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I think Lulz Security should be included in this Techno-Utopianism article, perhaps a section on the Hacktivist self-empowerment events could also refer to Anonymous Group and WikiLeaks?
Link regarding Lulz Sony-hack http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13633011
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 11:10, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
The Pirate Party could also be mentioned in conjunction with Lulz and Anonymous. The Pirate Party is mentioned by many third party sources. I was reminded of The Pirate Party because Lulz is using bitcoin for donations (Bitcoin is also mentioned by many third party sources). Rick FalkVinge recently stated he was putting all his savings into Bitcoin.
The Lulz Security issue has reminded me that a big chunk of techno-utopianism is missing.
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 11:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Here's a good front page of the WSJ regarding a Lulz hack: http://i.imgur.com/DsgWI.jpg
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 12:06, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Here is a good quote from Forbes linking together the three issues of WikiLeaks, Anonymous, and Lulz:
"One member of the LulzSec hacking group, calling himself Whirlpool, told me in an interview this morning over Instant Message chat that the hack had been a nod to WikiLeaks and Anonymous, after many who support the larger online collective were angered by the PBS documentary “WikiSecrets” and its portrayal of whistleblower Bradley Manning when it broadcast a week ago."
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 12:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Humour forms part of the group's agenda, as outlined on its website. "Considering fun is now restricted to Friday, where we look forward to the weekend, weekend, we have now taken it upon ourselves to spread fun, fun, fun, throughout the entire calendar year," declares a message on the front page. The humour references seem to be intended to separate the group from others that hack for money. But not everything LulzSec does is for the fun of it. The group also hacked the website of America's Public Broadcasting Service because it made a documentary critical of Wikileaks.
I think Bitcoins should be mentioned in this article. I was reading in Forbes about how US$7,000 have recently been donated to Lulz. There are wide variety of articles about Bitcoin published by Fox, Time, Washington Post, Financial Times, EFF (incidentally I am surprised EFF is not mentioned anywhere in this Wikipedia article), and Forbes; Rick Falkvinge has also made references to Bitcoin, and he states he is changing all his money into Bitcoins. Here is the Forbes link: http://blogs.forbes.com/parmyolson/2011/06/06/lulzsec-hackers-posts-sony-dev-source-code-get-7k-donation/
Clearly Bitcoins comply with the Wikipedia header description of technoutopiaism, in that they "at least help to fulfill one or another utopian ideal." Being able to electronically trade via an unregulated currency where transactions cannot be monitored by Governments or financial institutions, and transaction charges cannot be applied, this clearly fulfills "one or another utopian ideal". 86.162.82.74 ( talk) 08:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Since it launched this February, Silk Road has represented the most complete implementation of the Bitcoin vision. Many of its users come from Bitcoin's utopian geek community and see Silk Road as more than just a place to buy drugs. Silk Road's administrator cites the anarcho-libertarian philosophy of Agorism.
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That basic formula with the utopian "decentralized" caveat drives the Bitcoin model. Nakamoto forged the original 50 units of Bitcoin (BTC) currency in 2009 supplying a small number of users with the money and outlining an algorithmic system through which more units could be created. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/06/bitcoin-mtgox-hack-collapse-anonymous-lulzsec/39023/
Article needs to be rewritten to conform to Wikipedia's standards, the article seems to be pushing an ideology over WP:Fact.
"Technological utopianism (often called techno-utopianism or technoutopianism) refers to any ideology based on the belief that advances in science and technology will eventually bring about a utopia, or at least help to fulfill one or another utopian ideal. A techno-utopia is therefore a hypothetical ideal society, in which laws, government, and social conditions are solely operating for the benefit and well-being of all its citizens, set in the near- or far-future, when advanced science and technology will allow these ideal living standards to exist; for example, post-scarcity, transformations in human nature, the abolition of suffering and even the end of death."
to:
"Technological utopianism (often called techno-utopianism) is an ideology that holds the belief that advances in science and technology will eventually bring about a utopia, or conform to utopian ideals, in which the laws, government, and social conditions, are operating for the benefit and well-being of its citizens."
Dark Liberty ( talk) 04:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
The citation given for "the four principles of modern technological utopians in the late 20th and early 21st centuries" is from a book published in 1977 (Bernard Gendron's Technology and the Human Condition).
I'm looking at a copy of Rushkoff's "Renaissance Now!", and it appears that the list appearing in the "principles" section which recounts the principles of "Renaissance Now!" is analysis. The bolded phrases are not explicitly stated by Rushkoff but instead have been synthesized from his work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.254.132 ( talk) 05:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I believe I was the first to use this term, in my book A History of Modern Computing MIT Press, 1998, first edition, pp. 33, 348. The first instance was referring to a statement in the July-August 1954 issue of the Harvard Business Review, bu Roddy Osborn, referring to the installation of a UNIVAC I computer at the General Electric plant in Louisville. The second was referring to a cover of Byte magazine, January 1977, depicting an Altair 8800 personal comp0uter, an image of a beautiful city on the scree, while in the background is a rust-belt polluted city.
If anyone knows of an earlier citation, let me know. If this belongs in Wiki Quotes or elsewhere, please let me know.
Paul Ceruzzi
Marc Andreessen published an essay The Techno-Optimist Manifesto describing some terms and defining what is "techno-optimism" and what is "techno-pessimism". Mentioning de-growth, depopulation and nihilism. Can an essay be cited as a credible document describing techno-optimism? Should e/acc page be created? Kazkaskazkasako ( talk) 07:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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I think Lulz Security should be included in this Techno-Utopianism article, perhaps a section on the Hacktivist self-empowerment events could also refer to Anonymous Group and WikiLeaks?
Link regarding Lulz Sony-hack http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13633011
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 11:10, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
The Pirate Party could also be mentioned in conjunction with Lulz and Anonymous. The Pirate Party is mentioned by many third party sources. I was reminded of The Pirate Party because Lulz is using bitcoin for donations (Bitcoin is also mentioned by many third party sources). Rick FalkVinge recently stated he was putting all his savings into Bitcoin.
The Lulz Security issue has reminded me that a big chunk of techno-utopianism is missing.
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 11:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Here's a good front page of the WSJ regarding a Lulz hack: http://i.imgur.com/DsgWI.jpg
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 12:06, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Here is a good quote from Forbes linking together the three issues of WikiLeaks, Anonymous, and Lulz:
"One member of the LulzSec hacking group, calling himself Whirlpool, told me in an interview this morning over Instant Message chat that the hack had been a nod to WikiLeaks and Anonymous, after many who support the larger online collective were angered by the PBS documentary “WikiSecrets” and its portrayal of whistleblower Bradley Manning when it broadcast a week ago."
86.186.63.56 ( talk) 12:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Humour forms part of the group's agenda, as outlined on its website. "Considering fun is now restricted to Friday, where we look forward to the weekend, weekend, we have now taken it upon ourselves to spread fun, fun, fun, throughout the entire calendar year," declares a message on the front page. The humour references seem to be intended to separate the group from others that hack for money. But not everything LulzSec does is for the fun of it. The group also hacked the website of America's Public Broadcasting Service because it made a documentary critical of Wikileaks.
I think Bitcoins should be mentioned in this article. I was reading in Forbes about how US$7,000 have recently been donated to Lulz. There are wide variety of articles about Bitcoin published by Fox, Time, Washington Post, Financial Times, EFF (incidentally I am surprised EFF is not mentioned anywhere in this Wikipedia article), and Forbes; Rick Falkvinge has also made references to Bitcoin, and he states he is changing all his money into Bitcoins. Here is the Forbes link: http://blogs.forbes.com/parmyolson/2011/06/06/lulzsec-hackers-posts-sony-dev-source-code-get-7k-donation/
Clearly Bitcoins comply with the Wikipedia header description of technoutopiaism, in that they "at least help to fulfill one or another utopian ideal." Being able to electronically trade via an unregulated currency where transactions cannot be monitored by Governments or financial institutions, and transaction charges cannot be applied, this clearly fulfills "one or another utopian ideal". 86.162.82.74 ( talk) 08:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC)JACK BLACK
Since it launched this February, Silk Road has represented the most complete implementation of the Bitcoin vision. Many of its users come from Bitcoin's utopian geek community and see Silk Road as more than just a place to buy drugs. Silk Road's administrator cites the anarcho-libertarian philosophy of Agorism.
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That basic formula with the utopian "decentralized" caveat drives the Bitcoin model. Nakamoto forged the original 50 units of Bitcoin (BTC) currency in 2009 supplying a small number of users with the money and outlining an algorithmic system through which more units could be created. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/06/bitcoin-mtgox-hack-collapse-anonymous-lulzsec/39023/
Article needs to be rewritten to conform to Wikipedia's standards, the article seems to be pushing an ideology over WP:Fact.
"Technological utopianism (often called techno-utopianism or technoutopianism) refers to any ideology based on the belief that advances in science and technology will eventually bring about a utopia, or at least help to fulfill one or another utopian ideal. A techno-utopia is therefore a hypothetical ideal society, in which laws, government, and social conditions are solely operating for the benefit and well-being of all its citizens, set in the near- or far-future, when advanced science and technology will allow these ideal living standards to exist; for example, post-scarcity, transformations in human nature, the abolition of suffering and even the end of death."
to:
"Technological utopianism (often called techno-utopianism) is an ideology that holds the belief that advances in science and technology will eventually bring about a utopia, or conform to utopian ideals, in which the laws, government, and social conditions, are operating for the benefit and well-being of its citizens."
Dark Liberty ( talk) 04:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
The citation given for "the four principles of modern technological utopians in the late 20th and early 21st centuries" is from a book published in 1977 (Bernard Gendron's Technology and the Human Condition).
I'm looking at a copy of Rushkoff's "Renaissance Now!", and it appears that the list appearing in the "principles" section which recounts the principles of "Renaissance Now!" is analysis. The bolded phrases are not explicitly stated by Rushkoff but instead have been synthesized from his work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.254.132 ( talk) 05:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I believe I was the first to use this term, in my book A History of Modern Computing MIT Press, 1998, first edition, pp. 33, 348. The first instance was referring to a statement in the July-August 1954 issue of the Harvard Business Review, bu Roddy Osborn, referring to the installation of a UNIVAC I computer at the General Electric plant in Louisville. The second was referring to a cover of Byte magazine, January 1977, depicting an Altair 8800 personal comp0uter, an image of a beautiful city on the scree, while in the background is a rust-belt polluted city.
If anyone knows of an earlier citation, let me know. If this belongs in Wiki Quotes or elsewhere, please let me know.
Paul Ceruzzi
Marc Andreessen published an essay The Techno-Optimist Manifesto describing some terms and defining what is "techno-optimism" and what is "techno-pessimism". Mentioning de-growth, depopulation and nihilism. Can an essay be cited as a credible document describing techno-optimism? Should e/acc page be created? Kazkaskazkasako ( talk) 07:03, 18 October 2023 (UTC)