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This article should not be deleted for the following reasons:
If these are not sufficient reasons, please let me know what to do in order to give further credibility. Thank you. [Unsigned comment by Hollingsworthr1 21:34, 3 September 2009]
I propose that this article be merged into Elevation Church per Wikipedia:Notability. The Charlotte Observer reference seems to be the only citation for the article citing his relative notability. The link to the church growth ranks does not imply notability to an entity other than the church itself as very little information is provided. I will perform the merger unless more sources are added citing his notability. Dmarquard ( talk) 01:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I added a few lines with links to critiques of Furtick. Given his fame, and given that other wiki pages about famous pastors (Bell, McClaren, Driscoll, etc), I think this is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.223.50.242 ( talk) 15:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I am removing this section. The paragraph on the child is best covered on the church's page. This is an attempt to make him look back for what staff did at the church and doesn't even attempt to be neutral. On the Ted Haggard issue, this is not notable enough to be included here. You can apply guilt by association all you want, but Wikipedia doesn't do that here. Ltwin ( talk) 23:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
The justification for Furtick having his own page on the Elevation talk page is that he's a controversial figure. Yet, he has no controversy section to detail this. The page is only basic information that, while informative and true, is unimportant for why he is a controversial figure and why he should have his own page. This information should either be included here, or this page should be merged with the Elevation Church Page. Ebgraham —Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 8 October 2011 (UTC).
I read it. There was no controversy noted, except that LGBT persons were upset that Furtick did not condone homosexuality. Is this the controversy you are referring to? If so, say so in the article. If not please tell me who is upset about Haggard's appearance. What news articles mention people upset over this? If this is controversial, then there has to be actual people saying that it is controversial. Ltwin ( talk) 17:11, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
I think it's controversial Ridintherails ( talk) 14:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
It's clear Ltwin is one of Furtick's "goats" and will fight anything negative about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.190.159.57 ( talk) 17:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Just joining in here after making some edits to the bibliography for Furtick. I'm on Ltwin's side here. I believe the cerebral palsy controversy has little to do with Furtick and everything to do with the church itself. Although Furtick is the lead Pastor, the source states it was a volunteer who removed the boy and that Furtick's response was to order special needs training for his staff. There seems to be no controversy on the part of Furtick here. No source that I can find accuses him of any controversy, unless you count declining the meeting with the mother after the media was involved, which would be the smart choice for any public figure.
As for Haggard, this is even more clearly not a controversy. The sources refer only to Furtick's belief about the controversy, saying "he knew" it was controversial to invite Haggard, but state no outside opinions on the matter being controversial, so I would consider Furtick's claim of controversy to be marketing for his church rather than a high quality source.
Based on the positions in WP:BLP on Balance, Challenged or Likely to Be Challenged, and People Who are relatively Unknown I am removing this content from the article and placing it here in case further sources are cited. The WP:CRITICISM rule also applies here, specifically Avoid sections and articles focusing on "criticisms" or "controversies". Given that this is the Biography of a Living Person, I feel it is appropriate and proper to remove this content immediately. I agree that the Haggard "controversy" is valuable in terms of characterizing Furtick and would definitely support this information make its way back into the article if it is fit into the context of the article and not broken into a controversy section. If the cerebral palsy incident is not already included in the article for Furtick's church, it should probably be there instead. Eventhewise ( talk) 02:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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I added some depth about Furtick's Love Week initiative including some more sources. Any other editors who'd like to offer help on this section would be greatly appreciated. I tried to stick closely to the sources, but I feel like it might read a little too promotional, even so. Any editors who can contribute to helping this section meet WP:NPOV would be very appreciated! Eventhewise ( talk) 13:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I am going to remove the recent addition of content to this section referencing the Emerging Church, as the source appears to be a self-published blog and cites only self-published blogs as references, thus making it an unreliable source for biographical information ( WP:BLP, "Avoid self-published sources"). Solongagothegarden ( talk) 16:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I have removed this addition. It is not neutrally worded: "readily apparent... a clear conflict". St Anselm ( talk) 22:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
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I've come across some material on Steven Furtick which might be relevant to the article. For example, it says here that Furtick's church took in $33.5 million in offerings last year, gave out $3.8 million in outreach, spent $9 million on "personnel", and retained $13.9 million in cash - leaving $6 million unaccounted for. PiCo ( talk) 03:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of close editing for consistency. For instance: is it Charlotte; Charlotte, North Carolina; Charlotte, NC; Charlotte, N.C.? There are multiple issues like this throughout the article, particularly regarding names, numbers, and money. Surely Wikipedia has a style that addresses these sorts of thing; I know that the website at least calls for consistency ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:300:4200:BD80:D85A:F9E6:7852:23CC ( talk) 02:09, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, have removed this section as undue and unencyclopedic. The house on 19 acres has 5 bedrooms and cost $325,000 which is not remarkable. It was the subject of a short term media coverage but not long-term coverage, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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The information is not correct with current evangelical views, he is also more pentecostal than evangelical in his sermons and opinions 210.8.169.146 ( talk) 10:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Need to replace Neo-Charasmatic with Neo-Charismatic, and link to the existing page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-charismatic_movement 2601:42:100:1E90:EC35:A040:1593:BF5 ( talk) 22:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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|| 1. Remove "Baptist" from the intro. [1] [2] || 2. Add New York Times Bestselling author to the intro. [3] [4] || 3. Add GRAMMY® Award-winning songwriter to the intro. [5] || 4. Add Steven Furtick's new book under the bibliography section: Furtick, Steven (2024). Do The New You: 6 Mindsets to Become Who You Were Created to Be. FaithWords. ISBN 978-1546006824. [6]
|| 1. Steven Furtick & Elevation Church withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention in 2023 || 2. Multiple books made it to the New York Times Best Seller's List (Do The New You & Crash the Chatterbox) || 3. Steven Furtick won a GRAMMY for Best Contemporary Christian Music Album (Old Church Basement) at the 64th Annual GRAMMY awards || 4. His book, Do The New You was released on February 13, 2024
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This article should not be deleted for the following reasons:
If these are not sufficient reasons, please let me know what to do in order to give further credibility. Thank you. [Unsigned comment by Hollingsworthr1 21:34, 3 September 2009]
I propose that this article be merged into Elevation Church per Wikipedia:Notability. The Charlotte Observer reference seems to be the only citation for the article citing his relative notability. The link to the church growth ranks does not imply notability to an entity other than the church itself as very little information is provided. I will perform the merger unless more sources are added citing his notability. Dmarquard ( talk) 01:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I added a few lines with links to critiques of Furtick. Given his fame, and given that other wiki pages about famous pastors (Bell, McClaren, Driscoll, etc), I think this is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.223.50.242 ( talk) 15:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I am removing this section. The paragraph on the child is best covered on the church's page. This is an attempt to make him look back for what staff did at the church and doesn't even attempt to be neutral. On the Ted Haggard issue, this is not notable enough to be included here. You can apply guilt by association all you want, but Wikipedia doesn't do that here. Ltwin ( talk) 23:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
The justification for Furtick having his own page on the Elevation talk page is that he's a controversial figure. Yet, he has no controversy section to detail this. The page is only basic information that, while informative and true, is unimportant for why he is a controversial figure and why he should have his own page. This information should either be included here, or this page should be merged with the Elevation Church Page. Ebgraham —Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 8 October 2011 (UTC).
I read it. There was no controversy noted, except that LGBT persons were upset that Furtick did not condone homosexuality. Is this the controversy you are referring to? If so, say so in the article. If not please tell me who is upset about Haggard's appearance. What news articles mention people upset over this? If this is controversial, then there has to be actual people saying that it is controversial. Ltwin ( talk) 17:11, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
I think it's controversial Ridintherails ( talk) 14:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
It's clear Ltwin is one of Furtick's "goats" and will fight anything negative about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.190.159.57 ( talk) 17:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Just joining in here after making some edits to the bibliography for Furtick. I'm on Ltwin's side here. I believe the cerebral palsy controversy has little to do with Furtick and everything to do with the church itself. Although Furtick is the lead Pastor, the source states it was a volunteer who removed the boy and that Furtick's response was to order special needs training for his staff. There seems to be no controversy on the part of Furtick here. No source that I can find accuses him of any controversy, unless you count declining the meeting with the mother after the media was involved, which would be the smart choice for any public figure.
As for Haggard, this is even more clearly not a controversy. The sources refer only to Furtick's belief about the controversy, saying "he knew" it was controversial to invite Haggard, but state no outside opinions on the matter being controversial, so I would consider Furtick's claim of controversy to be marketing for his church rather than a high quality source.
Based on the positions in WP:BLP on Balance, Challenged or Likely to Be Challenged, and People Who are relatively Unknown I am removing this content from the article and placing it here in case further sources are cited. The WP:CRITICISM rule also applies here, specifically Avoid sections and articles focusing on "criticisms" or "controversies". Given that this is the Biography of a Living Person, I feel it is appropriate and proper to remove this content immediately. I agree that the Haggard "controversy" is valuable in terms of characterizing Furtick and would definitely support this information make its way back into the article if it is fit into the context of the article and not broken into a controversy section. If the cerebral palsy incident is not already included in the article for Furtick's church, it should probably be there instead. Eventhewise ( talk) 02:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
References
I added some depth about Furtick's Love Week initiative including some more sources. Any other editors who'd like to offer help on this section would be greatly appreciated. I tried to stick closely to the sources, but I feel like it might read a little too promotional, even so. Any editors who can contribute to helping this section meet WP:NPOV would be very appreciated! Eventhewise ( talk) 13:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I am going to remove the recent addition of content to this section referencing the Emerging Church, as the source appears to be a self-published blog and cites only self-published blogs as references, thus making it an unreliable source for biographical information ( WP:BLP, "Avoid self-published sources"). Solongagothegarden ( talk) 16:24, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I have removed this addition. It is not neutrally worded: "readily apparent... a clear conflict". St Anselm ( talk) 22:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
References
I've come across some material on Steven Furtick which might be relevant to the article. For example, it says here that Furtick's church took in $33.5 million in offerings last year, gave out $3.8 million in outreach, spent $9 million on "personnel", and retained $13.9 million in cash - leaving $6 million unaccounted for. PiCo ( talk) 03:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of close editing for consistency. For instance: is it Charlotte; Charlotte, North Carolina; Charlotte, NC; Charlotte, N.C.? There are multiple issues like this throughout the article, particularly regarding names, numbers, and money. Surely Wikipedia has a style that addresses these sorts of thing; I know that the website at least calls for consistency ( /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:300:4200:BD80:D85A:F9E6:7852:23CC ( talk) 02:09, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 11:22, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi, have removed this section as undue and unencyclopedic. The house on 19 acres has 5 bedrooms and cost $325,000 which is not remarkable. It was the subject of a short term media coverage but not long-term coverage, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
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The information is not correct with current evangelical views, he is also more pentecostal than evangelical in his sermons and opinions 210.8.169.146 ( talk) 10:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Need to replace Neo-Charasmatic with Neo-Charismatic, and link to the existing page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-charismatic_movement 2601:42:100:1E90:EC35:A040:1593:BF5 ( talk) 22:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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|| 1. Remove "Baptist" from the intro. [1] [2] || 2. Add New York Times Bestselling author to the intro. [3] [4] || 3. Add GRAMMY® Award-winning songwriter to the intro. [5] || 4. Add Steven Furtick's new book under the bibliography section: Furtick, Steven (2024). Do The New You: 6 Mindsets to Become Who You Were Created to Be. FaithWords. ISBN 978-1546006824. [6]
|| 1. Steven Furtick & Elevation Church withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention in 2023 || 2. Multiple books made it to the New York Times Best Seller's List (Do The New You & Crash the Chatterbox) || 3. Steven Furtick won a GRAMMY for Best Contemporary Christian Music Album (Old Church Basement) at the 64th Annual GRAMMY awards || 4. His book, Do The New You was released on February 13, 2024
Justinrosales-elevation ( talk) 19:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
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