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I've read through this article but I can't seem to find the part of the article that explains what Trump allegedly did illegally or what law was broken. Simply that he "didn't disclose" the payment, but nothing as to why that was illegal. Could this be clarified in the body of the article? 鈥斅
Nythar (
馃挰-鉂勶笍) 11:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)reply
We'll find out what he's charged with if he is indicted. Michael Cohen pled guilty to five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate or campaign 鈥撀
Muboshgu聽(
talk) 15:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)reply
He also pled guilty to one count of making false statements to a congressional committee.
Unknown0124 (
talk) 18:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)reply
So I'm not going to edit the article, I'll leave that to the pros, but to your question, put simply here's what happened:
In 2006 (I believe) Trump and Stormy had sex. In 2016 Cohen gave her 130.000 $ to silence her on the issue, then Trump reimbursed him.
And here's the alleged crime:
1. Trump declared the reimbursement of Cohen normal lawyer's fees. Effectively giving him money for services he didn't get. This is basically a money laundering technique.
2. He deducted those payments from tax, not only hiding what they were for, but also claiming tax deduction on it. Of course previously taxed hush money is not deductible.
3. Cohen's payment was allegedly to keep the whole thing from hurting Trump's campaign. Since the payment was made only to help his campaign, it can be considered a campaign donation and must be declared as such and also what it was for - of course that wouldn't work without blowing the whole thing wide open. The fact that it was Cohen's/Trump's personal money doesn't make any difference - if it was used for the campaign it can be considered campaign money.
So basically the alleged crimes are, that Trump falsified business records disguising hush money as lawyer fees, claiming tax deductions for it and by this launder process violated campaign finance laws, because the payment benefitted his campaign.
193.197.148.126 (
talk) 14:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
an alleged sexual affair involving a high-profile person,
hush money to catch and kill the story,
paying the money out of the Trump Organization when it's a deeply personal expense,
cooking the books by characterizing the expense as retaining legal services,
violating campaign finance laws,
so calling it a "hush money scandal" is over-simplifying. We can't obviously include all of the above in the article name, so maybe just call it a "scandal" without qualification?
HandsomeFella (
talk) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I have
WP:BOLDly renamed the page to "Stormy Daniels鈥揇onald Trump scandal", which was the title of this page until it was moved without discussion yesterday. The status quo title should remain until a consensus forms to move the page. 鈥撀
Muboshgu聽(
talk) 15:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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I've read through this article but I can't seem to find the part of the article that explains what Trump allegedly did illegally or what law was broken. Simply that he "didn't disclose" the payment, but nothing as to why that was illegal. Could this be clarified in the body of the article? 鈥斅
Nythar (
馃挰-鉂勶笍) 11:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)reply
We'll find out what he's charged with if he is indicted. Michael Cohen pled guilty to five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate or campaign 鈥撀
Muboshgu聽(
talk) 15:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)reply
He also pled guilty to one count of making false statements to a congressional committee.
Unknown0124 (
talk) 18:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)reply
So I'm not going to edit the article, I'll leave that to the pros, but to your question, put simply here's what happened:
In 2006 (I believe) Trump and Stormy had sex. In 2016 Cohen gave her 130.000 $ to silence her on the issue, then Trump reimbursed him.
And here's the alleged crime:
1. Trump declared the reimbursement of Cohen normal lawyer's fees. Effectively giving him money for services he didn't get. This is basically a money laundering technique.
2. He deducted those payments from tax, not only hiding what they were for, but also claiming tax deduction on it. Of course previously taxed hush money is not deductible.
3. Cohen's payment was allegedly to keep the whole thing from hurting Trump's campaign. Since the payment was made only to help his campaign, it can be considered a campaign donation and must be declared as such and also what it was for - of course that wouldn't work without blowing the whole thing wide open. The fact that it was Cohen's/Trump's personal money doesn't make any difference - if it was used for the campaign it can be considered campaign money.
So basically the alleged crimes are, that Trump falsified business records disguising hush money as lawyer fees, claiming tax deductions for it and by this launder process violated campaign finance laws, because the payment benefitted his campaign.
193.197.148.126 (
talk) 14:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
an alleged sexual affair involving a high-profile person,
hush money to catch and kill the story,
paying the money out of the Trump Organization when it's a deeply personal expense,
cooking the books by characterizing the expense as retaining legal services,
violating campaign finance laws,
so calling it a "hush money scandal" is over-simplifying. We can't obviously include all of the above in the article name, so maybe just call it a "scandal" without qualification?
HandsomeFella (
talk) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I have
WP:BOLDly renamed the page to "Stormy Daniels鈥揇onald Trump scandal", which was the title of this page until it was moved without discussion yesterday. The status quo title should remain until a consensus forms to move the page. 鈥撀
Muboshgu聽(
talk) 15:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply