 22:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
THE KOOKS IS GEWOON EEN FANTASTISCHE GROEP EN DAAR MOET JE GEEN DOEKJES ROND DRAAIEN
WEET IEMAND OF ZE IS IN BELGIË GAAN OPTREDEN
I've added a Cleanup template to the article, it's got some major faults.
kiac ( talk) 10:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
None of my suggestions are being taken seriously. They are changed back as soon as I go back on the page! Please explain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.83.207 ( talk) 04:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Overall I think the changes I have made to this page have been beneficial. These include:
Throughout I have either entirely added new info or merely used the info this article contained and rewritten it to flow better, have also added more references and deleted trivia where I thought fit.
Have also submitted article for assessment to music project group.
-- RavensFists ( talk) 01:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the help, great have to have someone experienced editing here too, this is the first article I've ever edited on Wikipedia so I'm still getting to grips with
MOS and the quality of referencing needed, but hopefully will learn along the way.
Unfortunately looking at the
waiting list for assessment on the music project page the article probably won't get assessed for years, or never.
Will rewrite lead now and go on the search for better references in the hope of finding more info for expansion.
Thanks again --
RavensFists (
talk) 16:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, from what everyones telling me the Controversy section has to go, as it's point POV. However I happen to think it's mainly neutral in tone and fairly well written. Also looking at
The Killers article, it contains a Controversy section and is also listed as a GA......
However if anyone can rewrite it back in to main history section please go ahead, as I'm at a loss as to where it may fit properly so it can flow.
Thanks, --
RavensFists (
talk) 11:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Hi, I just noticed that the Max Rafferty link in the fourth paragraph of Rafferty's departure and Konk (2008–present) links to the wrong Max Rafferty, but I can't edit the article.
PS. Sorry, I don't know how to the the nametag thing at the end
~pritstick94 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pritstick94 ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
This needs updating as Paul Garred has left in late 2009, you can see here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_10050000/newsid_10057100/10057182.stm "In late 2009 drummer Paul Garred departed following to a nerve problem in his arm, following bassist Max Rafferty, who left to be replaced by Peter Denton." Martyncoup ( talk) 20:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Also, he has now been officially replaced by Chris Prendergast, they have updated this on their Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/thekooksofficial OllieBarnard ( talk) 10:57, 15 April 2010 (GMT)
Hi there, I took the time to update the article concerning the Garred/Prendergast switch. Just to let you know. -- Georgepauljohnringo ( talk) 14:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Chris Prendergast was a temporary drummer, while Paul was recovering from an arm injury. Now Garred is cured, (there's a few recent videos where he appears performing with the band) he becomes again the offical Kooks drummer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.4.93 ( talk) 13:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
the new album's been released, how about creating the article for that?
don't know how to do the signature thing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.231.164.127 ( talk) 04:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, years active states 2002, but it says they were formed in 2004? Not sure how they can be active before they formed.
Can someone with an account change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.6.125 ( talk) 12:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
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The Kooks have released many B-Sides and demos over the years. For example, the single for Naïve featured a b-side song called Tea and Biscuits while the single Sofa Song contained a b-side called Something to Say. In more recent albums the Kooks have released very little in terms of b-sides, the only one coming alongside the down EP which contained 3 bonus songs. Although, there was a deluxe album that coincided with the release of their 4th studio album listen. No b-sides were released alongside Let’s Go Sunshine. DavidHogg67 ( talk) 23:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)