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it may be early, but i believe that black swan can apply as the swan maiden in popular culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.143.4 ( talk) 00:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC) I agree.But black swans might be evil,For some reason.Maybe because of their blackness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.152.122 ( talk) 14:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
The Dungeons and Dragons monster is merely a use of the creature from folklore and legend; it is not distinct enough to merit a separate article. Goldfritha 02:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
All that material above arguing about the usage of "swan may" or "swanmay" should not be under the merge discussion anymore, so I've creating a new section for it to continue here. Okay, first of all, the statement and supporting citations that
Goldfritha keeps removing does NOT state that folklorists never use "swan may" it merely states that "swan may" is used in Dungeons and Dragons and in fantasy fiction (facts that are easily supported by citations from any number of fantasy novels and D&D guides, we could add twenty citations to this effect if we wanted to without breaking a sweat). So keeping on removing that statement and its supporting citations is not really in line with Wikipedia policy. You can't accuse
WP:OR as you keep saying. That statement you keep removing doesn't say that "swanmay" was invented in fantasy fiction as you accused above, it simply says it is used in fantasy fiction. Quite simply, it IS a fact that "swanmay" is used in D&D and in fantasy novels. Stating that, and just that, is perfectly supported by citations.
Furthermore, you keep suggesting that the burden of proof is on me to show that folklorists never use "swanmay". Well, for one thing, my previously-referenced google book search link and the accompanying argument above fails to produce any evidence to support your case. Furthermore, I'm not trying to add a sentence that says "Folklorists only use swan maiden, and never use swan may" I'm sticking to the facts, since I can't find a single place where folklorists discuss the fact that they don't use "swanmay." However, your suggestion that all burden of proof is on me is also flawed in other ways. I also would never be able to find a citation where geographers discuss that they don't use the term
peanut butter to refer to
Antarctica. Please do not persist in removing cited material that is demonstratably not
WP:OR.
Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 19:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a dispute about whether it is proper to describe the term "swan may" or "swanmay" as occurring in fantasy fiction and Dungeons and Dragons. 02:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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Excluding intro and "Folklore motif and tale types", the rest of this article suffers from a severe lack of citations and sources, close to none. 108.41.205.108 ( talk) 00:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Nothing of Wayland the Smith, which even links here? 73.220.34.167 ( talk) 06:03, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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it may be early, but i believe that black swan can apply as the swan maiden in popular culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.143.4 ( talk) 00:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC) I agree.But black swans might be evil,For some reason.Maybe because of their blackness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.152.122 ( talk) 14:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
The Dungeons and Dragons monster is merely a use of the creature from folklore and legend; it is not distinct enough to merit a separate article. Goldfritha 02:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
All that material above arguing about the usage of "swan may" or "swanmay" should not be under the merge discussion anymore, so I've creating a new section for it to continue here. Okay, first of all, the statement and supporting citations that
Goldfritha keeps removing does NOT state that folklorists never use "swan may" it merely states that "swan may" is used in Dungeons and Dragons and in fantasy fiction (facts that are easily supported by citations from any number of fantasy novels and D&D guides, we could add twenty citations to this effect if we wanted to without breaking a sweat). So keeping on removing that statement and its supporting citations is not really in line with Wikipedia policy. You can't accuse
WP:OR as you keep saying. That statement you keep removing doesn't say that "swanmay" was invented in fantasy fiction as you accused above, it simply says it is used in fantasy fiction. Quite simply, it IS a fact that "swanmay" is used in D&D and in fantasy novels. Stating that, and just that, is perfectly supported by citations.
Furthermore, you keep suggesting that the burden of proof is on me to show that folklorists never use "swanmay". Well, for one thing, my previously-referenced google book search link and the accompanying argument above fails to produce any evidence to support your case. Furthermore, I'm not trying to add a sentence that says "Folklorists only use swan maiden, and never use swan may" I'm sticking to the facts, since I can't find a single place where folklorists discuss the fact that they don't use "swanmay." However, your suggestion that all burden of proof is on me is also flawed in other ways. I also would never be able to find a citation where geographers discuss that they don't use the term
peanut butter to refer to
Antarctica. Please do not persist in removing cited material that is demonstratably not
WP:OR.
Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 19:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a dispute about whether it is proper to describe the term "swan may" or "swanmay" as occurring in fantasy fiction and Dungeons and Dragons. 02:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Statements by editors previously involved in dispute
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Excluding intro and "Folklore motif and tale types", the rest of this article suffers from a severe lack of citations and sources, close to none. 108.41.205.108 ( talk) 00:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Nothing of Wayland the Smith, which even links here? 73.220.34.167 ( talk) 06:03, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
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