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What are the water temperatures in Scapa Flow at various times of the year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.200.234.62 ( talk) 07:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
According to "Castles of Steel" by Robert K. Massie and no British warships were sunk within Scapa Flow during WWI by U-boats. Only two U-boats attempted to penetrate the harbor during WWI: U-18 on 23 Nov. 1914 and UB-116 on 25 Oct. 1918. U-18 was spotted and rammed by a patrolng trawler and UB-116 was detected by hydrophones and destroyed by electronically activated mines. UB-116 also gained the distinction of being the only submarine destroyed by a shore-controlled minefield during WWI and also as the last U-boat sunk.
Reference starts on page 161 of "Castles of Steel". Massie also discusses the sinking of the HMS Royal Oak 25 years later during WWII by U-47.
Scarper really does derive from Scapa Flow. Thereofore the latest edit here is an instance of NPOV. Hence the epithet on the article.
The Shorter Oxford Dictionary, a reasonable source, has, under scarper "reinforced during or after the war of 1914–18 by rhyming slang Scapa flow go." Matt Stan 01:43, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have cleaned up this section but am still unsure about it. Has anyone else ever heard this? Cjrother 03:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This is correct. It is also used in Medical instruments. Richard Harvey 11:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Quoth wiki: "The nine sailors killed were the last casualties of the First World War."
Quoth eye witness Bunday http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/jralston/rk/scapa/bunday.htm "German prisoners in life boats after scuttling their ships. Some of the boats were fired on by destroyers for refusing to fly a white flag. About 50 were killed"
Telling the killed persons the last casualties of First World War would imply that these persons were still on war. These person were unarmed and in life boats AFTER sinking the ships. Shooting on unarmed prisoners is for me not an act of the world war. What this situation can be better described should be done by a native speaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.175.152.211 ( talk) 12:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Scapa Flow has a dimension as slang, entirely related to the Scapa Flow of the article, therefore I added the category slang. It was removed, but I've reinstated it. The reason for this is so as not to hide 'scapa flow' from the slang category directory. It doesn't sit right with me to obscure anything if space permits. If you think that 'scapa flow' as a slang term should nonetheless not be categorized as such in wikipedia (along with scapa flow being categorized in all other respects) please explain :) That would be appreciated. Hakluyt bean 20:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
See talk page of Gutter Sound. The wrecks were actually scuttled across the whole Western side of Scapa Flow not just in Gutter Sound. Viv Hamilton 16:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The statement that the German sailors who died during the scuttling of th German fleet were "the last casualties of the First World War" seems rather arbitrary. What criteria did the author use in asserting this? At the simple level, the war ended in 1918, so these sailors were not casualties of it. Or the "big view" might be that the Second World War sprang from the first, in which case, could "the last casualties of the First World War" fell in 1945, or at some point toward the end of the Cold War? I think this needs clarification. Davidelit 06:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the article should mention the fact that the ships scuttled in Scapa Flow are particularly valuable, since the steel they are constructed of is relatively radiation free. All steel made after 1945 (atomic bombs) contains radiation. The steel from these pre-1945 ship wrecks is used for sensitive equipment etc. Stingray 22:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The aerial photograph of Scapa Flow http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Scapa_Flow%28RLH%29.gif on the scapa flow page is just a resize of the original image, which is 2 or 3 megabytes, could someone do a resize and put the thumbnail on the main page? (I'm not sure how), thanks FRA ( talk) 07:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
In September 2010 a broken plate bearing the same crest was retrieved from Scapa Flow. On the reverse the plate has WM Adams & Co. England markings (and a naval anchor with 'A' and '5'). I think this indicates that the pottery is not connected with the German Navy? There is reference to pottery with 'WR' marking here ( http://southwestmafia.com/forumswm/showthread.php?t=6340&page=2). (not sure how to contact the author directly - sorry am new user) Smithurs ( talk) 15:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Haven't a clue about the pottery's origins. I suggest you contact Richard Harvey who took the original image. Ben Mac Dui 09:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
This article needs a map, please. 74.218.22.42 ( talk) 14:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be good to create consistency with the nomenclature for the war(s). The article uses various methods, sometimes different within a sentence. The generally accepted standard is 'World War I', abbreviated to 'WWI'. Either way, the use of '1' rather than 'I' is to be avoided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fine Hid ( talk • contribs) 21:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I had to look up how to pronounce "Scapa" so I added it to the article. Oxford gives two pronunciations, if anyone knows if one of them is more "correct" (i.e. local) then they can put it first -- Moogsi ( talk) 18:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Maybe the German and the English section should try to consolidate their differing versions of the events involving the U18 submarine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.43.106.44 ( talk) 07:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
User:Orkney Vole In my opinion the material put into the lead, (Revision as of 13:20, 6 May 2015), should be in the body of the article with a citation. SovalValtos ( talk) 14:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I find this section tricky. First, Russia descended into a media blackout totalitarian state where Austro-Hungarian or German state actors may have had some killings into the 1920s or late 1919 or vice-versa against POWs, or far flung corners of theaters of war such as the remnants of the Ottoman Empire may be considered 'World War I casualties'? I don't know. I doubt anyone does. More importantly 1000s died undischarged since Nov. 1918 in hospitals in Germany, France, England etc. into the 1920s those are also such casualties. Their cause of death was not poor medical treatment.
- Adam37 Talk 19:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
There’s no mention in the article of Scapa Flow being used as a seaplane base. But I know it was as my father was stationed on it for many years during the war. There were Sunderlands and Catalinas. Boscaswell talk 10:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
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What are the water temperatures in Scapa Flow at various times of the year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.200.234.62 ( talk) 07:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
According to "Castles of Steel" by Robert K. Massie and no British warships were sunk within Scapa Flow during WWI by U-boats. Only two U-boats attempted to penetrate the harbor during WWI: U-18 on 23 Nov. 1914 and UB-116 on 25 Oct. 1918. U-18 was spotted and rammed by a patrolng trawler and UB-116 was detected by hydrophones and destroyed by electronically activated mines. UB-116 also gained the distinction of being the only submarine destroyed by a shore-controlled minefield during WWI and also as the last U-boat sunk.
Reference starts on page 161 of "Castles of Steel". Massie also discusses the sinking of the HMS Royal Oak 25 years later during WWII by U-47.
Scarper really does derive from Scapa Flow. Thereofore the latest edit here is an instance of NPOV. Hence the epithet on the article.
The Shorter Oxford Dictionary, a reasonable source, has, under scarper "reinforced during or after the war of 1914–18 by rhyming slang Scapa flow go." Matt Stan 01:43, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have cleaned up this section but am still unsure about it. Has anyone else ever heard this? Cjrother 03:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This is correct. It is also used in Medical instruments. Richard Harvey 11:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Quoth wiki: "The nine sailors killed were the last casualties of the First World War."
Quoth eye witness Bunday http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/jralston/rk/scapa/bunday.htm "German prisoners in life boats after scuttling their ships. Some of the boats were fired on by destroyers for refusing to fly a white flag. About 50 were killed"
Telling the killed persons the last casualties of First World War would imply that these persons were still on war. These person were unarmed and in life boats AFTER sinking the ships. Shooting on unarmed prisoners is for me not an act of the world war. What this situation can be better described should be done by a native speaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.175.152.211 ( talk) 12:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
Scapa Flow has a dimension as slang, entirely related to the Scapa Flow of the article, therefore I added the category slang. It was removed, but I've reinstated it. The reason for this is so as not to hide 'scapa flow' from the slang category directory. It doesn't sit right with me to obscure anything if space permits. If you think that 'scapa flow' as a slang term should nonetheless not be categorized as such in wikipedia (along with scapa flow being categorized in all other respects) please explain :) That would be appreciated. Hakluyt bean 20:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
See talk page of Gutter Sound. The wrecks were actually scuttled across the whole Western side of Scapa Flow not just in Gutter Sound. Viv Hamilton 16:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The statement that the German sailors who died during the scuttling of th German fleet were "the last casualties of the First World War" seems rather arbitrary. What criteria did the author use in asserting this? At the simple level, the war ended in 1918, so these sailors were not casualties of it. Or the "big view" might be that the Second World War sprang from the first, in which case, could "the last casualties of the First World War" fell in 1945, or at some point toward the end of the Cold War? I think this needs clarification. Davidelit 06:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps the article should mention the fact that the ships scuttled in Scapa Flow are particularly valuable, since the steel they are constructed of is relatively radiation free. All steel made after 1945 (atomic bombs) contains radiation. The steel from these pre-1945 ship wrecks is used for sensitive equipment etc. Stingray 22:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The aerial photograph of Scapa Flow http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Scapa_Flow%28RLH%29.gif on the scapa flow page is just a resize of the original image, which is 2 or 3 megabytes, could someone do a resize and put the thumbnail on the main page? (I'm not sure how), thanks FRA ( talk) 07:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
In September 2010 a broken plate bearing the same crest was retrieved from Scapa Flow. On the reverse the plate has WM Adams & Co. England markings (and a naval anchor with 'A' and '5'). I think this indicates that the pottery is not connected with the German Navy? There is reference to pottery with 'WR' marking here ( http://southwestmafia.com/forumswm/showthread.php?t=6340&page=2). (not sure how to contact the author directly - sorry am new user) Smithurs ( talk) 15:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Haven't a clue about the pottery's origins. I suggest you contact Richard Harvey who took the original image. Ben Mac Dui 09:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
This article needs a map, please. 74.218.22.42 ( talk) 14:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be good to create consistency with the nomenclature for the war(s). The article uses various methods, sometimes different within a sentence. The generally accepted standard is 'World War I', abbreviated to 'WWI'. Either way, the use of '1' rather than 'I' is to be avoided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fine Hid ( talk • contribs) 21:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I had to look up how to pronounce "Scapa" so I added it to the article. Oxford gives two pronunciations, if anyone knows if one of them is more "correct" (i.e. local) then they can put it first -- Moogsi ( talk) 18:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Maybe the German and the English section should try to consolidate their differing versions of the events involving the U18 submarine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.43.106.44 ( talk) 07:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
User:Orkney Vole In my opinion the material put into the lead, (Revision as of 13:20, 6 May 2015), should be in the body of the article with a citation. SovalValtos ( talk) 14:02, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I find this section tricky. First, Russia descended into a media blackout totalitarian state where Austro-Hungarian or German state actors may have had some killings into the 1920s or late 1919 or vice-versa against POWs, or far flung corners of theaters of war such as the remnants of the Ottoman Empire may be considered 'World War I casualties'? I don't know. I doubt anyone does. More importantly 1000s died undischarged since Nov. 1918 in hospitals in Germany, France, England etc. into the 1920s those are also such casualties. Their cause of death was not poor medical treatment.
- Adam37 Talk 19:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
There’s no mention in the article of Scapa Flow being used as a seaplane base. But I know it was as my father was stationed on it for many years during the war. There were Sunderlands and Catalinas. Boscaswell talk 10:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)