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This article is very vague, and hardly encyclopedic. Most likely not even worth notable mention in Sharpening but maybe it should be merged and redirected. ♫Slysplace | talk 01:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I am the Dave from the original use.net/rec.woodworking post. I am not claiming to have invented the use of sandpaper to sharpen, but I am partially responsible for its popularity as "ScarySharp" (Always hated that name, but it's probably part of the reason it became popular) I believe I'm as close to a first person source as they come. My time is limited at the moment and I'm a neophyte at editing articles. But I would be happy to work with more experienced users to provide some of the historical background. Some of the early developments of ScarySharp came through the 'Oldtools' mailing list so they may not be common knowledge. I would like to add that the(™)was a humorous addition by Steve Lamantia but it was exactly the social nature of the original postings that led to it's initial popularity. ScarySharp is relevant not only for its contribution to woodworking, but as an example of how something from the early popular awareness of the web had a cultural impact. FWIW, the Fine Woodworking article featuring Mike Dunbar came out about five years after the fact. It was a case of the real world catching up to internet based culture. Dmopincarne ( talk) 01:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The article stub seems to overlook what might be one of the single greatest points of interest - that being the origin and meaning of the term Scary as it applies to Sharp. Is this 'scary' the adjective, Scary the surname or something else entirely? 66.41.159.76 ( talk) 13:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
CarterCutlery can use a cinderblock to sharpen?Spyderco Paramilitary 2 Scary Sharp!! - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1qfSsMNt0
Jan 18, 2012 – Just a little demo I saw jdavis882 do, take a knife and hold a hair in the air and cut it into. So check out me chopping a dangling hair with my ...
And using a water stone:Knife Sharpening - Getting a knife Scary Sharp!
This clip is from our "Advanced Blade Sharpening" DVD, which is a sequel to our "Blade Sharpening Fundamentals."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5stV_1kID-U
Define Scary sharp
15 posts - 8 authors - Aug 6, 2009
How do you describe "Scary Sharp"? For me, scary sharp is when you can cut arm hair without touching skin, where sharp would be you could ...
I use the Scarey Sharp technique for flat lapping of surfaces that must be precision machined, such as gasket surfaces, etc. Using a series of successively finer papers, along with liquid, allows one to produce a surface functionally equal to a fine surface grind finish, in virtually any material. Using well supported plate glass, a light circular motion, & even pressure will leave a surprisingly flat surface. This technique is also excellent for removing machining marks from flat surfaces prior to polishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.98.224 ( talk) 18:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Quoth Andy Dingley: "rv prod If you want sources, then source it/ Plenty out there, this is a well-described technique. Undid revision 667160477"
Not sure wht this means in English - but while sharpening with sandpaper is a known technique, the name "Scary Sharp" isn't. Are we really, really relying on a Usenet post from 1995 to back up calling it this?
If anything, this should be a subsection of "Sharpening" called "Sandpaper Technique".
If there are real, actual, reputable sources that directly call this method "Scary Sharp" (as opposed to "Scary Sharp" meaning "really sharp" which is how I've always understood it) I'd love to see them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.82.212 ( talk) 14:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Actually - disregard the above. The English language is weird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.82.212 ( talk) 14:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Really though, why was the deletion proposal simply removed? "Fix it yourself" is not a good reason. Andy Dingley needs to provide sources or this article should be re-nominated for deletion. I don't see any indication that this is a "real thing" outside some online discussions from the 90's. Also note that first-person sources should not be editing the article directly, as adding information about yourself or your own work violates Wiki guidelines. 204.11.129.240 ( talk) 02:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
The proposed deletion tag has been removed as it's invalid. Since it had already been used previously and was contested, it may not be used a second time, per WP:PROD.
A brief search shows a number of valid sources, such as legitimate woodworking magazines, discussing the method and the name, which means it likely meets notability and verfiability requirements. In that case a lack of citations is not grounds for deletion. Wikipedia's official policy in WP:ATD states "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andy Dingley has correctly pointed this out, and is under no obligation to provide citations, in fact it's the obligation of an editor who wants to tag or remove material to first try to find sources, see WP:BURDEN. Please consider any of the many alternatives to deletion, to improve the article via copy editing, adding citations, or possibly changing the title or merging with another article. -- IamNotU ( talk) 16:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Woodworking Unassessed ( inactive) | |||||||
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This article is very vague, and hardly encyclopedic. Most likely not even worth notable mention in Sharpening but maybe it should be merged and redirected. ♫Slysplace | talk 01:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I am the Dave from the original use.net/rec.woodworking post. I am not claiming to have invented the use of sandpaper to sharpen, but I am partially responsible for its popularity as "ScarySharp" (Always hated that name, but it's probably part of the reason it became popular) I believe I'm as close to a first person source as they come. My time is limited at the moment and I'm a neophyte at editing articles. But I would be happy to work with more experienced users to provide some of the historical background. Some of the early developments of ScarySharp came through the 'Oldtools' mailing list so they may not be common knowledge. I would like to add that the(™)was a humorous addition by Steve Lamantia but it was exactly the social nature of the original postings that led to it's initial popularity. ScarySharp is relevant not only for its contribution to woodworking, but as an example of how something from the early popular awareness of the web had a cultural impact. FWIW, the Fine Woodworking article featuring Mike Dunbar came out about five years after the fact. It was a case of the real world catching up to internet based culture. Dmopincarne ( talk) 01:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
The article stub seems to overlook what might be one of the single greatest points of interest - that being the origin and meaning of the term Scary as it applies to Sharp. Is this 'scary' the adjective, Scary the surname or something else entirely? 66.41.159.76 ( talk) 13:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
CarterCutlery can use a cinderblock to sharpen?Spyderco Paramilitary 2 Scary Sharp!! - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1qfSsMNt0
Jan 18, 2012 – Just a little demo I saw jdavis882 do, take a knife and hold a hair in the air and cut it into. So check out me chopping a dangling hair with my ...
And using a water stone:Knife Sharpening - Getting a knife Scary Sharp!
This clip is from our "Advanced Blade Sharpening" DVD, which is a sequel to our "Blade Sharpening Fundamentals."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5stV_1kID-U
Define Scary sharp
15 posts - 8 authors - Aug 6, 2009
How do you describe "Scary Sharp"? For me, scary sharp is when you can cut arm hair without touching skin, where sharp would be you could ...
I use the Scarey Sharp technique for flat lapping of surfaces that must be precision machined, such as gasket surfaces, etc. Using a series of successively finer papers, along with liquid, allows one to produce a surface functionally equal to a fine surface grind finish, in virtually any material. Using well supported plate glass, a light circular motion, & even pressure will leave a surprisingly flat surface. This technique is also excellent for removing machining marks from flat surfaces prior to polishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.98.224 ( talk) 18:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Quoth Andy Dingley: "rv prod If you want sources, then source it/ Plenty out there, this is a well-described technique. Undid revision 667160477"
Not sure wht this means in English - but while sharpening with sandpaper is a known technique, the name "Scary Sharp" isn't. Are we really, really relying on a Usenet post from 1995 to back up calling it this?
If anything, this should be a subsection of "Sharpening" called "Sandpaper Technique".
If there are real, actual, reputable sources that directly call this method "Scary Sharp" (as opposed to "Scary Sharp" meaning "really sharp" which is how I've always understood it) I'd love to see them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.82.212 ( talk) 14:44, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Actually - disregard the above. The English language is weird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.82.212 ( talk) 14:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Really though, why was the deletion proposal simply removed? "Fix it yourself" is not a good reason. Andy Dingley needs to provide sources or this article should be re-nominated for deletion. I don't see any indication that this is a "real thing" outside some online discussions from the 90's. Also note that first-person sources should not be editing the article directly, as adding information about yourself or your own work violates Wiki guidelines. 204.11.129.240 ( talk) 02:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
The proposed deletion tag has been removed as it's invalid. Since it had already been used previously and was contested, it may not be used a second time, per WP:PROD.
A brief search shows a number of valid sources, such as legitimate woodworking magazines, discussing the method and the name, which means it likely meets notability and verfiability requirements. In that case a lack of citations is not grounds for deletion. Wikipedia's official policy in WP:ATD states "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andy Dingley has correctly pointed this out, and is under no obligation to provide citations, in fact it's the obligation of an editor who wants to tag or remove material to first try to find sources, see WP:BURDEN. Please consider any of the many alternatives to deletion, to improve the article via copy editing, adding citations, or possibly changing the title or merging with another article. -- IamNotU ( talk) 16:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)