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Where in the link does it say that Shadows in Flight is to be a short story. It says that Shadows Alive will definately be "the big wrap-up novel", but that in Flight will be a short novel does not make it a short story. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 16:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- An image posted on hatrack river recently also supports your claim that this isn't a short story along with providing a little more information. I'd update this page, but i'm pretty sure I'd screw up the formatting with such a major edit. Here's the image I'm referring to:
http://www.hatrack.com/shadows-in-flight.jpg
Darkwend (
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- I'm removing "short" from the sentence. We have two pieces of evidence that negate it being a short story. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 10:48, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
It could be posible that Bean's "problem" is resolved by the Descoladores, as they d seem to be able to change the gentic makeup of adult organisms.
I didn't read the second 2 bean books but... didn't 3000 years pass? did Bean travel at near lightspeed in the later books or what? Ooh, I know! Ender's kids'll invent time travel using Jane and go back in time! </goofy speculation> Kuronue 23:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Bean travelled at near lightspeed...
Another possibility is that the abilities Ender's kid's/Jane have of creating matter, like the piggie's cure, will allow them to create a cure for him and his children or maybe just the children.
- Ender survived the 3,000 years through relativistic effects of lightspeed travel. The "shadow" series ends with Bean doing the same thing, only explicitly for the purpose of survival. And as the Descolada was cured, so too could Bean be cured (virus that works via genetic manipulation...). Little logical bits, really.
But how many years will it had been, even at Relativistic speeds on Bean's ship, and how big will he have grown, even if he is still alive, maybe its only his children
- Presumably much less subjective time will pass for Bean than Ender; Ender & Val travel plans involved staying at a planet for a few months and then moving on. I think the ships in this series typically traveled between .95C & .99C in interstellar space, and there is a forumla that can be used determine the minimum subjective time that could have passed. Jon 18:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
" ...which will link the Bean quartet back to the Ender novels."
I believe a better word would be "quadrilogy" or "Tetrology". When using the word "quartet" I at first thought you were referring to characters in the series.
- Quartet is a correct way to phrase the sentence. It's the Latin word for "group of four". Tetrology is Greek, and Quadrilogy is a bastardized word mixing Latin and Greek roots. The page for Tetrology mentions Quartet is the common term for a series of four books. Argento Surfer ( talk) 16:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I don't have the link to a transcript of the Q&A session, but I was at Brigham Young University, and Orson Scott Card was speaking, and answered some questions regarding this book. Apparently, it's confirmed that Bean's children 'deal' with the Descoladores. Serpent_Guard 19:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Cool to know, I doubt you'll find a referencable source.--
FUNKAMATIC
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- "OSC: As I developed the Shadow series and made decisions about how the books would end, it became clear that there was a wonderful story to tell at the very end of the series, after Children of the Mind, that would bind the two storylines together. And just yesterday (7 March), I realized that Shadow of the Giant leaves a tantalizing thread involving a woman and her son who are on a colony planet, and their story opens up wonderfully well if Ender himself goes to that world upon leaving his first colony planet. So there'll be another book between Shadow of the Giant and Speaker for the Dead. However, that doesn't change the fact that the storyline of the four Shadow books is closed with Shadow of the Giant. What I hadn't realized until I was well along in the series was that it would really be as much Peter's story as Bean's. And it's Peter's story that ends the Shadow series at four." [1] So maybe Ender meets up with Bean's descendants? -- Maccam94 ( talk) 08:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I can't find a source anywhere online, but in Orson Scott Card's afterword to the Children of the Mind audiobook, he specifically says something to the effect of, "I know why the Descoladores are the way they are, I just haven't told that story yet. I'll eventually write a novel that ties in that story with the Shadow series, and then you'll get to know what's up." (That's not a quote, just the gist.) I don't have the audiobook (got from the library), so I can't type up a transcript. But it's cool that in 2006 (when the audiobook was published), he already had this plan in mind. I'm pretty new at Wikipedia, but I think I ought not to post this on the Shadows in Flight page until I can corroborate it...? Basementwall ( talk) 15:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
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Where in the link does it say that Shadows in Flight is to be a short story. It says that Shadows Alive will definately be "the big wrap-up novel", but that in Flight will be a short novel does not make it a short story. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 16:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- An image posted on hatrack river recently also supports your claim that this isn't a short story along with providing a little more information. I'd update this page, but i'm pretty sure I'd screw up the formatting with such a major edit. Here's the image I'm referring to:
http://www.hatrack.com/shadows-in-flight.jpg
Darkwend (
talk) 21:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'm removing "short" from the sentence. We have two pieces of evidence that negate it being a short story. ~ QuasiAbstract { talk/ contrib} 10:48, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
It could be posible that Bean's "problem" is resolved by the Descoladores, as they d seem to be able to change the gentic makeup of adult organisms.
I didn't read the second 2 bean books but... didn't 3000 years pass? did Bean travel at near lightspeed in the later books or what? Ooh, I know! Ender's kids'll invent time travel using Jane and go back in time! </goofy speculation> Kuronue 23:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Bean travelled at near lightspeed...
Another possibility is that the abilities Ender's kid's/Jane have of creating matter, like the piggie's cure, will allow them to create a cure for him and his children or maybe just the children.
- Ender survived the 3,000 years through relativistic effects of lightspeed travel. The "shadow" series ends with Bean doing the same thing, only explicitly for the purpose of survival. And as the Descolada was cured, so too could Bean be cured (virus that works via genetic manipulation...). Little logical bits, really.
But how many years will it had been, even at Relativistic speeds on Bean's ship, and how big will he have grown, even if he is still alive, maybe its only his children
- Presumably much less subjective time will pass for Bean than Ender; Ender & Val travel plans involved staying at a planet for a few months and then moving on. I think the ships in this series typically traveled between .95C & .99C in interstellar space, and there is a forumla that can be used determine the minimum subjective time that could have passed. Jon 18:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
" ...which will link the Bean quartet back to the Ender novels."
I believe a better word would be "quadrilogy" or "Tetrology". When using the word "quartet" I at first thought you were referring to characters in the series.
- Quartet is a correct way to phrase the sentence. It's the Latin word for "group of four". Tetrology is Greek, and Quadrilogy is a bastardized word mixing Latin and Greek roots. The page for Tetrology mentions Quartet is the common term for a series of four books. Argento Surfer ( talk) 16:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I don't have the link to a transcript of the Q&A session, but I was at Brigham Young University, and Orson Scott Card was speaking, and answered some questions regarding this book. Apparently, it's confirmed that Bean's children 'deal' with the Descoladores. Serpent_Guard 19:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
- Cool to know, I doubt you'll find a referencable source.--
FUNKAMATIC
(talk) 05:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- "OSC: As I developed the Shadow series and made decisions about how the books would end, it became clear that there was a wonderful story to tell at the very end of the series, after Children of the Mind, that would bind the two storylines together. And just yesterday (7 March), I realized that Shadow of the Giant leaves a tantalizing thread involving a woman and her son who are on a colony planet, and their story opens up wonderfully well if Ender himself goes to that world upon leaving his first colony planet. So there'll be another book between Shadow of the Giant and Speaker for the Dead. However, that doesn't change the fact that the storyline of the four Shadow books is closed with Shadow of the Giant. What I hadn't realized until I was well along in the series was that it would really be as much Peter's story as Bean's. And it's Peter's story that ends the Shadow series at four." [1] So maybe Ender meets up with Bean's descendants? -- Maccam94 ( talk) 08:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I can't find a source anywhere online, but in Orson Scott Card's afterword to the Children of the Mind audiobook, he specifically says something to the effect of, "I know why the Descoladores are the way they are, I just haven't told that story yet. I'll eventually write a novel that ties in that story with the Shadow series, and then you'll get to know what's up." (That's not a quote, just the gist.) I don't have the audiobook (got from the library), so I can't type up a transcript. But it's cool that in 2006 (when the audiobook was published), he already had this plan in mind. I'm pretty new at Wikipedia, but I think I ought not to post this on the Shadows in Flight page until I can corroborate it...? Basementwall ( talk) 15:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
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