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I will be reviewing this article and have my first comments very soon. I still need to read over the article thoroughly. Before I start, though, I noticed that this article is currently assessed as start-class. I'm guessing this assessment is left over from before the article was expanded.
Bneu2013 (
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@ Epicgenius: - Once you finish the references and the other points I added, the article should be good to go. Don't forget about the inflation adjustments, the suggestion I made about including the original projected completion date, and the tense changes for the rescue cages. Bneu2013 ( talk) 03:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
After the 2010 renovation, the cabins were replaced with 110-person vehicles that could independently.- I feel like there's a word missing before "independently".
an elevated terminal on Manhattan.- is this supposed to say "in Manhattan" or "on Manhattan Island"? Is "on Manhattan" commonly recognized to refer to the island, not the borough?
The United States Coast Guard also needed to approve the project because it crossed the East River, a navigable waterway.- reword to something like "The United States Coast Guard also needed to approve the project because it crossed a navigable waterway" or "The United States Coast Guard also needed to approve the project because it crossed a section of the East River that was a navigable waterway." For the last one, if the entire East River is navigable, no need to include "section".
allowing constructionon the tramwayto begin.
Work on the route began in October 1974.- this certainly isn't a necessity, but is the exact date that construction began available? Was there a groundbreaking ceremony or something of sorts?
After the tram was closed in November 1980 for haul cable replacement, the replacement cable fell twice in one monthI suggest changing second use of "replacement" to "new" or something like that.
When the tramway's liability insurance policy expired, the New York State Senate failed to pass a bill allowing the state to self-insure the tramway,- was this the insurance that expired in early 1986 mentioned in the previous paragraph? If so, I suggest moving the word "liability" to this sentence. You could also reword "When the tramway's liability insurance policy expired" in this sentence to "When this occurred".
RIOC fired staff members and installed token machines in an effort to cut costs.- did this occur when the subway opened?
after the damaged cabin was repaired, the tramway reopened after a week.- change last three words to "one week later".
twice as many people used the Roosevelt Island subway station as the tramwaytrue before January 1998?
the cable was 8 feet (2.4 m) too short- I'm guessing this was the initial replacement cable. Suggest elaborating.
Work was delayed because of challenges in bringing a large crane to Roosevelt Islandto "the island", since it is used in the preceding sentence.
The late opening was also attributed to delays in obtaining permits for construction, since it appears that the crane logistics also delayed the project.
The reconstruction of the elevators at the Manhattan terminal was completed in April 2022 for $7 million.- the previous paragraph says the elevators were installed in 2019. Did they have to be constructed after only three years?
Von Roll manufactured the tram and its equipment, and subsidiary VSL installed the equipment. I've removed the info about the cabins, though, as these are mentioned both below and above. Epicgenius ( talk) 01:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
as the bridge is much larger than the tramwayAlso, is there an airport nearby that increases the frequency of low-flying planes in the area?is.
The plaza was created in 1980 and renovated in 2007.- change "created" to "constructed" or "built". Also, this likely belongs in the history section.
The terminal is the equivalent of a six-story structure.- does this only refer to the height of the structure or other characteristics?
The station originally had one elevator for wheelchairs and bicycles,[59][201] which was replaced with two larger elevators in 2022.- again, more information you might want to cover in the history section.
and is located at 300 Main Street.Alternatively: "The terminal on Roosevelt Island is located at 300 Main Street, and abuts the Southtown section of the island."
New cabins were added in 2010here since it is covered in the history section. I suggest removing or rewording as necessary.
As such, both cabins operated during off-peak hours even if there was a lack of demand, and the entire route had to be taken out of service if one cabin broke down.- does this mean that the trams continued to move at all times while in operation, and did not stop to allow passengers to enter or exit, similar to ski lifts?
The cabins are also powered by their own engines.most likely belongs in the new cabins section. Also, what type of engines?
The main drive unit had a 1,700 horsepower (1,300 kW)[229] or 2,000 horsepower (1,500 kW) motor.- reword to something like "The main drive unit had a 1,700 horsepower and a 2,000 horsepower motor." or something appropriate. Also, did both motors run simultaneously or was one a backup? Was one of them part of the auxiliary drive?
The tram is wheelchair accessible, and bicycles are permitted on the tram.- suggest changing second use of "tram" at the end to "cabins".
but it shut down if crosswinds exceeded 40 miles per hour (64 km/h)[232][233] or 45 miles per hour (72 km/h).- is this discrepancy because the sources do not agree on the windspeed that it shut down? If so, consider adding "either" and a footnote about this. If it was a speed between 40 and 45 mph, reword as necessary and combine sources in a footnote that reads "Attributed to multiple references" to avoid excessive citations.
Thunderstorms and lightning could also shut down the route.- I don't suppose you need to mention this, but there is most certainly some kind of grounding system for lightning, right? If you do decide the mention it, the cabling section would probably be the best place.
at the time, most aerial trams in the U.S. served ski resorts.- I'm guessing this is likely still true.
Children who were 5 years old or younger were allowed to ride fare-free until 2010, when RIOC stopped charging fares based on age. Ever since the tramway reopened in 2010, children under 44 inches (1,100 mm) have been allowed to ride fare-free regardless of their age if they are accompanied by a paying adult.- Suggest rewording to "Children who were 5 years old or younger were allowed to ride fare-free until the 2010 closure, when RIOC stopped charging fares based on age. Ever since the tramway reopened, children under 44 inches (1,100 mm) have been allowed to ride fare-free regardless of their age if they are accompanied by a paying adult." Also, were fares determined by age prior to 2010 for other age groups? For example, did seniors get a discount?
By 1989, the year the 63rd Street subway line began serving the island, the tramway saw 5,500 daily riders on average.and
Within a month of the subway's opening, the tram's weekly ridership declined from 35,000 to 20,000., rewording as necessary.
After the renovation was complete, daily ridership increased to 6,000,[176] and annual ridership was about 2.2 million- considering that ridership was at 2 million annually before the closure and renovation, this is not actually a huge increase (2 million a year is about 5,500 a day). I suggest adding an adjective like "slightly" or "modestly" to the sentence.
Other films that have used the tramway as a setting include Spider-Man (2002)[260][263] and Dark Water (2005).- were any scenes actually filmed on the tramway, or just set there?
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on citation 13.|via=newspapers.com
. Is that incorrect?
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without any issue. I wouldn't have an issue with capitalizing it, but if lowercase |via=newspapers.com
is not actually incorrect, I would prefer to use the lowercase version. –
Epicgenius (
talk) 20:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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for citation 141.|issue=
parameter, but nothing is showing up. –
Epicgenius (
talk) 16:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius: - Just a few more comments to address here and the article will pass. Bneu2013 ( talk) 05:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Bneu2013 ( talk · contribs) 08:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
I will be reviewing this article and have my first comments very soon. I still need to read over the article thoroughly. Before I start, though, I noticed that this article is currently assessed as start-class. I'm guessing this assessment is left over from before the article was expanded.
Bneu2013 (
talk) 08:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius: - Once you finish the references and the other points I added, the article should be good to go. Don't forget about the inflation adjustments, the suggestion I made about including the original projected completion date, and the tense changes for the rescue cages. Bneu2013 ( talk) 03:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
After the 2010 renovation, the cabins were replaced with 110-person vehicles that could independently.- I feel like there's a word missing before "independently".
an elevated terminal on Manhattan.- is this supposed to say "in Manhattan" or "on Manhattan Island"? Is "on Manhattan" commonly recognized to refer to the island, not the borough?
The United States Coast Guard also needed to approve the project because it crossed the East River, a navigable waterway.- reword to something like "The United States Coast Guard also needed to approve the project because it crossed a navigable waterway" or "The United States Coast Guard also needed to approve the project because it crossed a section of the East River that was a navigable waterway." For the last one, if the entire East River is navigable, no need to include "section".
allowing constructionon the tramwayto begin.
Work on the route began in October 1974.- this certainly isn't a necessity, but is the exact date that construction began available? Was there a groundbreaking ceremony or something of sorts?
After the tram was closed in November 1980 for haul cable replacement, the replacement cable fell twice in one monthI suggest changing second use of "replacement" to "new" or something like that.
When the tramway's liability insurance policy expired, the New York State Senate failed to pass a bill allowing the state to self-insure the tramway,- was this the insurance that expired in early 1986 mentioned in the previous paragraph? If so, I suggest moving the word "liability" to this sentence. You could also reword "When the tramway's liability insurance policy expired" in this sentence to "When this occurred".
RIOC fired staff members and installed token machines in an effort to cut costs.- did this occur when the subway opened?
after the damaged cabin was repaired, the tramway reopened after a week.- change last three words to "one week later".
twice as many people used the Roosevelt Island subway station as the tramwaytrue before January 1998?
the cable was 8 feet (2.4 m) too short- I'm guessing this was the initial replacement cable. Suggest elaborating.
Work was delayed because of challenges in bringing a large crane to Roosevelt Islandto "the island", since it is used in the preceding sentence.
The late opening was also attributed to delays in obtaining permits for construction, since it appears that the crane logistics also delayed the project.
The reconstruction of the elevators at the Manhattan terminal was completed in April 2022 for $7 million.- the previous paragraph says the elevators were installed in 2019. Did they have to be constructed after only three years?
Von Roll manufactured the tram and its equipment, and subsidiary VSL installed the equipment. I've removed the info about the cabins, though, as these are mentioned both below and above. Epicgenius ( talk) 01:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
as the bridge is much larger than the tramwayAlso, is there an airport nearby that increases the frequency of low-flying planes in the area?is.
The plaza was created in 1980 and renovated in 2007.- change "created" to "constructed" or "built". Also, this likely belongs in the history section.
The terminal is the equivalent of a six-story structure.- does this only refer to the height of the structure or other characteristics?
The station originally had one elevator for wheelchairs and bicycles,[59][201] which was replaced with two larger elevators in 2022.- again, more information you might want to cover in the history section.
and is located at 300 Main Street.Alternatively: "The terminal on Roosevelt Island is located at 300 Main Street, and abuts the Southtown section of the island."
New cabins were added in 2010here since it is covered in the history section. I suggest removing or rewording as necessary.
As such, both cabins operated during off-peak hours even if there was a lack of demand, and the entire route had to be taken out of service if one cabin broke down.- does this mean that the trams continued to move at all times while in operation, and did not stop to allow passengers to enter or exit, similar to ski lifts?
The cabins are also powered by their own engines.most likely belongs in the new cabins section. Also, what type of engines?
The main drive unit had a 1,700 horsepower (1,300 kW)[229] or 2,000 horsepower (1,500 kW) motor.- reword to something like "The main drive unit had a 1,700 horsepower and a 2,000 horsepower motor." or something appropriate. Also, did both motors run simultaneously or was one a backup? Was one of them part of the auxiliary drive?
The tram is wheelchair accessible, and bicycles are permitted on the tram.- suggest changing second use of "tram" at the end to "cabins".
but it shut down if crosswinds exceeded 40 miles per hour (64 km/h)[232][233] or 45 miles per hour (72 km/h).- is this discrepancy because the sources do not agree on the windspeed that it shut down? If so, consider adding "either" and a footnote about this. If it was a speed between 40 and 45 mph, reword as necessary and combine sources in a footnote that reads "Attributed to multiple references" to avoid excessive citations.
Thunderstorms and lightning could also shut down the route.- I don't suppose you need to mention this, but there is most certainly some kind of grounding system for lightning, right? If you do decide the mention it, the cabling section would probably be the best place.
at the time, most aerial trams in the U.S. served ski resorts.- I'm guessing this is likely still true.
Children who were 5 years old or younger were allowed to ride fare-free until 2010, when RIOC stopped charging fares based on age. Ever since the tramway reopened in 2010, children under 44 inches (1,100 mm) have been allowed to ride fare-free regardless of their age if they are accompanied by a paying adult.- Suggest rewording to "Children who were 5 years old or younger were allowed to ride fare-free until the 2010 closure, when RIOC stopped charging fares based on age. Ever since the tramway reopened, children under 44 inches (1,100 mm) have been allowed to ride fare-free regardless of their age if they are accompanied by a paying adult." Also, were fares determined by age prior to 2010 for other age groups? For example, did seniors get a discount?
By 1989, the year the 63rd Street subway line began serving the island, the tramway saw 5,500 daily riders on average.and
Within a month of the subway's opening, the tram's weekly ridership declined from 35,000 to 20,000., rewording as necessary.
After the renovation was complete, daily ridership increased to 6,000,[176] and annual ridership was about 2.2 million- considering that ridership was at 2 million annually before the closure and renovation, this is not actually a huge increase (2 million a year is about 5,500 a day). I suggest adding an adjective like "slightly" or "modestly" to the sentence.
Other films that have used the tramway as a setting include Spider-Man (2002)[260][263] and Dark Water (2005).- were any scenes actually filmed on the tramway, or just set there?
|via=TimesMachine
on citation 13.|via=newspapers.com
. Is that incorrect?
|via=newspapers.com
without any issue. I wouldn't have an issue with capitalizing it, but if lowercase |via=newspapers.com
is not actually incorrect, I would prefer to use the lowercase version. –
Epicgenius (
talk) 20:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
|via=Google Books
for citations 25, 59, 104, 191, 223, and 226.|agency=United Press International
to citations 47, 82, and 90.|via=
parameter, add volume and issue to citation 59.|agency=Associated Press
for citation 141.|issue=
parameter, but nothing is showing up. –
Epicgenius (
talk) 16:57, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius: - Just a few more comments to address here and the article will pass. Bneu2013 ( talk) 05:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)