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Both @ AntonSamuel: and @ TagaworShah: are ignoring Template:Infobox settlement. What's the point?

Mistakes listed:

• Azerbaijani and Armenian names are in bold (wrong)
• Azerbaijani is not even italic (wrong)
• Shushi being named equal to main name despite being not the article name (wrong) it should be other_name
• Mention of non-English demonyms (very wrong), what's the point? Conme on
• Inclusion map of the dissolving Republic of Artsakh, that's not even controlling this place since 2020

The 2021 "consensus" simply ignores these things. Beshogur ( talk) 17:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

No blind revert. 1. a good and balanced stance - in the territory of the former Nagorno-Karabakh autonomous oblast. 2. no opinion. 3. the disputed history of the town and the tragic consequences of the confilct are very clear. 4. ridiculous - filler 5. the map is relevant - intention to remove it comes from a political stance/desire. AntonSamuel ( talk) 17:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

First we're talking about the infobox. I don't care what you do in the body of the article unless it's wrong. Wikipedia isn't based on outdated information and emotions. And your answer "ridiculous" for me following the rules based on template is ridiculous. Is that your answer? Map is not any slighest relevant anymore. Republic of Artsakh is dissolving itself, and it's not even controlling the area. intention to remove it comes from a political stance/desire what do you mean lol? I don't gain anything by removing some bytes on internet. I told my reasonings based on wikipedia template, and you're not even respecting it. What kind of comment is that of accusing my edits based on political stance/desire. This goes into personal attacks. Beshogur ( talk) 18:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Beshogur Please stop insulting your fellow Wikipedia editors, these are not blind reverts, your edits go against an established consensus among users, it is on you to seek a new consensus. The MOS varies among articles due to differing consensus on how certain articles should be formatted, if you read the guidelines this is to be expected and does not give you the right to change a consensus without discussion especially with AA3 sanctions active. Accusing your fellow editors of acting on emotions is also a personal attack btw and not civil, please remember Wikipedia:Civility in your talk page discussions because this is not the first time i’ve seen you been uncivil to people of differing beliefs to your own. TagaworShah (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Accusing your fellow editors of acting on emotions this was put here to everyone, not to a certain user. He's talking about tragic stuff, that's what I said. Also do I accuse him of outdated information? Read my whole sentence. your talk page discussions because this is not the first time i’ve seen you been uncivil to people of differing beliefs to your own show me some examples, I never point to users based on their ideas. It's also the first time I'm interacting with you.

Maybe comment on the infobox that's been wrongly used here. Don't turn the topic into personal beef. Beshogur ( talk) 19:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

I patrol a lot of the pages regarding Armenia and Azerbaijan so i’ve seen a few comments, it’s nothing personal, I just ask for you to not accuse editors of bad faith for simple things like maintaining a consensus. The infobox can be formatted a variety of ways based on the consensus among users, there is a MOS but when there is consensus for a different style, especially in a contentious and controversial area that supersedes it, so I would recommend starting a new conversation about the infobox and seeking consensus per Wikipedia:BRD. TagaworShah (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

It is interesting that the edits @ Beshogur made here were instantly reverted, but the same edit they made to the Stepanakert remains untouched. Does the issue emerge only when it doesn't favor a particular POV? Nemoralis ( talk) 08:41, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply

No, please revert those too, I don’t have rollback abilities so it’s hard to manually revert these cases every single time. TagaworShah (talk) 08:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply

In accordance with WP:5P, I claim that this article currently only represents an Azeri POV (previous edits which introduced Armenian POV have been constantly reverted (which goes against WP:BRD-NOT), therefore no one can claim that this article currently represents a neutral point of view per WP:5P2). I have made BOLD edits that attempt to reconcile points of view into a more neutral article: Introduced neutral POV on the establishment of the city. Considering undisputable evidence of Armenians inhabiting the region for millennia, and the fact that the location of Shushi is such that it is an ideal location to establish a city in the bronze age or even the middle ages, it's impossible that the city was only founded in 1715. It's also highly improbable that the city was founded by Azeris or the Shah, since Armenian presence in the region predates any Azeri or Arabic presence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HyeProfile ( talk • contribs) 16:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC) reply

There was a very long discussion and RFC about that. The present version is based on consensus. Please discuss and reach consensus at talk before making any changes. Grand master 14:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply