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I have removed the content referring to the so-called "doom loop" in San Francisco. Several of the articles cited ( [1], [2]) are opinion pieces from the Chronicle and the Hoover Institution that do not qualify as reliable NPOV sources. And the claim about "San Francisco's challenge to remain a relevant center for flagship commerce and industry given its relative geographic isolation from other North American commercial centers in an era of increasingly ubiquitous e-commerce" is sourced to a quote about the price of gasoline in California, which has nothing to do with either e-commerce or businesses leaving the city.
It is certainly true that downtown San Francisco is continuing to suffer from the combined effects of the shift to remote work, crime, and homelessness, and I support the continued inclusion of that content in the "Economy" section of the article. But I question whether it merits mention in the lede – particularly given the disputed accuracy of the "doom loop" framing ( [3], [4]). This overview should focus on content of long-term significance, not the latest boom-and-bust economic cycle. I note that the articles on cities like Seattle and Portland, Oregon, which have been affected by similar conditions in their downtown areas, do not discuss those challenges in their ledes.
Pinging @ Castncoot in case they have any thoughts. Conifer ( talk) 07:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hey SF page editors, I have uploaded a couple of very high-resolution panoramic shots taken just a few days ago, maybe there's interest in using them in the article:
podstawko ●talk 04:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
The population of San Francisco is listed for each decade, and the source is the United States Census. But at the very end of that list, rather than using the most recent United States Census Bureau estimate (which can be accessed at https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocountycalifornia), for some reason someone decided to trash the consistency of the list and cherry-pick a different source for the current population estimate. And the discrepancy between the official US Census Bureau estimate and that of the cherry-picked and inconsistent source is significant. Is this just local San Francisco fans cherry-picking a figure that they like better, or think paints their hometown in a more favorable light? What justifies the inconsistency? 2603:8001:8F00:79D2:14CB:EB78:526A:FB0F ( talk) 21:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
There seem to be two dates in conflict in the article.
One statement is: "...Spanish exploration party arrived on November 2, 1769, the first documented European visit to San Francisco Bay.'
Another is: "The mission received its name in 1776, when it was founded by the Spanish under the leadership of Padre Francisco Palóu." / "On June 29, 1776, settlers from New Spain established the Presidio of San Francisco at the Golden Gate, and the Mission San Francisco de Asís a few miles away, both named for Francis of Assisi."
Spanish must first have arrived in 1776 or earlier to have built "The Mission Dolores adobe chapel, constructed in 1776" Mission San Francisco de Asís?
Can anyone clarify?
I visited recently but don't live in the US. I am researching for something I am writing and noticed this difference. Pakoire ( talk) 19:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I've searched for suitable images for the infobox of this article and have found several options I'd like to propose for consideration:
I believe these options could enhance the visual appeal and contribute to the encyclopedic value of the article's infobox. Tobiasi0 ( talk) 11:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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— Assignment last updated by Juanafrancescaa ( talk) 22:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
I have removed the content referring to the so-called "doom loop" in San Francisco. Several of the articles cited ( [1], [2]) are opinion pieces from the Chronicle and the Hoover Institution that do not qualify as reliable NPOV sources. And the claim about "San Francisco's challenge to remain a relevant center for flagship commerce and industry given its relative geographic isolation from other North American commercial centers in an era of increasingly ubiquitous e-commerce" is sourced to a quote about the price of gasoline in California, which has nothing to do with either e-commerce or businesses leaving the city.
It is certainly true that downtown San Francisco is continuing to suffer from the combined effects of the shift to remote work, crime, and homelessness, and I support the continued inclusion of that content in the "Economy" section of the article. But I question whether it merits mention in the lede – particularly given the disputed accuracy of the "doom loop" framing ( [3], [4]). This overview should focus on content of long-term significance, not the latest boom-and-bust economic cycle. I note that the articles on cities like Seattle and Portland, Oregon, which have been affected by similar conditions in their downtown areas, do not discuss those challenges in their ledes.
Pinging @ Castncoot in case they have any thoughts. Conifer ( talk) 07:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
References
Hey SF page editors, I have uploaded a couple of very high-resolution panoramic shots taken just a few days ago, maybe there's interest in using them in the article:
podstawko ●talk 04:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
The population of San Francisco is listed for each decade, and the source is the United States Census. But at the very end of that list, rather than using the most recent United States Census Bureau estimate (which can be accessed at https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocountycalifornia), for some reason someone decided to trash the consistency of the list and cherry-pick a different source for the current population estimate. And the discrepancy between the official US Census Bureau estimate and that of the cherry-picked and inconsistent source is significant. Is this just local San Francisco fans cherry-picking a figure that they like better, or think paints their hometown in a more favorable light? What justifies the inconsistency? 2603:8001:8F00:79D2:14CB:EB78:526A:FB0F ( talk) 21:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
There seem to be two dates in conflict in the article.
One statement is: "...Spanish exploration party arrived on November 2, 1769, the first documented European visit to San Francisco Bay.'
Another is: "The mission received its name in 1776, when it was founded by the Spanish under the leadership of Padre Francisco Palóu." / "On June 29, 1776, settlers from New Spain established the Presidio of San Francisco at the Golden Gate, and the Mission San Francisco de Asís a few miles away, both named for Francis of Assisi."
Spanish must first have arrived in 1776 or earlier to have built "The Mission Dolores adobe chapel, constructed in 1776" Mission San Francisco de Asís?
Can anyone clarify?
I visited recently but don't live in the US. I am researching for something I am writing and noticed this difference. Pakoire ( talk) 19:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I've searched for suitable images for the infobox of this article and have found several options I'd like to propose for consideration:
I believe these options could enhance the visual appeal and contribute to the encyclopedic value of the article's infobox. Tobiasi0 ( talk) 11:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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