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What?!
What about the early to mid-90s?
There were lots of songs in this genre that were very popular then. Bolegash ( talk) 03:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Maybe you're thinking of House music or Eurodance. Of course everything electronic these days gets called synth or electropop for some weird reason. Theburning25 ( talk) 04:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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There is quite a lot of work here. Unfortunately, this is a weekend when I do not have a lot of free time, so there may be a need for patience over some of this.-- SabreBD ( talk) 08:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
On holdThis article has made great progress since this version in June, and all those involved are to be commended for the work they have done. There is much to like and admire in this article. It is clear that good research has been done, and much material has been assembled. I feel that there is a decent article here, though it needs some work to bring it out. There needs to be some clarity about what synthpop is, and when it emerged and was at its height. There needs to be clarity of the difference between synthpop and other forms of electronic music, so a reader can identify what synthpop is, and also so the editors of this article can decide who to include and why - the second paragraph of Declining popularity and development, for example, appears to be wandering away from synthpop. The prose needs sharpening so that jargon is avoided or explained. Some material needs to be trimmed, so the article focuses on synthpop rather than the entire history of electronic music. The article needs a decent copyedit to ensure flow and meaning and relevance. Some of the sourcing needs looking at. This may seem a lot of work, but it's just a case of tidying up what is here. It may be that the main contributors can see the flaws and can do the tidying up themselves; or it may need a fresh pair of eyes to come in and do the work. Main points:
I'll put this on hold to allow the work to be done, and in the meantime I'll do a bit more background reading into synthpop. Any questions, please give me a ping. SilkTork ✔Tea time 01:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes, recovered (apart from a sore toe - I suspect I may lose the toe nail), and now preparing for the French Riviera Marathon in November. I'm just wrapping up Talk:Courtney Love/GA1 - editing there hasn't progressed as much as it could, so I'm getting directly involved to see if the article can be cleaned up enough to list it. There appears to be sufficient information - so I think it's just a question of ensuring the souring is adequate and also tidying the prose and presentation. When I've finished there I'll come straight here. I'm pleased to say that of the GANS I picked up a month ago, I have listed 10 and only had to fail 3. I still have 4 left, including this one, and I would be reluctant to allow them to fail at this stage. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC) |
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Very good article - I'm impressed at the improvements that have been made. I have two small quibbles to be dealt with. The main one is the inclusion of mention of Synthpop's influence in the lead. The other one is include some balancing critical comments, though that could be seen as part of ongoing development. I'll put on hold again to allow the work to be done. SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Nice one. This is a very useful and informative article. Keep working on it, and you can take it to FA. SilkTork ✔Tea time 20:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Electro pop/ Synt pop being in Germany, only there, then British bands started to play this music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.160.148.42 ( talk) 14:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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A public thanks to Sabrebd who did the majority of work on this project and the other editors who chipped in when they were able to. Sabrebd took the initiative from maintenance or preventing the article from moving backwards to moving it way forward. Edkollin ( talk) 22:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the criticisms section (circa now) taking a lot of liberty with itself?-- 72.173.160.58 ( talk) 00:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
cousinofelvis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.216.5 ( talk) 09:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
1. Is ONE (Dutch) guy (see www.discogs.com).
2. Hasn't much to do with Synth Pop at all, he mainly produces Electro.
3. "Space Invaders" first came out in 1997.
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Just search for "I-f" in the article. ;-) http://www.discogs.com/search?q=i-f+space+invaders+1997+vinyl&type=all -- 78.48.128.7 ( talk) 20:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC) Gabbahead
Allmusic.com says it declined after 1983 and a BBC documentary called "Synth Britannia" also uses 1983 as the climax year for the genre's popularity. I propose the page reflects this, unless there are disagreements.
Not saying the Wonky pop contruct / marketing strategy is derived from Synth pop but most definately associated with it - you only have to check the artists involved in it i.e. the Wonky pop tours.It's definately part of the 21st century revival if you like that or not - it's a fact / cannot be disputed.I'm only passing on what has happened / the truth.Whether or not a Wonky pop backlash has happened or not doesn't come into it.Wonky pop is still actually mentioned in music press articles, so it is still relevent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 ( talk • contribs) 12:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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Its Spelled Nu-Wave not new Wave
Thank you its extremely insulting to protect something like that
Wfku ( talk) 22:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
This article was not semi-protected because of spelling. It was semi protected because a there was a nearly continuous stream unsourced additions. If we are talking about the same thing a 1980s music genre I have never seen it spelled "Nu-Wave" only "New Wave". I am not saying it is not spelled "Nu-Wave" somewhere, but we need reliable sourcing for this. Edkollin ( talk) 20:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Read this on the Wonky_Pop - " Wonky Pop page was credited with causing a shift in popular musical tastes from male-driven guitar acts to female-driven 1980s style pop music seen in the synthpop revival of the later 2000s " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopfeatures/5978573/La-Roux-Lady-Gaga-Mika-Little-Boots-the-80s-are-back.html
A similar reference is made but it doesn't actually mention Wonky pop, since the BBC & the Guardian associate this Synth-pop movement with Wonky pop, shouldn't some reference be made to it. To compare the Synthpop entry (under the heading is - Synth pop 21st century rival) " the British and other media proclaimed a new era of female electropop stars, citing band acts such as Little Boots, La Roux and Ladyhawke " - seems like part of the same movement to me.Why no reference to Wonky pop ????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
It's not me that is stretching the connection it's the Guardian that is doing that .Perhaps they are privy to some of info below. Iain Watt (Machine Management - http://www.discogs.com/search?type=all&q=Iain+Watt http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/908567695) who manages Mika and founded the Wonky Pop brand , which includes live events and a record label (Wonky pop Limited (now dissolved it seems)- managing director Alex Hardee, also of Coda booking agency http://www.codaagency.com/coda/default.aspx) .Iain Watt is also the manager of Alphabeat & Goldfrapp two prominant synth pop artist's. " The Wonky Pop Tour is the collective name for three artists: Alphabeat, Frankmusik and Leon Jean Marie, who in 2008 toured venues around England under this name " - again including two prominant synth pop artist's (Alphabeat again one of them) http://livemusic.fm/band/the-wonky-pop-tour . If someone wants to add an entry into Synth pop with the obvious connection with Wonky pop - feel free.Any entry I try to make will deleted by Ridernyc it seems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
I think the industrial music origins of synthpop should be mentioned in the article because many industrial musicians such as Gary Numan, Nine Inch Nails and Ministry made synthpop music at least at one point of their musical careers and even in nowadays synthpop is regarded as a part of Rivethead culture. Apart from that, Depeche Mode is sometimes labeled as "industrial pop". - Myxomatosis75 ( talk) 19:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Synthpunk is not fusion of both Punk rock and Synthpop, but Electronic music.
Techno is rather derivative genre. -- 82.139.5.13 ( talk) 21:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Well DEVO can be considered "Synthpunk" in the sense of fusing Punk Rock and Synthpop. Theburning25 ( talk) 04:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Synthpop received criticism for its limited and artificial sound and for its associations with alternative sexualities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.222.58.132 ( talk) 17:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there any userbox for Synth-Pop fans to include in user page? Yoshida Keiji ( talk) 11:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Should electropop be here? I'm getting alternating sources on where it should be placed. This book on Lady Gaga states that the song "Just Dance" is " a disco song (known more popularly today as electropop)". This book also relates Gaga's style in both disco and electropop contexts here. This LGBT magazine, refers to Vitamin C's album "More" as "the definition of electropop" as well here here. Then there is this definition of the genre in this book, which seems to be the only major source trying to describe what the genre sounds like here. This could be enough information to give electropop it's own article, but since it seems to differ enough from synthpop, does it really belong in this article? I understand that the genre seems to have been tossed around in different terms in the 80s then it does now, but I think we need some clarification, especially since the article currently lists several artists in their cites (Britney, Lady Gaga, etc.) as synthpop when the articles themselves say electropop. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 05:49, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
With the electronic dance music scene still growing thanks to the turn of the decade dubstep splash, other genres are going to be explored. I've actually brushed into synthpop from the other direction, coming from the EBM/industrial scene. I first noted that the vocal styles of these synthpop artists were very 80s-esque like Pet Shop Boys, and upon reaching the page, was pleased to see them listed as an initiator of the genre. While I agree that synthpop is most likely experiencing some revival, I cannot connect Kesha with synthpop. Her music is "electropop" or something else that is related directly to mainstream pop music. The presence of synths in her music shouldn't lump her in with artists that sound completely different. La Roux at least maintains a hint of the melancholy vocals associated with the genre's origin, while Kesha's vocals and synths are more correlated with mainstream pop sounds that are emerging as artists merge more electro sounds into their production. Some part of what the page is considering synthpop needs to become known as something else and be moved elsewhere. Enonesohc ( talk) 08:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I am not exactly new to WP but nor do I know to use it particularly well. Apols for my bads. I am worried about the controversy possible around my injecting of Paul McCartney into the Synthpop article and am here to explain myself. Note that I carry no Macca axe as such BUT Because of the FACTUAL chart history, and the FACTUAL music/recording content of its material, I have just added the Wings single 'With a Little Luck'. Synthpop by any definition (there's only bass guitar other than synths on it), it dates from 1977 and happens to have hit US No 1 in Spring 1978. It is impossible to introduce it to the mix without some revision to the idea that synthpop didn't really 'get in there' til 1981 but unfortunatelty any attempt to exclude him gets, these days, troubled by the recent idea that in 1979 he's charting synthpop with 'Arrow Through Me', 'Wonderful Christmas Time' and these days is thought to have charted further synthpop and proto-techno with tracks from/around his 1980 'McCartney II' album. In other words, this ain't going away. Some restructuring on the narrative is necessary to take factual account of him, regardless of any opinion on him. I've made a start by placing the fact of the success of 'With A Little Luck' just prior to the release of 'Being Boiled' as a breakthrough for the instrument and opening this topic for further discussion. Please don't start on why he's 'no good' or something like that but consider the factual basis of this 'challenge to received wisdom'. Even as it stands the article and some of the source books on Synthpop seem to be pussyfooting around it for a long time and since a lot of the electronic artists consider him 'in there', it's just time to talk about it. Michaelk xsx ( talk) 14:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for taking an interest here, SabreBD. The Original Research 'edge' here seems to be about the WP article's definition of 'Synthpop'. A 'genre of popular music that first became prominent in the 1980s, in which the synthesizer is the dominant musical instrument'. This readily and transparently admits substantial quantities of tracks in McCartney's late 70's output as soon as 'reliable' articles which say it are proposed. But what's more at issue is that as soon as that is done, the passage '..that first became prominent in the 1980s..' not only becomes incorrect by the fact of a 1978 example ('With A Little Luck') having been US Number One but there is a slightly-more-than-'heretical' implication that McCartney becomes one of the category's strongest early proponents. It is THIS that I'm flagging for talk because the addition of 'reliable sources' may actually trigger further controversy. I hope I'm making any kind of sense here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelk xsx ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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fix an error in Influence section, there's Rhianna instead of Rihanna. Rhianna never embraced synthpop and was less popular, but Rihanna did and she is much more popular.
And also, decapitalize the words "dance music" in See Also section, due to grammar issues. 178.235.183.165 ( talk) 09:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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May I suggest you add the pop duo 'Yazoo' (known as Yaz in North America) to the list of UK synthpop groups mentioned under the paragraph 'Commercial success (1981-85)'. I suggest the best place is probably the paragraph that starts with the words 'By the end of 1982, these acts had been joined in the charts by …' The reason for this inclusion is that Yazoo (Yaz) was a major player in 1980s' synthpop, releasing two groundbreaking and highly successful albums in 1982 and 1983. Please also could you link the name Yazoo to the relevant webpage. Many thanks. Imperator654 ( talk) 17:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
The article has been semi-protected for more than two years and it gets around 1100 views a day. Do the regular editors of the page have an objection to the page being unprotected or pending changes protected? Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 01:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I find it highly ridiculous that this article mentions a lot of these bubblegum pop groups (Kesha, Britney Spears etc.) as some sort of revivalists, that have very little actual ties to Synthpop music, when there's been a constant strong connection to first wave Synthpop music within the Post-/Electro-Industrial/EBM/Darkwave scene. This even includes an offshoot of Synthpop called Futurepop, which mixes Synthpop with EBM & Trance music. With no mention of these groups whatsoever in the article! Groups such as Wolfsheim, S.P.O.C.K. , Beborn Beton, and offshoot Futurepop groups such as Apoptygma Berzerk, VNV Nation, and Covenant. JanderVK ( talk) 17:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Synthpop existed also in the 1990s. There are no revivalists because it was never really dead. In the 1990s, it was primarily popular in the DarkWave/EBM/Electronic underground music scene, bands such as And One, Elegant Machinery, De/Vision, Pitch Yarn Of Matter, Kiethevez, Second Decay, Northern Territories, and tons of other artists produced '80s-styled SynthPop music for the '90s.
Someone keeps having fun removing the typical instruments to piss people off and its not funny. so whoever is doing this is stupid. Please if anyone has the originals of the typical instruments on the genres I am requesting it back. Common sense would look at the article itself and see that its a synthesizer that makes the genre. Why the hate of instruments used for certain genres? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.89.236 ( talk) 19:32, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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What?!
What about the early to mid-90s?
There were lots of songs in this genre that were very popular then. Bolegash ( talk) 03:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Maybe you're thinking of House music or Eurodance. Of course everything electronic these days gets called synth or electropop for some weird reason. Theburning25 ( talk) 04:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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I'll take a look and start to leave some comments within the next few days. I am taking on board a batch of reviews, so it may be some time before I start to comment. I am also by nature a fairly slow and thorough reviewer who likes to check out sources, so this is unlikely to be quick. However, I am always willing to help out on the editing, and will make direct minor adjustments myself rather than list them. I always welcome discussion, and see the review process as entirely collaborative. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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There is quite a lot of work here. Unfortunately, this is a weekend when I do not have a lot of free time, so there may be a need for patience over some of this.-- SabreBD ( talk) 08:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
On holdThis article has made great progress since this version in June, and all those involved are to be commended for the work they have done. There is much to like and admire in this article. It is clear that good research has been done, and much material has been assembled. I feel that there is a decent article here, though it needs some work to bring it out. There needs to be some clarity about what synthpop is, and when it emerged and was at its height. There needs to be clarity of the difference between synthpop and other forms of electronic music, so a reader can identify what synthpop is, and also so the editors of this article can decide who to include and why - the second paragraph of Declining popularity and development, for example, appears to be wandering away from synthpop. The prose needs sharpening so that jargon is avoided or explained. Some material needs to be trimmed, so the article focuses on synthpop rather than the entire history of electronic music. The article needs a decent copyedit to ensure flow and meaning and relevance. Some of the sourcing needs looking at. This may seem a lot of work, but it's just a case of tidying up what is here. It may be that the main contributors can see the flaws and can do the tidying up themselves; or it may need a fresh pair of eyes to come in and do the work. Main points:
I'll put this on hold to allow the work to be done, and in the meantime I'll do a bit more background reading into synthpop. Any questions, please give me a ping. SilkTork ✔Tea time 01:15, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes, recovered (apart from a sore toe - I suspect I may lose the toe nail), and now preparing for the French Riviera Marathon in November. I'm just wrapping up Talk:Courtney Love/GA1 - editing there hasn't progressed as much as it could, so I'm getting directly involved to see if the article can be cleaned up enough to list it. There appears to be sufficient information - so I think it's just a question of ensuring the souring is adequate and also tidying the prose and presentation. When I've finished there I'll come straight here. I'm pleased to say that of the GANS I picked up a month ago, I have listed 10 and only had to fail 3. I still have 4 left, including this one, and I would be reluctant to allow them to fail at this stage. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC) |
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Wiping the blackboard to make a fresh list so we can see where we are. SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Very good article - I'm impressed at the improvements that have been made. I have two small quibbles to be dealt with. The main one is the inclusion of mention of Synthpop's influence in the lead. The other one is include some balancing critical comments, though that could be seen as part of ongoing development. I'll put on hold again to allow the work to be done. SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:30, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Nice one. This is a very useful and informative article. Keep working on it, and you can take it to FA. SilkTork ✔Tea time 20:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Electro pop/ Synt pop being in Germany, only there, then British bands started to play this music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.160.148.42 ( talk) 14:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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Efforts to improve the article are ongoing in a deliberate and cautious way by caring editors. At the same there have been many efforts by editors to make changes both it additions or deletions based solely on their opinion of the truth or the obvious and with no apparent consideration for Wikipedia guidelines about reliable sourcing. While the article his still being improved it is doing so in a one step backwards two steps forward process slowing the overall improvement of the article"
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A public thanks to Sabrebd who did the majority of work on this project and the other editors who chipped in when they were able to. Sabrebd took the initiative from maintenance or preventing the article from moving backwards to moving it way forward. Edkollin ( talk) 22:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the criticisms section (circa now) taking a lot of liberty with itself?-- 72.173.160.58 ( talk) 00:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
cousinofelvis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.216.5 ( talk) 09:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
1. Is ONE (Dutch) guy (see www.discogs.com).
2. Hasn't much to do with Synth Pop at all, he mainly produces Electro.
3. "Space Invaders" first came out in 1997.
I can't edit the article. Gabbahead --
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Just search for "I-f" in the article. ;-) http://www.discogs.com/search?q=i-f+space+invaders+1997+vinyl&type=all -- 78.48.128.7 ( talk) 20:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC) Gabbahead
Allmusic.com says it declined after 1983 and a BBC documentary called "Synth Britannia" also uses 1983 as the climax year for the genre's popularity. I propose the page reflects this, unless there are disagreements.
Not saying the Wonky pop contruct / marketing strategy is derived from Synth pop but most definately associated with it - you only have to check the artists involved in it i.e. the Wonky pop tours.It's definately part of the 21st century revival if you like that or not - it's a fact / cannot be disputed.I'm only passing on what has happened / the truth.Whether or not a Wonky pop backlash has happened or not doesn't come into it.Wonky pop is still actually mentioned in music press articles, so it is still relevent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 ( talk • contribs) 12:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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Its Spelled Nu-Wave not new Wave
Thank you its extremely insulting to protect something like that
Wfku ( talk) 22:54, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
This article was not semi-protected because of spelling. It was semi protected because a there was a nearly continuous stream unsourced additions. If we are talking about the same thing a 1980s music genre I have never seen it spelled "Nu-Wave" only "New Wave". I am not saying it is not spelled "Nu-Wave" somewhere, but we need reliable sourcing for this. Edkollin ( talk) 20:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Read this on the Wonky_Pop - " Wonky Pop page was credited with causing a shift in popular musical tastes from male-driven guitar acts to female-driven 1980s style pop music seen in the synthpop revival of the later 2000s " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopfeatures/5978573/La-Roux-Lady-Gaga-Mika-Little-Boots-the-80s-are-back.html
A similar reference is made but it doesn't actually mention Wonky pop, since the BBC & the Guardian associate this Synth-pop movement with Wonky pop, shouldn't some reference be made to it. To compare the Synthpop entry (under the heading is - Synth pop 21st century rival) " the British and other media proclaimed a new era of female electropop stars, citing band acts such as Little Boots, La Roux and Ladyhawke " - seems like part of the same movement to me.Why no reference to Wonky pop ????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
It's not me that is stretching the connection it's the Guardian that is doing that .Perhaps they are privy to some of info below. Iain Watt (Machine Management - http://www.discogs.com/search?type=all&q=Iain+Watt http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/908567695) who manages Mika and founded the Wonky Pop brand , which includes live events and a record label (Wonky pop Limited (now dissolved it seems)- managing director Alex Hardee, also of Coda booking agency http://www.codaagency.com/coda/default.aspx) .Iain Watt is also the manager of Alphabeat & Goldfrapp two prominant synth pop artist's. " The Wonky Pop Tour is the collective name for three artists: Alphabeat, Frankmusik and Leon Jean Marie, who in 2008 toured venues around England under this name " - again including two prominant synth pop artist's (Alphabeat again one of them) http://livemusic.fm/band/the-wonky-pop-tour . If someone wants to add an entry into Synth pop with the obvious connection with Wonky pop - feel free.Any entry I try to make will deleted by Ridernyc it seems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
I think the industrial music origins of synthpop should be mentioned in the article because many industrial musicians such as Gary Numan, Nine Inch Nails and Ministry made synthpop music at least at one point of their musical careers and even in nowadays synthpop is regarded as a part of Rivethead culture. Apart from that, Depeche Mode is sometimes labeled as "industrial pop". - Myxomatosis75 ( talk) 19:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Synthpunk is not fusion of both Punk rock and Synthpop, but Electronic music.
Techno is rather derivative genre. -- 82.139.5.13 ( talk) 21:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Well DEVO can be considered "Synthpunk" in the sense of fusing Punk Rock and Synthpop. Theburning25 ( talk) 04:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Synthpop received criticism for its limited and artificial sound and for its associations with alternative sexualities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.222.58.132 ( talk) 17:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there any userbox for Synth-Pop fans to include in user page? Yoshida Keiji ( talk) 11:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Should electropop be here? I'm getting alternating sources on where it should be placed. This book on Lady Gaga states that the song "Just Dance" is " a disco song (known more popularly today as electropop)". This book also relates Gaga's style in both disco and electropop contexts here. This LGBT magazine, refers to Vitamin C's album "More" as "the definition of electropop" as well here here. Then there is this definition of the genre in this book, which seems to be the only major source trying to describe what the genre sounds like here. This could be enough information to give electropop it's own article, but since it seems to differ enough from synthpop, does it really belong in this article? I understand that the genre seems to have been tossed around in different terms in the 80s then it does now, but I think we need some clarification, especially since the article currently lists several artists in their cites (Britney, Lady Gaga, etc.) as synthpop when the articles themselves say electropop. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 05:49, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
With the electronic dance music scene still growing thanks to the turn of the decade dubstep splash, other genres are going to be explored. I've actually brushed into synthpop from the other direction, coming from the EBM/industrial scene. I first noted that the vocal styles of these synthpop artists were very 80s-esque like Pet Shop Boys, and upon reaching the page, was pleased to see them listed as an initiator of the genre. While I agree that synthpop is most likely experiencing some revival, I cannot connect Kesha with synthpop. Her music is "electropop" or something else that is related directly to mainstream pop music. The presence of synths in her music shouldn't lump her in with artists that sound completely different. La Roux at least maintains a hint of the melancholy vocals associated with the genre's origin, while Kesha's vocals and synths are more correlated with mainstream pop sounds that are emerging as artists merge more electro sounds into their production. Some part of what the page is considering synthpop needs to become known as something else and be moved elsewhere. Enonesohc ( talk) 08:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I am not exactly new to WP but nor do I know to use it particularly well. Apols for my bads. I am worried about the controversy possible around my injecting of Paul McCartney into the Synthpop article and am here to explain myself. Note that I carry no Macca axe as such BUT Because of the FACTUAL chart history, and the FACTUAL music/recording content of its material, I have just added the Wings single 'With a Little Luck'. Synthpop by any definition (there's only bass guitar other than synths on it), it dates from 1977 and happens to have hit US No 1 in Spring 1978. It is impossible to introduce it to the mix without some revision to the idea that synthpop didn't really 'get in there' til 1981 but unfortunatelty any attempt to exclude him gets, these days, troubled by the recent idea that in 1979 he's charting synthpop with 'Arrow Through Me', 'Wonderful Christmas Time' and these days is thought to have charted further synthpop and proto-techno with tracks from/around his 1980 'McCartney II' album. In other words, this ain't going away. Some restructuring on the narrative is necessary to take factual account of him, regardless of any opinion on him. I've made a start by placing the fact of the success of 'With A Little Luck' just prior to the release of 'Being Boiled' as a breakthrough for the instrument and opening this topic for further discussion. Please don't start on why he's 'no good' or something like that but consider the factual basis of this 'challenge to received wisdom'. Even as it stands the article and some of the source books on Synthpop seem to be pussyfooting around it for a long time and since a lot of the electronic artists consider him 'in there', it's just time to talk about it. Michaelk xsx ( talk) 14:14, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for taking an interest here, SabreBD. The Original Research 'edge' here seems to be about the WP article's definition of 'Synthpop'. A 'genre of popular music that first became prominent in the 1980s, in which the synthesizer is the dominant musical instrument'. This readily and transparently admits substantial quantities of tracks in McCartney's late 70's output as soon as 'reliable' articles which say it are proposed. But what's more at issue is that as soon as that is done, the passage '..that first became prominent in the 1980s..' not only becomes incorrect by the fact of a 1978 example ('With A Little Luck') having been US Number One but there is a slightly-more-than-'heretical' implication that McCartney becomes one of the category's strongest early proponents. It is THIS that I'm flagging for talk because the addition of 'reliable sources' may actually trigger further controversy. I hope I'm making any kind of sense here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelk xsx ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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fix an error in Influence section, there's Rhianna instead of Rihanna. Rhianna never embraced synthpop and was less popular, but Rihanna did and she is much more popular.
And also, decapitalize the words "dance music" in See Also section, due to grammar issues. 178.235.183.165 ( talk) 09:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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May I suggest you add the pop duo 'Yazoo' (known as Yaz in North America) to the list of UK synthpop groups mentioned under the paragraph 'Commercial success (1981-85)'. I suggest the best place is probably the paragraph that starts with the words 'By the end of 1982, these acts had been joined in the charts by …' The reason for this inclusion is that Yazoo (Yaz) was a major player in 1980s' synthpop, releasing two groundbreaking and highly successful albums in 1982 and 1983. Please also could you link the name Yazoo to the relevant webpage. Many thanks. Imperator654 ( talk) 17:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
The article has been semi-protected for more than two years and it gets around 1100 views a day. Do the regular editors of the page have an objection to the page being unprotected or pending changes protected? Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 01:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
I find it highly ridiculous that this article mentions a lot of these bubblegum pop groups (Kesha, Britney Spears etc.) as some sort of revivalists, that have very little actual ties to Synthpop music, when there's been a constant strong connection to first wave Synthpop music within the Post-/Electro-Industrial/EBM/Darkwave scene. This even includes an offshoot of Synthpop called Futurepop, which mixes Synthpop with EBM & Trance music. With no mention of these groups whatsoever in the article! Groups such as Wolfsheim, S.P.O.C.K. , Beborn Beton, and offshoot Futurepop groups such as Apoptygma Berzerk, VNV Nation, and Covenant. JanderVK ( talk) 17:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Synthpop existed also in the 1990s. There are no revivalists because it was never really dead. In the 1990s, it was primarily popular in the DarkWave/EBM/Electronic underground music scene, bands such as And One, Elegant Machinery, De/Vision, Pitch Yarn Of Matter, Kiethevez, Second Decay, Northern Territories, and tons of other artists produced '80s-styled SynthPop music for the '90s.
Someone keeps having fun removing the typical instruments to piss people off and its not funny. so whoever is doing this is stupid. Please if anyone has the originals of the typical instruments on the genres I am requesting it back. Common sense would look at the article itself and see that its a synthesizer that makes the genre. Why the hate of instruments used for certain genres? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.89.236 ( talk) 19:32, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) f eminist 13:18, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Synthpop →
Synth-pop – The Google test lists "about 5,570,000 results" for synth-pop and "about 5,890,000" results for synthpop.
However, it's very likely that synthpop only gets more web results than synth-pop because of this article. If we limit the search to news pieces, we get:
And when limited to books:
Historically, synth-pop (or synth pop) appears to be the more common spelling. This is also true for technopop and techno pop:
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