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"it has recently gone into orbit about our galaxy having somehow become detached."
What is the meaning of this clause that appears in the article as of today? I cannot interpret it. Detached from our galaxy? Surely not! Can someone elucidate this? Thanks. Zaslav 02:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the segment concerning the "discovery" that our solar system is from SagDEG, as it's external link [1] is, to be blunt, full of crap. The site makes grandiose claims, but none of their references substantiate these claims in any way. It's entirely unprofessional and, until it's actually verified by a respectable source, it should remain out of the article.-- NME 09:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We are in a bit of a pickle in that those deleting and/ or amending the page are either apparently lacking the I.Q. to allow comprehension of the discoveries involved ( or ) are not attempting to -- based out of sheer ignorance-- I cannot pretend to know which. It simply is not possible to link to a better verification than the ABC News Release Link that lays to waste all previous related science as inacurate that normally would have been the substantiation point as proofs to the new data in question:
Please make an effort to understand this point. The above science release makes clear that all related foundations are built upon these directional inacuracies and therefore cannot be used in the verificatiion processing of contrary theories and discoveries without a correction to the very roots-- involving the daunting task of the rewriting of all relevant science possibly all the way back to Copernicus, for that is how long we have been incorrect in our thinking. Do you know of the man who discovered why all the women were dying in childbirth? He discovered germs. All would either not hear of it and/or thought of how they could be actually guilty of causing a string of deaths themselves as medical practitioners. Medical practitioners would not wash their hands going between ill and diseased patients and those child birthing. The result? the knowledge was suppressed and thousands upon thousands more women died simply because these particular individuals all decided to quash the data -- those entrusted with overall academic authority who would not allow the new data to be published.
The discoverer? He died penniless, and watched thousands more women die out of deliberate ignorance.
The actual true cause of Global Warming was (attempted)to be presented which could possibly change the course of history (or not)-- because of choices made here by those who decide the fate of new theorem and discoveries.
You have a responsibility to the truth and the future. Choose wisely.
I have chosen to update my thoughts posted here earlier to reflect what is most accurate in my thinking. Please do not edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3LevelChess ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm just curious why this object is referred to as Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical. Nowhere in the literature is this designation used, not even in the original discovery paper. It's always referred to as the Sagittarius dwarf spheroidal (dSph). It's listing in SIMBAD and other references is as a dwarf spheroidal. And the listing as SgrDEG is especially confusing as there is a galaxy titled SgrDIG.
Moreover, dwarf eliptical is usually reserved quite specifically for objects that are nucleated, which Sgr is not, and much brighter than Sgr (wikipedia's entries on dwarf elliptical and dwarf spheroidal galaxies are incorrect on this point).
Does anyone object to changing this object to Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy?
Hal 10000.0 21:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move to Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy. I leave the creation of the redirects to someone other. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:48, 24 January 2014 (UTC) Armbrust The Homunculus 12:48, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy → Sagittarius dwarf spheroidal galaxy – This galaxy is generally referred to as the Sagittarius dSph in the scientific community (check NASA ADS/talk page). SAGDEG is only used elsewhere and causes confusion. Requesting a move with a redirect for SAGDEG to the new name. Up for discussion whether it should be Sagittarius dSph as page or Sagittarius dwarf spheroidal galaxy... 129.125.6.1 ( talk) 09:31, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The statement that Sgr dSph is thought to contain as many stars as CMa Dwarf has to be reconciled with the assertion it is calculated at ten thousandth the size of the Milky Way and possibly up to a fiftieth of its mass. But the mass of Sgr dSph estimated here makes it 3 times that of the LMC thus credo to the assertion it contains a fair amount of dark matter. -- Lmstearn ( talk) 04:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Is there a SBH in the center of the Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy? 2601:580:101:7C0C:449B:9F52:7D8A:7DA ( talk) 16:17, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
No. If there were a SBH, it would be in the nucleus, which is believed to be the globular cluster M54. There is no evidence of a SBH in that cluster; and quite a bit of evidence that there is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:e422:3c01:8d99:693d:6417:6c48 ( talk) 08:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Figures here state SagDEG at 70,000 LY from Earth, with a diameter of 10,000 LY, with "M54 apparently at its core". Yet the article on M54 gives a distance on 87,000 LY, which would put it well beyond the core.
This comment also made on th M54 article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:E448:D401:E8BE:3E5F:C4C2:ACB9 ( talk) 03:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Also, it seems a little difficult to believe that Palomar 12 is "associated" with this galaxy, given that its apparent angular distance is like more than 10 times the major axis of SagDEG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:E448:D401:E8BE:3E5F:C4C2:ACB9 ( talk) 03:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Ruslik0: I noticed that you keep removing an edit related to the formation of star systems in the Milky Way such as the Solar System, based on the research paper and these sources, [3] and [4]. And you even accused the user of "lying" about the sources, what kind of an admin are you?! Have you checked the sources yourself? Or are those sources not reliable to you?! 220.88.115.228 ( talk) 10:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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"it has recently gone into orbit about our galaxy having somehow become detached."
What is the meaning of this clause that appears in the article as of today? I cannot interpret it. Detached from our galaxy? Surely not! Can someone elucidate this? Thanks. Zaslav 02:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the segment concerning the "discovery" that our solar system is from SagDEG, as it's external link [1] is, to be blunt, full of crap. The site makes grandiose claims, but none of their references substantiate these claims in any way. It's entirely unprofessional and, until it's actually verified by a respectable source, it should remain out of the article.-- NME 09:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We are in a bit of a pickle in that those deleting and/ or amending the page are either apparently lacking the I.Q. to allow comprehension of the discoveries involved ( or ) are not attempting to -- based out of sheer ignorance-- I cannot pretend to know which. It simply is not possible to link to a better verification than the ABC News Release Link that lays to waste all previous related science as inacurate that normally would have been the substantiation point as proofs to the new data in question:
Please make an effort to understand this point. The above science release makes clear that all related foundations are built upon these directional inacuracies and therefore cannot be used in the verificatiion processing of contrary theories and discoveries without a correction to the very roots-- involving the daunting task of the rewriting of all relevant science possibly all the way back to Copernicus, for that is how long we have been incorrect in our thinking. Do you know of the man who discovered why all the women were dying in childbirth? He discovered germs. All would either not hear of it and/or thought of how they could be actually guilty of causing a string of deaths themselves as medical practitioners. Medical practitioners would not wash their hands going between ill and diseased patients and those child birthing. The result? the knowledge was suppressed and thousands upon thousands more women died simply because these particular individuals all decided to quash the data -- those entrusted with overall academic authority who would not allow the new data to be published.
The discoverer? He died penniless, and watched thousands more women die out of deliberate ignorance.
The actual true cause of Global Warming was (attempted)to be presented which could possibly change the course of history (or not)-- because of choices made here by those who decide the fate of new theorem and discoveries.
You have a responsibility to the truth and the future. Choose wisely.
I have chosen to update my thoughts posted here earlier to reflect what is most accurate in my thinking. Please do not edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3LevelChess ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm just curious why this object is referred to as Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical. Nowhere in the literature is this designation used, not even in the original discovery paper. It's always referred to as the Sagittarius dwarf spheroidal (dSph). It's listing in SIMBAD and other references is as a dwarf spheroidal. And the listing as SgrDEG is especially confusing as there is a galaxy titled SgrDIG.
Moreover, dwarf eliptical is usually reserved quite specifically for objects that are nucleated, which Sgr is not, and much brighter than Sgr (wikipedia's entries on dwarf elliptical and dwarf spheroidal galaxies are incorrect on this point).
Does anyone object to changing this object to Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy?
Hal 10000.0 21:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move to Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy. I leave the creation of the redirects to someone other. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:48, 24 January 2014 (UTC) Armbrust The Homunculus 12:48, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy → Sagittarius dwarf spheroidal galaxy – This galaxy is generally referred to as the Sagittarius dSph in the scientific community (check NASA ADS/talk page). SAGDEG is only used elsewhere and causes confusion. Requesting a move with a redirect for SAGDEG to the new name. Up for discussion whether it should be Sagittarius dSph as page or Sagittarius dwarf spheroidal galaxy... 129.125.6.1 ( talk) 09:31, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The statement that Sgr dSph is thought to contain as many stars as CMa Dwarf has to be reconciled with the assertion it is calculated at ten thousandth the size of the Milky Way and possibly up to a fiftieth of its mass. But the mass of Sgr dSph estimated here makes it 3 times that of the LMC thus credo to the assertion it contains a fair amount of dark matter. -- Lmstearn ( talk) 04:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Is there a SBH in the center of the Sagittarius Dwarf Spheroidal Galaxy? 2601:580:101:7C0C:449B:9F52:7D8A:7DA ( talk) 16:17, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
No. If there were a SBH, it would be in the nucleus, which is believed to be the globular cluster M54. There is no evidence of a SBH in that cluster; and quite a bit of evidence that there is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:e422:3c01:8d99:693d:6417:6c48 ( talk) 08:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Figures here state SagDEG at 70,000 LY from Earth, with a diameter of 10,000 LY, with "M54 apparently at its core". Yet the article on M54 gives a distance on 87,000 LY, which would put it well beyond the core.
This comment also made on th M54 article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:E448:D401:E8BE:3E5F:C4C2:ACB9 ( talk) 03:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Also, it seems a little difficult to believe that Palomar 12 is "associated" with this galaxy, given that its apparent angular distance is like more than 10 times the major axis of SagDEG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:E448:D401:E8BE:3E5F:C4C2:ACB9 ( talk) 03:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Ruslik0: I noticed that you keep removing an edit related to the formation of star systems in the Milky Way such as the Solar System, based on the research paper and these sources, [3] and [4]. And you even accused the user of "lying" about the sources, what kind of an admin are you?! Have you checked the sources yourself? Or are those sources not reliable to you?! 220.88.115.228 ( talk) 10:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)