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Who gives a fig about Femininst interpretation? No doubt they would also hold that Eva Braun was the real dictator in the Third Reich and that Calphurnia conquered Britain for the Romans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.172.70 ( talk) 19:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
There is currently an image of a (green) pentangle in the article - I thought it might be nice to have an image of Gawain's shield as a whole, i.e. red with a golden pentangle (as below). Thoughts?
THEN þay schewed hym þe schelde, þat was of schyr goulez
Wyth þe pentangel depaynt of pure golde hwez.
Hadrian89 ( talk) 16:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
This was added awhile ago. I think having so much information on the views of a single scholar is WP:Undue weight and that this should be reduced to a sentence or two in the Christianity section. I'm copying the text here:
-- Wrad ( talk) 04:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
References
The article refers to a poem Cleanliness two times. Is this a typo for the poem
Cleanness (which has "Not to be confused with Cleanliness.") or were there two different poems? I was about to just fix it, or add a {{
Clarify}}
tag but I'll ask here instead. -
84user (
talk) 13:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Done Ok, thanks, I have changed them. - 84user ( talk) 22:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Thought best known scripture is recorded from the 14th century, the story is one of the oldest Arthurian stories.
The above text from the lede added here does not make sense to me. What is it trying to summarise? - 84user ( talk) 00:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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Gerald Morris used this story in The Squire, His Knight, and His Lady - it is basically the original story from the perspective of a Squire...
This needs to be added to the Modern Adaptations section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.81.114 ( talk) 00:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Why are large portions of this article just copy and pasted from the Grade Saver article on Sir Gawain? ( http://www.gradesaver.com/sir-gawain-and-the-green-knight/wikipedia/themes/)Surely that is against come copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.243.151 ( talk) 02:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Surely we can cite better sources for text and translation than Representative Poetry Online--and the link seems to be outdated as well. 207.93.13.145 ( talk) 15:56, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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We need a better image to depict Gawain's pentangle in the article, showing particularly how it is a 3D pentagram ("an endless knot") and not a flat design. I have removed the image that was adjacent to this section of the article as it incorrectly conveyed how the pentangle on Gawain's shield would have looked. The image shown in this article:
http://english12skagway2010.blogspot.com/2010/11/sir-gawain-and-pentangle.html
is much better, however I have not imported it because of copyright restrictions.
Oska ( talk) 23:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
The adjacent linked image is from the Commons and shows the correct 'endless knot' type of pentragram. We just need to adapt it to show the right colours, and, preferably, mount it on a shield background. Oska ( talk) 00:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I’ve made a public domain adaptation of this and added it to the article. 02:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)-- Rsjaffe ( talk) 02:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
It's good that the lead clarifies that "Sir Gawan and þe Grene Knyȝt" is not a title coming from the surviving manuscript tradition but rather was given by scholars later. But if this is the case, is there any reason to include the (unattested?) ME "title" in the lead at all? Moreover, is "þe Grene Knyȝt" even the most intuitive back-translation of the ModE title? The text itself seems to use "gome in þe grene" slightly more, with other phrases almost as common as "grene knyȝt" being "knyȝt in þe grene" and "grene gome". (All of these combined seem to appear in the text a total of seven times, though: I wouldn't know where to begin to establish whether the poet preferred to call the character a "knyȝt" or a "gome" overall.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 15:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm struggling with seeing the meaning or benefit brought by the subsection " Emotion and narrative empathy." The thesis that Sir Gawain and the Green Knight "follows one individual experiencing highly emotional situations" is at the very best hackneyed and at the worst descriptive of most of the narrative and poetry mediums so at to be rendered totally meaningless. The subsequent citations to "emotional contagion" cite work not within the field of literature and not even obliquely referencing the Green Knight poem.
It all seems like a (quite bland) non-sequitur and strikes me as ripe for removal.
@ KSantana11: Thanks for adding information on location. However, it overlaps with the Gawain's Journey section. Could you please incorporate Gawain's Journey into your section to consolidate the two? I do think having a Location section, as you do, is appropriate, rather than having Gawain's Journey down in interpretations. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 18:12, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
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Who gives a fig about Femininst interpretation? No doubt they would also hold that Eva Braun was the real dictator in the Third Reich and that Calphurnia conquered Britain for the Romans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.172.70 ( talk) 19:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
There is currently an image of a (green) pentangle in the article - I thought it might be nice to have an image of Gawain's shield as a whole, i.e. red with a golden pentangle (as below). Thoughts?
THEN þay schewed hym þe schelde, þat was of schyr goulez
Wyth þe pentangel depaynt of pure golde hwez.
Hadrian89 ( talk) 16:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
This was added awhile ago. I think having so much information on the views of a single scholar is WP:Undue weight and that this should be reduced to a sentence or two in the Christianity section. I'm copying the text here:
-- Wrad ( talk) 04:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
References
The article refers to a poem Cleanliness two times. Is this a typo for the poem
Cleanness (which has "Not to be confused with Cleanliness.") or were there two different poems? I was about to just fix it, or add a {{
Clarify}}
tag but I'll ask here instead. -
84user (
talk) 13:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Done Ok, thanks, I have changed them. - 84user ( talk) 22:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Thought best known scripture is recorded from the 14th century, the story is one of the oldest Arthurian stories.
The above text from the lede added here does not make sense to me. What is it trying to summarise? - 84user ( talk) 00:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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Gerald Morris used this story in The Squire, His Knight, and His Lady - it is basically the original story from the perspective of a Squire...
This needs to be added to the Modern Adaptations section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.81.114 ( talk) 00:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Why are large portions of this article just copy and pasted from the Grade Saver article on Sir Gawain? ( http://www.gradesaver.com/sir-gawain-and-the-green-knight/wikipedia/themes/)Surely that is against come copyright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.243.151 ( talk) 02:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Surely we can cite better sources for text and translation than Representative Poetry Online--and the link seems to be outdated as well. 207.93.13.145 ( talk) 15:56, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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We need a better image to depict Gawain's pentangle in the article, showing particularly how it is a 3D pentagram ("an endless knot") and not a flat design. I have removed the image that was adjacent to this section of the article as it incorrectly conveyed how the pentangle on Gawain's shield would have looked. The image shown in this article:
http://english12skagway2010.blogspot.com/2010/11/sir-gawain-and-pentangle.html
is much better, however I have not imported it because of copyright restrictions.
Oska ( talk) 23:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
The adjacent linked image is from the Commons and shows the correct 'endless knot' type of pentragram. We just need to adapt it to show the right colours, and, preferably, mount it on a shield background. Oska ( talk) 00:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I’ve made a public domain adaptation of this and added it to the article. 02:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)-- Rsjaffe ( talk) 02:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
It's good that the lead clarifies that "Sir Gawan and þe Grene Knyȝt" is not a title coming from the surviving manuscript tradition but rather was given by scholars later. But if this is the case, is there any reason to include the (unattested?) ME "title" in the lead at all? Moreover, is "þe Grene Knyȝt" even the most intuitive back-translation of the ModE title? The text itself seems to use "gome in þe grene" slightly more, with other phrases almost as common as "grene knyȝt" being "knyȝt in þe grene" and "grene gome". (All of these combined seem to appear in the text a total of seven times, though: I wouldn't know where to begin to establish whether the poet preferred to call the character a "knyȝt" or a "gome" overall.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 15:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm struggling with seeing the meaning or benefit brought by the subsection " Emotion and narrative empathy." The thesis that Sir Gawain and the Green Knight "follows one individual experiencing highly emotional situations" is at the very best hackneyed and at the worst descriptive of most of the narrative and poetry mediums so at to be rendered totally meaningless. The subsequent citations to "emotional contagion" cite work not within the field of literature and not even obliquely referencing the Green Knight poem.
It all seems like a (quite bland) non-sequitur and strikes me as ripe for removal.
@ KSantana11: Thanks for adding information on location. However, it overlaps with the Gawain's Journey section. Could you please incorporate Gawain's Journey into your section to consolidate the two? I do think having a Location section, as you do, is appropriate, rather than having Gawain's Journey down in interpretations. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 18:12, 10 December 2021 (UTC)