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Need info on the different gauges, the different materials, how the shot is typically pushed out of the gun in modern shotguns, and other types of "shot" like "snake shot" or "00 buck shot".
The article does nothing to explain why shotgun pellets are numbered inversely to their size; i.e. the bigger they are the smaller the number used to designate them. I, for one, have always wanted to know how this came about. And who came up with it.
Some data on muzzle velocities, range, damage potential to targets (human and otherwise), different types of pellets (i.e. do military shotguns use special shot? Does Law Enforcement?
Finally, other, non-shotgun uses for lead spheres are irrelevant given the name of this article and should be included in the general article on lead or, if there's an article on lead's industrial uses, then it should be there.
PainMan ( talk) 22:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I yanked the link to http://seasonshot.com/ because I'm not convinced it's real--it doesn't show up in the USPTO database, and the product isn't on the market yet; I'm betting it's a hoax. To be effective on game, the sectional density would have to be at least as high as steel, and that seems unlikely to be possible with non-toxic, water soluble materials. It's also going to have to survive being accelerated from zero to Mach 1 in a couple of milliseconds. See internal ballistics, external ballistics and terminal ballistics for more information on why this seems so improbable. scot 16:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
For an excellent list of scientific studies, see here. Dysmorodrepanis 02:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The info on how shot was and is manufactured is currently spread across at least three pages; lead shot, shot tower, and Bliemeister method. We should work to somehow consolidated / correctly link this information so that it appears once and can be maintained. - Davandron | Talk 02:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
That picture of a California Condor sure looks like a Turkey Vulture to me. The talk page on the picture says to put requests for correction in the linking article page, so here it is, even though I feel it would be best suited posted on the picture's page. Fresnel149 ( talk) 15:07, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Removed the California Condor references, and "Poisoning". Lead ingested in soft tissue is not toxic. The references used in this section are irrelevant. Lead oxides are toxic - not the alloys used in shotgun pellets and hunting bullets. This article will need definitive references, before lead "poisoning" of California Condors can be accepted as absolute proof of lead poisoning for any animal. (The study they used to get the original bill passed was proven to have been faked. So, avoid attempting to reference it.)
I propose the article "Lead shot" be renamed to "Shot", and the article needs to be re-written to discuss "shot" generically as a projectile, with expansion on the different shot materials. While traditionally lead, shot is now made in a variety of materials which should be expanded upon. I don't think each of these materials requires a separate page e.g. "Bismuth shot", "Tungsten shot", etc., but can be comprehensibly handled on one "Shot" page. Of course in order for this to be done, the name of the page needs to be changed. BBODO ( talk) 07:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. The suggested name is more precise, and it's appropriate to discuss alternatives to lead shot in the same article. Mini apolis 02:46, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Lead shot →
Shot (pellet) – Not all shot is made from lead Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 07:11, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Socrates2008 (
Talk) 12:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Don't really see the benefit of shot tower being a separate article when it could be covered under the manufacture section of this one. Socrates2008 ( Talk) 11:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
As long as manufacturing prills (which are not related to lead shot for firearms) keeps being redirected to shot tower merging the two articles would not make much sense. 208.114.164.165 ( talk) 12:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the uncited statement that lead shot is banned for hunting. It specifically is not, except only when hunting migratory waterfowl, or when hunting on wetlands where migratory waterfowl congregate. Lead shot is used for hunting turkeys, for example, as well as for hunting quail and similar non-migratory birds, and for hunting mammals (small game, such as rabbits, squirrels, as well as for hunting big game, such as on the African plains). There is no published research showing any issue of hunting with lead shot, except specifically when hunting migratory waterfowl. This has all been cited in the article. Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
RainbowOz 22:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC)*Oppose Should have link from "Shot" but deserves its own article. For example, I'm not interested in shooting but am interested in the architecture and also the physics of working with lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RainbowOz ( talk • contribs)
The article contains the following text (in the section 'Non-toxic alternatives to lead shot'):
I'm having difficulty understanding this, and especially the last phrase of the last sentence. As best I can tell, it is saying that bismuth and tungsten-polymer shots are examples of steel shot, whilst tungsten-iron is not. That seems counter-intuitive, but I cannot see any other way of reading it. On the other hand I'm no expert; could somebody perhaps rephrase it in simple english that can be more easily understood. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 17:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't this page be named something else? Like "Shot (projectile)"? What does "pellet" even mean, exactly? A shot may be a pellet, but its basic use is as a projectile. Round shot is a projectile. That is how you would describe it, not as "a sphere". .45Colt 19:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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Need info on the different gauges, the different materials, how the shot is typically pushed out of the gun in modern shotguns, and other types of "shot" like "snake shot" or "00 buck shot".
The article does nothing to explain why shotgun pellets are numbered inversely to their size; i.e. the bigger they are the smaller the number used to designate them. I, for one, have always wanted to know how this came about. And who came up with it.
Some data on muzzle velocities, range, damage potential to targets (human and otherwise), different types of pellets (i.e. do military shotguns use special shot? Does Law Enforcement?
Finally, other, non-shotgun uses for lead spheres are irrelevant given the name of this article and should be included in the general article on lead or, if there's an article on lead's industrial uses, then it should be there.
PainMan ( talk) 22:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I yanked the link to http://seasonshot.com/ because I'm not convinced it's real--it doesn't show up in the USPTO database, and the product isn't on the market yet; I'm betting it's a hoax. To be effective on game, the sectional density would have to be at least as high as steel, and that seems unlikely to be possible with non-toxic, water soluble materials. It's also going to have to survive being accelerated from zero to Mach 1 in a couple of milliseconds. See internal ballistics, external ballistics and terminal ballistics for more information on why this seems so improbable. scot 16:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
For an excellent list of scientific studies, see here. Dysmorodrepanis 02:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The info on how shot was and is manufactured is currently spread across at least three pages; lead shot, shot tower, and Bliemeister method. We should work to somehow consolidated / correctly link this information so that it appears once and can be maintained. - Davandron | Talk 02:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
That picture of a California Condor sure looks like a Turkey Vulture to me. The talk page on the picture says to put requests for correction in the linking article page, so here it is, even though I feel it would be best suited posted on the picture's page. Fresnel149 ( talk) 15:07, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Removed the California Condor references, and "Poisoning". Lead ingested in soft tissue is not toxic. The references used in this section are irrelevant. Lead oxides are toxic - not the alloys used in shotgun pellets and hunting bullets. This article will need definitive references, before lead "poisoning" of California Condors can be accepted as absolute proof of lead poisoning for any animal. (The study they used to get the original bill passed was proven to have been faked. So, avoid attempting to reference it.)
I propose the article "Lead shot" be renamed to "Shot", and the article needs to be re-written to discuss "shot" generically as a projectile, with expansion on the different shot materials. While traditionally lead, shot is now made in a variety of materials which should be expanded upon. I don't think each of these materials requires a separate page e.g. "Bismuth shot", "Tungsten shot", etc., but can be comprehensibly handled on one "Shot" page. Of course in order for this to be done, the name of the page needs to be changed. BBODO ( talk) 07:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. The suggested name is more precise, and it's appropriate to discuss alternatives to lead shot in the same article. Mini apolis 02:46, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Lead shot →
Shot (pellet) – Not all shot is made from lead Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 07:11, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Socrates2008 (
Talk) 12:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Don't really see the benefit of shot tower being a separate article when it could be covered under the manufacture section of this one. Socrates2008 ( Talk) 11:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
As long as manufacturing prills (which are not related to lead shot for firearms) keeps being redirected to shot tower merging the two articles would not make much sense. 208.114.164.165 ( talk) 12:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I reverted the uncited statement that lead shot is banned for hunting. It specifically is not, except only when hunting migratory waterfowl, or when hunting on wetlands where migratory waterfowl congregate. Lead shot is used for hunting turkeys, for example, as well as for hunting quail and similar non-migratory birds, and for hunting mammals (small game, such as rabbits, squirrels, as well as for hunting big game, such as on the African plains). There is no published research showing any issue of hunting with lead shot, except specifically when hunting migratory waterfowl. This has all been cited in the article. Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 16:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
RainbowOz 22:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC)*Oppose Should have link from "Shot" but deserves its own article. For example, I'm not interested in shooting but am interested in the architecture and also the physics of working with lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RainbowOz ( talk • contribs)
The article contains the following text (in the section 'Non-toxic alternatives to lead shot'):
I'm having difficulty understanding this, and especially the last phrase of the last sentence. As best I can tell, it is saying that bismuth and tungsten-polymer shots are examples of steel shot, whilst tungsten-iron is not. That seems counter-intuitive, but I cannot see any other way of reading it. On the other hand I'm no expert; could somebody perhaps rephrase it in simple english that can be more easily understood. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 17:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't this page be named something else? Like "Shot (projectile)"? What does "pellet" even mean, exactly? A shot may be a pellet, but its basic use is as a projectile. Round shot is a projectile. That is how you would describe it, not as "a sphere". .45Colt 19:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)