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Hi folks, I've just noticed this article doesn't talk about the movie adaptations of Heinlein's writings. I don't know how many there are, but I know Predestination (2014) and Starship Troopers (1997) are of the lot.
MonsieurD (
talk) 20:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Destination Moon was the first one, as I recall. Heinlein has written about his experience as a technical consultant with that one.
sbelknap (
talk) 03:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Heinlein also shares screenwriting credits for Project Moonbase.
I've added these two to the new Movies section; are there other films for which Heinlein made direct contributions? The adaptations of his written works to film are in the separate Heinlein bibliography article. The new section links to the bibliography article, where I've added the missing IMDb links.
sbelknap (
talk) 22:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Military-controlled government
The statement "Space Cadet describes a future scenario where a military-controlled global government enforces world peace." seems inaccurate. There is no suggestion that the government is controlled by the military (the Space Patrol). The government is never mentioned. The only accurate statement is that the Space Patrol has a duty, presumably to a government but that is only an inference, to enforce peace. I think this statement should be changed.
Zaslav (
talk) 21:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply
The
source for that para says "In his 1949 novel Space Cadet, Heinlein depicts a future where peace is preserved through a global government controlled by the military.".
Schazjmd(talk) 21:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply
So you agree that the description should not be changed, then, since a change would rely on
original research? —C.Fred (
talk) 11:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Again, what secondary source has presented an analysis of the novel counter to National Review's? —C.Fred (
talk) 11:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
"Diane Parkin-Speer suggests that Heinlein's intent seems more to provoke the reader and to question sexual norms than to promote any particular sexual agenda"
This is a topic worth expounding on - I have no source but it seems that on a wide range of topics, not just sexual mores, RAH's incessant pontification via his protagonists could at least equally well be viewed as provocation (or perhaps just making the piece interesting and lively enough to sell) as it could be taken as a political act per se. The point seems germane as various groups like to claim RAH as their ideological champion.
2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167 (
talk) 09:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Big Three -Vandalism
The Big Three are, according to Brian W. Aldiss in Billion Year Spree, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke and Ray Bradbury. Robert A. Heinlein never was one of them, this claim is "alternative facts" and this vandalism doesn't seem to be recent. Please correct.
2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6 (
talk) 15:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I finally got hold of a copy of Billion Year Spree. I cannot find the phrase "big three" anywhere in the book. I looked up each mention of Bradbury in the book, and it is never paired with Asimov and Clarke in any meaningful way. Do you have a page number for your reference?
Schazjmd(talk) 19:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Original research and opinion in article
While generally a good article, with lots of details, the article does seem to include a lot of unsourced opinions about Heinlein's inspirations and evaluations of his work. All opinions need to be attributed to reliable sources (random fan websites do not count). I'm going to start cleaning it up. If you feel stronly about any of it, let's discuss it here.
Ashmoo (
talk) 13:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This is the
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broad consensus.
Robert A. Heinlein is a
former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check
the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
Competent man was nominated for
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The discussion was closed on 1 November 2023 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were
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Hi folks, I've just noticed this article doesn't talk about the movie adaptations of Heinlein's writings. I don't know how many there are, but I know Predestination (2014) and Starship Troopers (1997) are of the lot.
MonsieurD (
talk) 20:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Destination Moon was the first one, as I recall. Heinlein has written about his experience as a technical consultant with that one.
sbelknap (
talk) 03:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Heinlein also shares screenwriting credits for Project Moonbase.
I've added these two to the new Movies section; are there other films for which Heinlein made direct contributions? The adaptations of his written works to film are in the separate Heinlein bibliography article. The new section links to the bibliography article, where I've added the missing IMDb links.
sbelknap (
talk) 22:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Military-controlled government
The statement "Space Cadet describes a future scenario where a military-controlled global government enforces world peace." seems inaccurate. There is no suggestion that the government is controlled by the military (the Space Patrol). The government is never mentioned. The only accurate statement is that the Space Patrol has a duty, presumably to a government but that is only an inference, to enforce peace. I think this statement should be changed.
Zaslav (
talk) 21:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply
The
source for that para says "In his 1949 novel Space Cadet, Heinlein depicts a future where peace is preserved through a global government controlled by the military.".
Schazjmd(talk) 21:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply
So you agree that the description should not be changed, then, since a change would rely on
original research? —C.Fred (
talk) 11:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Again, what secondary source has presented an analysis of the novel counter to National Review's? —C.Fred (
talk) 11:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
"Diane Parkin-Speer suggests that Heinlein's intent seems more to provoke the reader and to question sexual norms than to promote any particular sexual agenda"
This is a topic worth expounding on - I have no source but it seems that on a wide range of topics, not just sexual mores, RAH's incessant pontification via his protagonists could at least equally well be viewed as provocation (or perhaps just making the piece interesting and lively enough to sell) as it could be taken as a political act per se. The point seems germane as various groups like to claim RAH as their ideological champion.
2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:1508:FC82:66CC:D167 (
talk) 09:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Big Three -Vandalism
The Big Three are, according to Brian W. Aldiss in Billion Year Spree, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke and Ray Bradbury. Robert A. Heinlein never was one of them, this claim is "alternative facts" and this vandalism doesn't seem to be recent. Please correct.
2001:7E8:C29C:2400:983E:960F:67FC:EB6 (
talk) 15:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I finally got hold of a copy of Billion Year Spree. I cannot find the phrase "big three" anywhere in the book. I looked up each mention of Bradbury in the book, and it is never paired with Asimov and Clarke in any meaningful way. Do you have a page number for your reference?
Schazjmd(talk) 19:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Original research and opinion in article
While generally a good article, with lots of details, the article does seem to include a lot of unsourced opinions about Heinlein's inspirations and evaluations of his work. All opinions need to be attributed to reliable sources (random fan websites do not count). I'm going to start cleaning it up. If you feel stronly about any of it, let's discuss it here.
Ashmoo (
talk) 13:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)reply