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There was an article named Sergeant Robert Bales. It has been deleted by now, but you can still take a look at it via Google Cache. See here. I haven't read it, but thought I'd drop a note, just in case it contains some valuable information that is not included in this article, yet. ( Lord Gøn ( talk) 23:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC))
The article says Bales was charged on March 22. The news stories I saw said he would be charged on March 23. See:
Sca ( talk) 12:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
If he suffered injuries to his foot and a traumatic brain injury while deployed, why is the purple heart not listed among his medals? Was he never awarded it or is its omission from the medal list an error? - Mike Payne ( T • C) 23:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't really understand why there should be a Wikipedia article on this person. His only real notability seems to be as the alleged perpetrator of the Kandahar massacre. My understanding of Wikipedia policy is that there should not need to be an article on Bales, just as there is no article on Adam Lanza of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Michael Kenneth McLendon of the Geneva County massacre, or Jiverly Wong of the Binghamton shootings. (On the other hand, I notice that there are articles for James Eagan Holmes of the 2012 Aurora shooting, Martin Bryant of the Port Arthur massacre, and Anders Behring Breivik of the 2011 Norway attacks.) — BarrelProof ( talk) 17:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
The sources in the article and online are suggesting he's at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, not Leavenworth. The trial is at Lewis-McChord, and he was at the trial so I think that information is just out of date. - Sudo Ghost 04:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The article states that Bales was found liable of fraud, complete with a reference citation. Thus, should the category "Category:American fraudsters" be added to the article in light of this?
Illegitimate Barrister (
talk) 13:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
As part of the court-martial proceedings, Bales was reduced in rank to E-1, forfeited all pay and benefits, dishonorably discharged, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Because of the dishonorable discharge (which is routine in cases like this), he is no longer a soldier but instead a federal prison inmate. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 12:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Is this sufficient to say he is Christian? It's an opinion piece. Biosthmors ( talk) 22:34, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
I find the following a bit hard to believe: "The Bales family was struggling financially and had put its home up for sale three days before the shootings.[48] The property was listed for $229,000, approximately $50,000 less than what they paid for it in 2005, and less than what they owed the bank."
Someone recently deleted his awards list, claiming he lost them along with the rest of his status. While this definitely can happen (and officially should), I can't find anything explicitly saying it did in this case. Regardless, the list should stay, because history doesn't cease to exist, but a "Revoked" note would be appropriate, if a source is found saying as much. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
@ BabbaQ:, @ InedibleHulk: Sorry for bringing up an almost year-old discussion but this edit brought my attention to it. Army Regulation 600-8-22 (PDF) says that "Award of badges may be revoked under any of the following conditions..Combat or special skill badge. An award of any combat or special skill badge will be automatically revoked on dismissal, dishonorable discharge, or conviction by courts-martial for desertion in wartime (wartime is defined in the glossary)." That regulation says that it's automatic upon a condition that Bales met when he was dishonorably discharged [1]. Should this be mentioned in the awards and decorations section, or is that not a sufficient source? - Aoidh ( talk) 04:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Robert Bales's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "NYT":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm new to editing Wikipedia so probably shouldn't be the one to fix this article, but I couldn't help noticing some major problems with it. The article relies heavily on source 2 ( https://www.military.com/daily-news/opinions/2021/01/04/president-trump-must-act-behalf-of-robert-bales-and-other-convicted-warfighters.html) and does a poor job of distinguishing between opinion and fact in that article. I have no problem with this opinion piece existing to advocate for Bales, and I am no expert on the case, but reading it makes it obvious that it isn't balanced or unbiased enough to form the backbone of a Wikipedia article.
Clearly someone who likes Bales edited this article at some point with the goal of making him look better. I think either everything from source 2 should be removed or changed to make clear that it is an opinion piece. It calls him a "warfighter" for crying out loud.
I agree with this note, and have made significant changes to this article to reflect the issue. I removed the totally unsourced material and condensed the lengthy passages based exclusively on this source. If others take issue with these edits, please send me a message here or on my Talk page so we can find consensus. Sammytwiki ( talk) 08:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
"After being arrested, Bales sought out attorney John Henry Browne, well known in Washington state for reducing his clients' potentially hefty prison sentences and representing Ted Bundy in court".--Vanity mention? Please remove hefty speculation and vanity mention. 46.15.97.214 ( talk) 18:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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There was an article named Sergeant Robert Bales. It has been deleted by now, but you can still take a look at it via Google Cache. See here. I haven't read it, but thought I'd drop a note, just in case it contains some valuable information that is not included in this article, yet. ( Lord Gøn ( talk) 23:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC))
The article says Bales was charged on March 22. The news stories I saw said he would be charged on March 23. See:
Sca ( talk) 12:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
If he suffered injuries to his foot and a traumatic brain injury while deployed, why is the purple heart not listed among his medals? Was he never awarded it or is its omission from the medal list an error? - Mike Payne ( T • C) 23:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't really understand why there should be a Wikipedia article on this person. His only real notability seems to be as the alleged perpetrator of the Kandahar massacre. My understanding of Wikipedia policy is that there should not need to be an article on Bales, just as there is no article on Adam Lanza of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Michael Kenneth McLendon of the Geneva County massacre, or Jiverly Wong of the Binghamton shootings. (On the other hand, I notice that there are articles for James Eagan Holmes of the 2012 Aurora shooting, Martin Bryant of the Port Arthur massacre, and Anders Behring Breivik of the 2011 Norway attacks.) — BarrelProof ( talk) 17:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
The sources in the article and online are suggesting he's at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, not Leavenworth. The trial is at Lewis-McChord, and he was at the trial so I think that information is just out of date. - Sudo Ghost 04:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The article states that Bales was found liable of fraud, complete with a reference citation. Thus, should the category "Category:American fraudsters" be added to the article in light of this?
Illegitimate Barrister (
talk) 13:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
As part of the court-martial proceedings, Bales was reduced in rank to E-1, forfeited all pay and benefits, dishonorably discharged, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Because of the dishonorable discharge (which is routine in cases like this), he is no longer a soldier but instead a federal prison inmate. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 12:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Is this sufficient to say he is Christian? It's an opinion piece. Biosthmors ( talk) 22:34, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
I find the following a bit hard to believe: "The Bales family was struggling financially and had put its home up for sale three days before the shootings.[48] The property was listed for $229,000, approximately $50,000 less than what they paid for it in 2005, and less than what they owed the bank."
Someone recently deleted his awards list, claiming he lost them along with the rest of his status. While this definitely can happen (and officially should), I can't find anything explicitly saying it did in this case. Regardless, the list should stay, because history doesn't cease to exist, but a "Revoked" note would be appropriate, if a source is found saying as much. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
@ BabbaQ:, @ InedibleHulk: Sorry for bringing up an almost year-old discussion but this edit brought my attention to it. Army Regulation 600-8-22 (PDF) says that "Award of badges may be revoked under any of the following conditions..Combat or special skill badge. An award of any combat or special skill badge will be automatically revoked on dismissal, dishonorable discharge, or conviction by courts-martial for desertion in wartime (wartime is defined in the glossary)." That regulation says that it's automatic upon a condition that Bales met when he was dishonorably discharged [1]. Should this be mentioned in the awards and decorations section, or is that not a sufficient source? - Aoidh ( talk) 04:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Robert Bales's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "NYT":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm new to editing Wikipedia so probably shouldn't be the one to fix this article, but I couldn't help noticing some major problems with it. The article relies heavily on source 2 ( https://www.military.com/daily-news/opinions/2021/01/04/president-trump-must-act-behalf-of-robert-bales-and-other-convicted-warfighters.html) and does a poor job of distinguishing between opinion and fact in that article. I have no problem with this opinion piece existing to advocate for Bales, and I am no expert on the case, but reading it makes it obvious that it isn't balanced or unbiased enough to form the backbone of a Wikipedia article.
Clearly someone who likes Bales edited this article at some point with the goal of making him look better. I think either everything from source 2 should be removed or changed to make clear that it is an opinion piece. It calls him a "warfighter" for crying out loud.
I agree with this note, and have made significant changes to this article to reflect the issue. I removed the totally unsourced material and condensed the lengthy passages based exclusively on this source. If others take issue with these edits, please send me a message here or on my Talk page so we can find consensus. Sammytwiki ( talk) 08:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
"After being arrested, Bales sought out attorney John Henry Browne, well known in Washington state for reducing his clients' potentially hefty prison sentences and representing Ted Bundy in court".--Vanity mention? Please remove hefty speculation and vanity mention. 46.15.97.214 ( talk) 18:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)